Good for you, I hated that about GZ. If I want to have fun, I replay the mission and try something new, but during my first playthrough I want to be challenged and I do NOT want to know how to move and where soldiers are placed, I want the feeling I had the first time I sneaked in that location, you know, that excitement you get because you're afraid to be spotted at any time and you don't know where to hide if shit goes down.
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Good for you, I hated that about GZ. If I want to have fun, I replay the mission and try something new, but during my first playthrough I want to be challenged and I do NOT want to know how to move and where soldiers are placed, I want the feeling I had the first time I sneaked in that location, you know, that excitement you get because you're afraid to be spotted at any time and you don't know where to hide if shit goes down.
Moon_frogger
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even if this is true.......mgsv has far more locations to explore than any other metal gear game. so really....you got to experience that feeling many more times than you did in any other metal gear game before it. like.....what are you even complaining about now?
KOMANI
KOMANI
Right. Everything is up to the player.
You want a story? Grind it out.
You want a challenge? Adjust the sliders.
You want you "epic" metal gear moments? Pop is a cassette tape and go for it.
Everything is up to you, but what's given to us is a game that makes it very easy even at the highest difficulty. S ranks? No problem, just don't take too long. Fox Hound emblem? Hey you got it... For this mission.
Grinchy
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Yeah this was definitely the weirdest part of the game for me. I don't know what the hell they were thinking on this one.
They should have just let Skully finish the last few lines and then cut away to them arriving.
Moon_frogger
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hahaha ok, sure. I'd like to see you s rank every missions perfect stealth with all the markers off, no reflex, no supply drops or buddies, etc. I mean, you can probably just claim that you've done it and if you did, fine. You're a gaming god. congratulations, I wish I could be that skilled.
Soliton Pacman
Enemies that can't hear you and just barely see you
MGS1 in particular can be played very recklessly in a way that simply won't cut it in any of the later installments. The hardest parts of the game are resisting Ocelot's torture and the fight against Rex. The latter is probably harder than anything you encounter in MGSV, but it's just one boss fight. When it comes to the moment to moment stealth mechanics, navigating through the environments and avoiding detection, MGSV is a lot more demanding.
Haunted
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For an interesting take on this, watch some Let's Plays of the prologue and notice how many players shoot the Man on Fire with the Uzi during the scene before he's hit with an ambulance, even though it's well established at that point that he's not hurt by bullets.
I've watched like 10 people play through it and only one person other than myself didn't shoot at all. Let them watch a cutscene and they'll remark how stupid these people are, shooting uselessly - give them a gun and a target and exert some pressure (like, say, making them feel helpless while a big fucking Human Torch comes waltzing their way) and they'll fall into the same "trap".
Not saying you did, just pointing it out.
KOMANI
KOMANI
You are that skilled... You find MGS3 and 4 easier games. Only a skilled player would think that.
ShockingAlberto
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I probably died more in any other MGS game than MGSV. I could just be better now or the game could be easier.
I think on the whole it's easier, with occasional spikes from bad design (Mission 45).
I think on the whole it's easier, with occasional spikes from bad design (Mission 45).
They were thinking "Kyle Cooper gave us a $20 intro that barely used Sins of the Father, we have to use that song somewhere".
I'm probably off base but that scene reminded me of Breaking Bad. The action itself isn't original for movies but the themes surrounding the game and Breaking Bad are somewhat similar so I feel like Kojima just used it from Breaking Bad. I also got the same feeling when Kaz and Venom spare Skull Face. Kaz says a very similar line to what Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad says in its finale. Also Kojima loves Breaking Bad.
The level design is pretty brilliant in how you can take your sweet time scouting from afar but there will still be enemies you don't anticipate behind blind spots, etc. I generally find that there are twice as many troops as I can mark from outside, as well as extra pathways and hiding spots you can't see from the outside. I think the level design strikes a good balance between the player figuring them out from afar but still running into unexpected moments during infiltration. And there's such incredible variety. Like the one place in Africa with the boardwalks and tiki torches over the swamp, or the mining quarry and caves, or the mansion nestled in a two-pronged river valley. Just a strong sense of place with so many ways things can play out.
KOMANI
KOMANI
Awesome... Those options aren't awarded to the player in previous installments. It makes the game easier for casual players.
You guys are very insecure, because I never said these are bad things. I said, and stand by, MGSV is a lot easier than the other games except Peacewalker.
What? Not even for a second, playing any of the past MGS, I knew where I was going and where enemies were placed. It was a constant challenge and a damn good feeling, an average of 20 hours of "look around, move carefully". Now, I didn't do the math and I don't know how many locations there are in MGSV compared to the others but I tell you, they could be more than double and they still feel not enough for what the game hopes to offer with all main and side missions. It's a matter of balance, if you liked to 100% GZ then you'll be fine.. I'm not. I don't think it's funny to sneak in a base you know everything about if not for the sake of playing around like I do in GTA.
Haunted
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There's a couple factors at work here that make MGSV appear easier than previous games. Some do make it easier compared to the harsh fail states of previous games, but mostly, they just make the game better.
easier:
- reflex mode
- regenerating health
better:
- more approaches in terms of equipment
- more approaches in terms of environment
- a standardised, modern control scheme copied from other third person games
easier:
- reflex mode
- regenerating health
better:
- more approaches in terms of equipment
- more approaches in terms of environment
- a standardised, modern control scheme copied from other third person games
ViewtifulJC
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Its incredible how much I just...don't give a single solitary fuck about a single thing happening in this scene. Skullface has like 10 minutes of screentime in this 30 hours it takes to get here, he made zero impression on me, he has zero menace or presence over the narrative, no connection to me and my character like most of the other MGS antagonists. And he could he, because my character is a blank cipher(lol) who just stares at things and does what he's told.
So he just talks and talks and talks nonsense and its just...nothing. He could be talking about putting on banana peels on his feet for slippers and it wouldn't elicit a reaction. Kojima truly connected us to Snake, what a genius.
To me that's like MGS5 storytelling in microcosm. Weird, abstract, incomplete, non-characters talking about shit you don't care about, with a showy one-take style of cutscene that draws attention to how artificial it is(this is a LONG jeep ride) and further takes you out of the moment. And then a nonsense song choice just because.
KOMANI
KOMANI
Regardless it's easier. Just for the fact that older games limit you whereas modern games have become better in allowing the player less restriction in controls and camera. It's a good thing. But it doesn't change the fact that this is the first Metal Gear to cater to the casual fan (successfully).
ViewtifulJC
Banned
The Reflex mode is a compromise they had to do unless you want to obsessively scan every single area with so many sightlines with vague determination for how far they can see you. So now you can just walk up to guards right in the face and get no alerts with ease.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Also there's like no reason NOT to deploy at night for less visibility every single mission
The alternative to reflex mode is restarting from the last checkpoint frequently.
If you aren't crawling around 90% of the time you can get seen in bullshit ways.
Straight Edge
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I cannot get the exiled cut scene to play. All tapes are listened to. I finished the quarantine.
SuperStiltzkin
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For an interesting take on this, watch some Let's Plays of the prologue and notice how many players shoot the Man on Fire with the Uzi during the scene before he's hit with an ambulance, even though it's well established at that point that he's not hurt by bullets.
I've watched like 10 people play through it and only one person other than myself didn't shoot at all. Let them watch a cutscene and they'll remark how stupid these people are, shooting uselessly - give them a gun and a target and exert some pressure (like, say, making them feel helpless while a big fucking Human Torch comes waltzing their way) and they'll fall into the same "trap".
Not saying you did, just pointing it out.
I didn't shoot either. Thought maybe there was some environmental thing I had to shoot. But I'd compare the Venom moment to Tom Hanks at the end of Saving Private Ryan. He was immobilized and had no choice but to either die or die fighting.
The XOF guys aren't wrong to assume that maybe bullets will kill the Man on Fire cause he's a man afterall. Much like how people think that one of their bullets should at least hit Gray Fox or Vamp or Fortune. But Metal Gears are military hardware like tanks. There is nothing deceptive about them. They are what they appear to be. Giant hulking armored robots. Soldiers should know that guns don't do anything to them and make a tactical retreat to some cover.
At the end of the day, red shirts are gonna be red shirts and do stupid stuff.
Because we need smarter AI, but we rarely get something actually challenging.
It's again about balance, the more power you give to the player, the smarter the AI has to be. That, or you make enemies cheat, but it's a ugly decision.
I did that at first, then I started to select to deploy as soon as possible.
You talking about Quiet? You need to have maxed your bond with her, and you can't be wearing the butterfly emblem.
EDIT: Oh, you mean Huey. Keep doing side ops after Kaz calls you about his suspicions. He'll then call you back after a side op and the cutscene will start automatically.
Once I saw these dudes having night vision goggles and flashlights... I was basically like "yea...uh...6am deployment aint that bad"
Straight Edge
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I did 2 side ops and he hasn't called yet. In the recording he said there would be a trial.
WrenchNinja
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Ōkami;180110651 said:
FROM FOX ENGINE TWO PHANTOMS WERE BORN
ViewtifulJC
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That didn't work in Portable Ops, where you wasting time dragging people to capture them.
You can also very easily cripple yourself on older Metal Gears, once again bringing the difficulty back up.
MGS V is the second easiest Metal Gear, behind only Peace Walker.
TheBoss1
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4 & 3 are easier than V. Two is still the hardest one to date.
Darth Chocula
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The only cassette tape you need for Afghanistan.
Hovering around 60% completion after completing the story proper. Have had a great time with it though have to agree with the ending. Not only is leaving a metal gear in the hands of Liquid weird, putting the cut content on the making of that people paid extra bucks for is kinda shitty.
I don't believe in any of the theories regarding continuation but I can see how someone might be drafting up 5,000 word essay about how Kojima wanted to artificially recreate Half-Life fans existential sorrow.
Hovering around 60% completion after completing the story proper. Have had a great time with it though have to agree with the ending. Not only is leaving a metal gear in the hands of Liquid weird, putting the cut content on the making of that people paid extra bucks for is kinda shitty.
I don't believe in any of the theories regarding continuation but I can see how someone might be drafting up 5,000 word essay about how Kojima wanted to artificially recreate Half-Life fans existential sorrow.
Not a chance. You can literally drive through most missions, ignoring alerts and gunfire, and get S ranks in MGS V.
2 is definitely the hardest though.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Yup. Though 2 on EE is amazing. I wish all the missions in V had a EE equivalent.
edit: wait, read that wrong. V is easiest of them all.
I wouldn't say that MGSV is easy, but rather that the open-world mechanics of the game inherently allow for more options per given scenario compared to previous MGS games. Everything from smoke grenades to novelty items all work. Not only that, but the player isn't penalized (that is, hopelessly overrun) for pursuing lethal options, which is something I never understood about the previous games.
The difficulty of the game is directly related to how the player wants to pursue it.
The difficulty of the game is directly related to how the player wants to pursue it.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
The jeep scene would have been great if it weren't shot the way it was. Traditional cutscene was the way to go for that.
As it is... yeah, its awkwardness has been commented on enough already
Oh I forgot to ask! Yesterday when I finished the game, after finishing it I came back to MB and a cutscene from Code Talker that seemed like the parasites were telling him what was going on MB.
But he said "Eyes on Miller," I suppose there nothing more to it than that cutscene, right?
But he said "Eyes on Miller," I suppose there nothing more to it than that cutscene, right?
And they were the ones with the worst stats. Thinking about fulton them out until I see some c and d level shit
Like no wonder your ass is decked out in some hurt locker shit
TheBoss1
Member
Most missions don't require you driving. So did you drive straight to Kaz? Or straight to the Honey Bee? Or straight through Quiet? Or straight through the last Skulls battle?
Please stop the hyperbole. And the funny thing is I've literally ran through levels in 3 & 4 just to see if there were any repercussions and I could literally do that everywhere outside of boss fights.
MGSV is definitely the easiest mainline MGS to date, there were like 3 points in the game I got stuck at and died/failed a couple of times. The second Skullforce encounter with honeybee, the man on fire 'boss' fight and the last Quiet mission with those tanks.
All the other missions were good/okay difficulty-wise, but not really challenging and I was really surprised through out the campaign over how I consistently got A and S ranks on the first playthrough on most missions.
All the other missions were good/okay difficulty-wise, but not really challenging and I was really surprised through out the campaign over how I consistently got A and S ranks on the first playthrough on most missions.
Solideliquid
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I really must say. I think the gameplay and visuals were the best I've seen in a MGS game. It's probably been the best looking, best game of 2015 for me. However saying that, I think the story is the worst I've experienced in a MGS game. I really loved MGS, MGS3, and MGS4. I thought MGS2 was good but not great.
This game, virtually has no story in my view. It seems unfinished. I appreciate the story in the tapes especially at the end with Zero and the Patriots and the retcon of the original MG ending. I think they should have done better and actually focus more on Big Boss and his story. Actually, they did sort of pull another Raiden on us didn't they? Son of a...
This game, virtually has no story in my view. It seems unfinished. I appreciate the story in the tapes especially at the end with Zero and the Patriots and the retcon of the original MG ending. I think they should have done better and actually focus more on Big Boss and his story. Actually, they did sort of pull another Raiden on us didn't they? Son of a...
KOMANI
KOMANI
Red Blaster
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mgs1 is by far the easiest game in the series
guards don't even have an investigate/caution state so you can just shoulder throw your way to the boss battles
guards don't even have an investigate/caution state so you can just shoulder throw your way to the boss battles
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