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[Kevin Shields]

You got a gorgeous console and some of the greatest gameplay. Let that be your memory.

This game will get more cherished as time goes on cause of its replay and more divisive cause people will finish the Long ass game.

Amazing game and one of the best I've played in years but if they cut ten missions out and left out some of the lazy crap... Man it could have been unrivaled.

 

[Salsa]

for real tho that was just god damn terrible

I still have this face :|

 

[Nemesis_]

why is everybody so good looking

 

[ShockingAlberto]

why is everybody so good looking

Because I try hard.

 

[Plasma]

for real tho that was just god damn terrible

I still have this face :|

You aren't the only one go back through this thread I feel like everyone has come in here from the OT to post something similar when they finished it.

 

[ElFly]

The way I understood the ending, is that OG Big Boss is just giving Phantom Big Boss a heads-up that he is sending Solid Snake, the rookiest of his soldiers so Outer Heaven can attract the attention of the patriots.

But turns out Solid just wtfpwns Outer Heaven so Phantom dies.

OG BB wasn't really planing on sacrificing Phantom; obvs it is not exactly the safest job, but from the point of view of BB, there was a good chance Venom would live to take Outer Heaven into glory.

 

[Salsa]

You aren't the only one go back through this thread I feel like everyone has come in here from the OT to post something similar when they finished it.

that at least makes me glad

i've already seen a few cases of people just goin nuts over not expecting the twist or something

even tho if you think about it for 2 seconds you realize there's just no need / it makes no sense other than to try to be clever and I guess justify BB dying on Metal Gear

game doesnt have an ending basically, it has a stupid pointless twist and the game just loves itself for it which is just cringey

that BB smirk at the end made me lose it. felt like kojima jerking off

 

[Robot Pants]

Best I could do, there seems to be no better stock to use.

;__;7

*salute*

 

[ShockingAlberto]

The way I understood the ending, is that OG Big Boss is just giving Phantom Big Boss a heads-up that he is sending Solid Snake, the rookiest of his soldiers so Outer Heaven can attract the attention of the patriots.

But turns out Solid just wtfpwns Outer Heaven so Phantom dies.

OG BB wasn't really planing on sacrificing Phantom; obvs it is not exactly the safest job, but from the point of view of BB, there was a good chance Venom would live to take Outer Heaven into glory.

He wasn't necessarily planning on it, but he had to know there was a good chance Snake would succeed. He's his son, he was trained by both Big Boss and Miller (and I doubt they trained him wrong because it would be funny), he was putting Venom at risk to save his own skin.

This is pretty different from his "Soldiers without people giving them bad orders" utopia he imagined.

 

[Prototype]

I'm playing a new file with the ending on mind.

So if I have this straight, Ocelot knows Venom is a phantom, and Millet doesn't learn this until post game.

 

[WrenchNinja]

I'm playing a new file with the ending on mind.

So if I have this straight, Ocelot knows Venom is a phantom, and Millet doesn't learn this until post game.

Ocelot hypnotises himself to believe the medic is Big Boss but not enough to completely forget that he's not the real Big Boss so he can still report to the real Big Boss

 

[ramyeon]

I'm going to be the odd one out and say that I liked the ending.

 

[Salsa]

so I guess we're all forgivin mute kiefer cause of the ending considering real BB doesnt shut up during the intro huh

I dont buy it

 

[ElFly]

He wasn't necessarily planning on it, but he had to know there was a good chance Snake would succeed. He's his son, he was trained by both Big Boss and Miller (and I doubt they trained him wrong because it would be funny), he was putting Venom at risk to save his own skin.

This is pretty different from his "Soldiers without people giving them bad orders" utopia he imagined.

Haven't played MG1 but wiki implies BB is giving bad data to Solid.

So if he was sending anyone to die in a fucked up mission it was Solid, not Venom.

 

[Salsa]

im baffled at the missed hayter

how do you not get hayter to read those lines as original BB during the redo of the intro

that shit would have made me forgive this whole thing a lot more

 

[UrbanRats]

My favourite part is that it still has all the tutorial prompts.

It's clear they fucking rushed this game out the door.

 

[Resilient]

im baffled at the missed hayter

how do you not get hayter to read those lines as original BB during the redo of the intro

that shit would have made me forgive this whole thing a lot more

Fucking exactly. After the shit performance from Keifer 89% of the time you would think, it has to be for a reason but nah breh we just wanted to fuck over the most defining VA of our generation.

 

[Prototype]

Ocelot hypnotises himself to believe the medic is Big Boss but not enough to completely forget that he's not the real Big Boss so he can still report to the real Big Boss

Lol, OK I remember that from the tapes, but they way you explain it makes it sound so silly.

Ya he hypnotizes himself but leaves a hole so he can remember later when he needs too. OK.

Just trying to keep everything in mind as I play through again. Sometimes a second play through /viewing can put things on perspective.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

It wasn't a shit performance.

"I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea" I can't imagine Hayter saying this the way it's meant.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Haven't played MG1 but wiki implies BB is giving bad data to Solid.

So if he was sending anyone to die in a fucked up mission it was Solid, not Venom.

It's not that binary. Big Boss put Venom in a situation where he was likely to die, even if he tried some stuff to prevent it. He had forgotten everything he learned from Boss' sacrifice.

It wasn't "I want him to die here," it's "It sucks that he died here, but"

 

[Chariot]

Lol, OK I remember that from the tapes, but they way you explain it makes it sound so silly.

Ya he hypnotizes himself but leaves a hole so he can remember later when he needs too. OK.

Just trying to keep everything in mind as I play through again. Sometimes a second play through /viewing can put things on perspective.

More like a trigger thay makes him remwmbwr, which seems reasonable. At some point he should want to remember it again.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

It wasn't a shit performance.

"I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea" I can't imagine Hayter saying this the way it's meant.

Hayter would say it like I interpreted it, someone saying it as if they're becoming a fucking crazy person.

 

[UrbanRats]

IIRC the game was suppose to have multiple open worlds like Afghanistan and Africa, but it was cut. I believe it was suppose to have Latin America and some arctic area.

That also would explain why one of the suits mentions "temperature isolation" (or something like that) as one of the features

 

[Bumhead]

im baffled at the missed hayter

how do you not get hayter to read those lines as original BB during the redo of the intro

that shit would have made me forgive this whole thing a lot more

I thought the same. But Hayter reading out those first lines as "bandaged up dude" would have telegraphed the "OMG TWIST" more than it already was.

EDIT: sorry, noticed you specified the redo.

In that case, agreed.

 

[WrenchNinja]

More like a trigger thay makes him remwmbwr, which seems reasonable. At some point he should want to remember it again.

It only sounds reasonable by mgs4 logic

 

[BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!]

I'm glad Hayter didn't do VA for this disgrace of a story.

Fake Big Boss deserves a fake voice actor.

 

[Salsa]

I thought the same. But Hayter reading out those first lines as "bandaged up dude" would have telegraphed the "OMG TWIST" more than it already was.

I mean you get the photo reveal before real BB talks

edit: ah gotcha, saw the edit

I'm glad Hayter didn't do VA for this disgrace of a story.

Fake Big Boss deserves a fake voice actor.

im glad too. I just mean him doing the real BB at the end

like, it even feels like it was setting up to that

 

[ShockingAlberto]

In what context does the Truth mission happen, anyway?

Like, were you brainwashed the first time you played it? And the second time was you just happening to remember how it really happened?

 

[War Peaceman]

Huey is the worst. At least getting cucked to death by his own kid is a fitting end for such a shithead.

Edit: While I say that I don't think Huey's stuff is badly written. Sure he's a miserable little weasel who cannot stop lying but when he finally gets cornered the stuff he says about Diamond Dogs is true, I liked him comparing them to D.D. saying that they call him a dog but anyone can see that he is a just a wolf. Him pointing out the odd cultish mentality they have around Big Boss (who isn't even the real Big Boss) works, it's good to have that kind of character I guess.

Huey was a really interesting character. I thought throughout that he was going to be innocent all along, mainly because the raging asshole that is Master Kaz Benny Miller was constantly berating and suspecting him. That he was actually behind at least some of the bad things was interesting - the Strangelove stuff is particularly grim - and it is nice that some of it is left vague. I still don't know if the inspection plan was his doing, it probably was, but the evidence presented is not concrete which is good and surprising for a Kojima game.

In what context does the Truth mission happen, anyway?

Like, were you brainwashed the first time you played it? And the second time was you just happening to remember how it really happened?

This is what confused me. I like the idea of revisiting the original mission; there is nice symmetry to it and I do like the reveal by and large. I think it is interesting that a legendary soldier can be created in such a way(and links back to Raiden in a strange way). However there is literally no connection between that mission occurring and the preceding moments. There is nothing that triggers him beginning to doubt his own identity.

 

[Chariot]

In what context does the Truth mission happen, anyway?

Like, were you brainwashed the first time you played it? And the second time was you just happening to remember how it really happened?

The context is "Fuck, fuck, we have no time to finish the ending, quick do a new scene with Ocelot and Big Boss and just trash it into the intro level. Fuuuuuck"

 

[The Dear Leader]

I thought Kiefer was a great choice, I always thought it was weird that Big Boss and Solid Snake had the same voice but Liquid and Solidus didn't. Even though David Hayter was great as both, having a unique voice for each character is cool I think.

 

[Salsa]

I aint even care that Kiefer was already the real BB in GZ

I'll stick to my much better hayter-was-always-real-BB-and-kief-is-player easter egg / canon dammit

 

[War Peaceman]

They really should have done the whole 'invade the motherbase with Solid Snake and confront Big Boss' that everyone was hoping for. It would have been really cheap to do.

 

[Dombrowski]

I'm going to be the odd one out and say that I liked the ending.

I loved it. Fuck giving you answers or whatever. Kojima wanted me to be the Big Boss of his last MGS, as my favorite franchise that hit me hard and was WAY more powerful than what people wanted, "Hey guys you were right, it was Grey Fox all along" or "Hey now you play as Solid Snake and you kill Big Boss kthxbye."

 

[Kenzodielocke]

David Hayter is Solid Snake, he never was Big Boss for me. It should've been another voice actor from the start.

 

[Salsa]

im surprised there wasnt a dumb scene involving Eli and Ocelot talking about arms

 

[funkystudent]

Does Keifer ever even respond to someone with "metal gear?" In this game?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I aint even care that Kiefer was already the real BB in GZ

I'll stick to my much better hayter easter egg / canon dammit

It would have been good, but Hayter and Kojima seem to legitimately dislike each other now. It's easy to see how both took what happened personally.

I can actually see it from Kojima's perspective - he had this opportunity to work with a movie star, from TV and films he's really liked, of course he'll do whatever it takes! Then when Hayter got all mad about it publicly and aired his dirty laundry, Kojima was likely incredibly upset. That was some class A bridge burning right there.

At the same time, Hayter was likely equally unhappy with Kojima's lies about it. Kojima kept insisting Big Boss needed a new voice actor, but kept the same voice in Japanese. He was transparently starfucking and Hayter was the one to lose out because of it and Kojima wouldn't even be honest about it.

Also I think Hayter's comparison of MGS5 as "New Coke" might have been scarily accurate.

 

[War Peaceman]

I loved it. Fuck giving you answers or whatever. Kojima wanted me to be the Big Boss of his last MGS, as my favorite franchise that hit me hard and was WAY more powerful than what people wanted, "Hey guys you were right, it was Grey Fox all along" or "Hey now you play as Solid Snake and you kill Big Boss kthxbye."

I liked the ending too, but don't you think that by making the player Big Boss as a celebration it completely undermines everything about Raiden and his role as a player avatar in the end of MGS2?

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Does Keifer ever even respond to someone with "metal gear?" In this game?

"Afghanistan?"

 

[Palpable]

David Hayter is Solid Snake, he never was Big Boss for me. It should've been another voice actor from the start.

MGS3 is still the best regardless of this.

 

[Salsa]

I loved it. Fuck giving you answers or whatever. Kojima wanted me to be the Big Boss of his last MGS, as my favorite franchise that hit me hard and was WAY more powerful than what people wanted, "Hey guys you were right, it was Grey Fox all along" or "Hey now you play as Solid Snake and you kill Big Boss kthxbye."

what the hell was powerful about it

the YOU are big boss part? it aint even an ending, and it's not you, its the guy from GZ

regardless that comment alone makes me think you were gonna love it no matter what happened, man

 

[Chariot]

I loved it. Fuck giving you answers or whatever. Kojima wanted me to be the Big Boss of his last MGS, as my favorite franchise that hit me hard and was WAY more powerful than what people wanted, "Hey guys you were right, it was Grey Fox all along" or "Hey now you play as Solid Snake and you kill Big Boss kthnxbye."

Putting the idea aside, the execution of the game was horrible. I watched UP shortly after MGSV and it crushed me how well it was constructed, how everything fit together, every scene and detail had a purpose while MGSV keeps losing threads left and right and don't develop characters. Stuff just happens.

 

[NinjamicWZ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wi-vcO_Bho

 

[Misterinenja]

What about Richard Doyle?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I loved it. Fuck giving you answers or whatever. Kojima wanted me to be the Big Boss of his last MGS, as my favorite franchise that hit me hard and was WAY more powerful than what people wanted, "Hey guys you were right, it was Grey Fox all along" or "Hey now you play as Solid Snake and you kill Big Boss kthxbye."

Literally all I wanted from the ending was connective tissue and wrapping up storylines this that this game introduced.

The endgame didn't really do any of that. I really wish people would stop trying to position people who disagree with them about an ending to a video game as just being petulant whiners that wanted fanservice scenes.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Literally all I wanted from the ending was connective tissue and wrapping up storylines this that this game introduced.

The endgame didn't really do any of that. I really wish people would stop trying to position people who disagree with them about an ending to a video game as just being petulant whiners that wanted fanservice scenes.

It's basically the mass effect 3 defense

 

[Palpable]

I loved it. Fuck giving you answers or whatever. Kojima wanted me to be the Big Boss of his last MGS, as my favorite franchise that hit me hard and was WAY more powerful than what people wanted, "Hey guys you were right, it was Grey Fox all along" or "Hey now you play as Solid Snake and you kill Big Boss kthxbye."

We already were Big Boss in MGS3, PW, and GZ. Him adding a vessel/shell of a character and putting Big Boss' face over him & saying "k it's u gaiz ur big boss lel" is fucking retarded. It didn't connect shit. It raised more questions than answers. It makes the real triple OG Big Boss less of a character because he suddenly has a 'double'. Fuck that.

 

[aly]

I loved it. Fuck giving you answers or whatever. Kojima wanted me to be the Big Boss of his last MGS, as my favorite franchise that hit me hard and was WAY more powerful than what people wanted, "Hey guys you were right, it was Grey Fox all along" or "Hey now you play as Solid Snake and you kill Big Boss kthxbye."

Except it wasn't you. I mean the medic is a character still. Just a mostly mute one. I did'nt want for some super fan service blow out , just good answers. As it was, this game gave me neither of those. Just more questions.

 

[Alec]

The big tragedy of Venom Snake is Big Boss essentially gave him a mission where he'd inevitably be killed.

He Boss'd his own soldier.

I didn't even consider this angle. This would've been so cool to put some emphasis on rather than how it just feels like a happy coincidence.