CBC is announcing that Justin Trudeau will be the next Prime Minister of Canada

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While I don't trust the liberals after the bill C-51 debacle, this is still a much better alternative to Harper's shit show. Congratulations Canada!
 
Jotamide said:
While I don't trust the liberals after the bill C-51 debacle, this is still a much better alternative to Harper's shit show. Congratulations Canada!
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Eh, I think Liberal supporters are going to be in for more surprises like C-51. It's just inevitable.
 
firehawk12 said:
Our Liberal is your Labour.
Our Conservatives (Tory) is your Liberal/Coalition.

But more specifically, our Liberal is your right-wing part of Labour. Our NDP is like the Bill Shorten side of Labour.
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Okay, gotcha. You seem quite well versed in Australian politics! You poor bastard ;)

Edit: And the far-left group (I'd assume the equivalent of the Greens?) had a 19% swing towards them. Holy shit!
 
firehawk12 said:
Because the natural opposition to the Liberals is the CPC, and by either 2019 or 2024, the CPC will be a viable alternative to the Liberals again.
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Why can't the NDP be considered an opposition to the Liberals looking down into the future?
 
Shaneus said:
Okay, gotcha. You seem quite well versed in Australian politics! You poor bastard ;)
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Honestly, the Australian leadership spills are probably the most fun I've had watching politics in my life. I still think it's amazing how Rudd played the long game to trick his way back into becoming PM (albeit only for a short time before losing to Abbott).

AAK said:
Why can't the NDP be considered an opposition to the Liberals looking down into the future?
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It's sort of like asking why people didn't vote for Ralph Nader if they didn't like either Al Gore or George Bush. The NDP are going back to protest party status, which is fine, but in majority situations like this one, they have absolutely no power - even less since they aren't official opposition - so they might as well not even be considered part of the process.
 
Well, hopefully this will be a good gut check moment for the Right to put some good policy in place for 2019. I mean I voted for this outcome I suppose, but I hope the Right retools to get things together in the next 4 years
 
firehawk12 said:
Our Liberal is your Labour.
Our Conservatives (Tory) is your Liberal/Coalition.

But more specifically, our Liberal is your right-wing part of Labour. Our NDP is like the Bill Shorten side of Labour.
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I don't think this is the case anymore. Over the election, the platforms shifted idealogical stances.

NDP became more centrist and Liberals became more left leaning. I would say more then NDP on a platform basis only. Historical? Sure, but currently? No.

I think they shifted their platform based on the discussions they had with Canadians.

NDP supporters always go to history on why they fear a Liberal government, but everything about the current Liberal platform and now government is very socialist.

To give you an example, I was an NDP supporter and the Liberal government won me over by their new platform by being more socialist & big government then the NDP.
 
Tabris said:
NDP supporters always go to history on why they fear a Liberal government, but everything about the current Liberal platform and now government is very socialist.
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I have, and always will, see the Liberals as slightly better Conservatives. I'm willing to bet that they will have no problems passing TPP for example.

MrPhiliasfrog said:
Yeah, I kind of see your point. And it is a shame the voting system is made this way.
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Yeah. I was hoping for real electoral reform, but that's not even a possibility anymore.
 
Sch1sm said:
Gonna just leave this here:
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Sometimes I feel like the changes Harper made to Canada hasn't really been broadcast to the people of other countries. The Canada that they think is great isn't based on the Canada we have today but based on the good will of Canada's past. Canada under Harper was one of fear mongering, dividing people, and obfuscation (these are the things that stand out to me the most but there's much more). I hope that Justin Trudeau will unite us and make everyone be proud of Canada and being Canadian again.
 
firehawk12 said:
I have, and always will, see the Liberals as slightly better Conservatives. I'm willing to bet that they will have no problems passing TPP for example.
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That says more about you then the Liberal party though.

You are unable to change your views as parties change their views.

On the opposite side of the spectrum, that's why the conservatives were in power for so long. A lot of voters had slightly conservative views around things like taxes and security, but were not at all in line with the shift to neocon politics, but because they had an entrenched party view they continued to vote for politics that didn't match theirs. That's what has entrenched voting in the US as well, and many other countries.

You need to be willing to shift your view as the political and world landscape changes.

Change your view from "I support X and will always support X because of the history of Y" to "What are you doing for me now?"
 
Haven't paid attention at all to canadian politics other than making fun of Harper.

So, I had to look the dude up.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/20/justin-trudeau-canada-new-prime-minister-liberals

Trudeau on climate change
He has promised a climate chaneg policy agreed with the provinces within 90 days of the UN climate change summit in Paris in November.

On indigenous rights
“We will build a renewed relationship with indigenous peoples on a nation-to-nation basis,” he has said. “That will include, for example, a national public inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women and girls. It will include $2.6bn over four years for First Nations education.”

On abortion
He is pro-choice: “It is not for any government to legislate what a woman chooses to do with her body. And that is the bottom line.”

On taxes
His first move will be to raise taxes on the richest 1% to fund cuts for the middle classes.


On marijuana
Trudeau has said he would start moves to legalise it “right away”, based on the Colorado model.
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Uhm, can we trade this guy for Bieber?
and Senator Cruz
 
Sad to see the NDP end up like this. I knew it wasn't possible near the end here but was really hoping we could see an NDP government. Not a Trudeau fan but I will take 1000 Trudeaus over Harper the old racist. Can't believe such a diverse country has had an Islamaphobe behind the wheel for almost 10 years.
 
ItIsOkBro said:
Sometimes I feel like the changes Harper made to Canada hasn't really been broadcast to the people of other countries. The Canada that they think is great isn't based on the Canada we have today but based on the good will of Canada's past. Canada under Harper was one of fear mongering, dividing people, and obfuscation (these are the things that stand out to me the most but there's much more). I hope that Justin Trudeau will unite us and make everyone be proud of Canada and being Canadian again.
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I feel the same.
 
ItIsOkBro said:
Sometimes I feel like the changes Harper made to Canada hasn't really been broadcast to the people of other countries.
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I think because in practice Canadians seem to spend a wildly disproportionate amount of time thinking about how they come across on the world stage relative to the actual amount of thought most people tend to give Canada.
 
Lulzwagon said:
Sad to see the NDP end up like this. I knew it wasn't possible near the end here but was really hoping we could see an NDP government. Not a Trudeau fan but I will take 1000 Trudeaus over Harper the old racist. Can't believe such a diverse country has had an Islamaphobe behind the wheel for almost 10 years.
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He rode the narrative that he was protecting us. To quote Picard "Villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged."
 
Chozo said:
I think because in practice Canadians seem to spend a wildly disproportionate amount of time thinking about how they come across on the world stage relative to the actual amount of thought most people tend to give Canada.
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I assume you're American, because Canada gets plenty of thought on the international stage.

Top 20 Most Admired Countries in the World

1) Canada
2) Norway
3) Sweden
4) Switzerland
5) Australia
6) Finland
7) New Zealand
8) Denmark
9) Netherlands
10) Belgium
11) Ireland
12) Austria
13) UK
14) Italy
15) Germany
16) Japan
17) Spain
18) Portugal
19) France
20) Singapore
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The Reputation Institute tracks the public perception in a number of different industries, including world nations, and revealed Wednesday morning that Canada stands at the top of the most admired countries in the world and has the best reputation.

The study looks at a number of criteria, including:

“beautiful country”
“enjoyable country”
“appealing lifestyle”
“friendly and welcoming people”
“business environment”
“institutional environment”
“social and economic policies”
“international participation”
“safety”
“efficient use of public resources”
“ethical country”
“high quality products and services”
“well-known brands”
“culture”
“well-educated and reliable workforce”
“values education”
“technology”
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1080350
 
Chozo said:
I think because in practice Canadians seem to spend a wildly disproportionate amount of time thinking about how they come across on the world stage relative to the actual amount of thought most people tend to give Canada.
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It's not that. It's because people really do give Canada props whenever we come up. We have a great reputation. Not that people think about Canada all that much (of course they don't), but when we come up its always "yeah! I like those guys.. They're doing smart things up there."

But a lot of that is based on pre-2006 efforts, and we were coasting on an old reputation.

Thanks to Trudeau, I'm hoping we can get back to what inspired that reputation.
 
firehawk12 said:
They had their one chance and they blew it. It will literally never happen again in my life time, so yeah, there's no point in voting anymore.
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There is no such thing as "one chance" in politics. It hurts now and that's fine, but you owe it to yourself and your county to get back on the horse eventually.
 
So surprised by the majority government, but so relieved we do not have to deal with a minority government. Happy to see youth in office and to have the Canada the world expects and deserves.
 
Bring on the brothels next to my children's schools!

ponpo said:
Wasn't Harper okay for the country economically speaking? Or no.
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Canada went into the global financial crisis in a strong position, thanks mostly to Liberal-era banking regulations.

Harper got in and promised to make the recession go away by cutting government spending (also, let's cut those bothersome regulations). After everyone said "WTF no, that's not how recession works", he flip-flopped and made an "Economic Action Plan" with stimulus spending, and took credit for saving the economy (frequent taxpayer-funded TV ads banging that drum).

America is apparently pulling out of the recession better than Canada is.

Justin Trudeau's current plan is to run a deficit and spend more money on stimulus, so Harper flip-flopped back into saying that government spending is bad, and that Justin is going to destroy our economy with reckless spending.
 
firehawk12 said:
When you know your vote doesn't matter, what's the point though? I'm better off using my ballot as kindling to light a cigar. lol
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You'll never fully agree with every policy a political party has, and if you do it's surely a rare occurrence. The kind of change the world needs takes time, it's small minuscule steps made over a lifetime, it's the kind of stuff most people don't have the stomach for.

You vote for the party that has the best chance of swaying the system in the direction it needs to go. It's crap but it's how society works. We're not one person and you can't expect everyone to be on board all at once.

The idea that you'll never vote again because of this is laughable to me.

I'm not saying your ideals are wrong, but it's hard to believe that someone would just straight up forfeit their voice simply because things don't work exactly the way they want them to.

Trudeau is not the prime minister I want, but it's a step in the right direction.
 
BlastProcessing said:
There is no such thing as "one chance" in politics. It hurts now and that's fine, but you owe it to yourself and your county to get back on the horse eventually.
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I just can't go through the heartbreak again. Even if there is some kind of alternate reality where the NDP become a viable opposition party.

Tabris said:
That says more about you then the Liberal party though.

You are unable to change your views as parties change their views.

On the opposite side of the spectrum, that's why the conservatives were in power for so long. A lot of voters had slightly conservative views around things like taxes and security, but were not at all in line with the shift to neocon politics, but because they had an entrenched party view they continued to vote for politics that didn't match theirs. That's what has entrenched voting in the US as well, and many other countries.

You need to be willing to shift your view as the political and world landscape changes.

Change your view from "I support X and will always support X because of the history of Y" to "What are you doing for me now?"
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There's enough taint on the Liberal brand for me to choose NDP in the first place though. I mean, maybe the new Liberal government will change my mind, but it's not like these guys aren't going to have the same Bay Street and Oil Patch lobbyists cozying up to them eventually.
 
Layton was too good for Canada, but I'll gladly take part in Trudeaumania.

I don't want to get my hopes too high though...getting giddy over a Trudeau-Sanders relationship in North America.

Regardless, hopefully they get along well with President Nieto in Mexico. We could use some strength in solidarity between the three nations.
 
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