LMAO!
PC Ultra
PS4
Looks "way better" indeed!
why do you insist on using console screenshots where there are elements obscuring visibility beyond the short distance?
Fallout 4 PC Ultra screenshots
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why do you insist on using console screenshots where there are elements obscuring visibility beyond the short distance?
Darkstorne
Member
That's just filtering / low resolution shadows. Which I actually prefer. "Crisp" shadows from trees just don't happen, even on the sunniest of days.
PCSS (or another technique implementing the same physical effect) is still much preferable to an artificial change in filtering depending on the shadow caster.
I don't really see any PCSS happening in these shots though.
artsi
Member
Arma 2 and 3 both have pretty amazing maps overall, considering they're so small in relative to AAA studios.
And while a lot of (misunderstanding) people complain about bad optimization, it's doing cool stuff no other games do and they're doing everything to develop the engine further, even adding DX12 as a free update soon with the expansion.
I can't be sure but I think some kind of contact hardening shadows is enabled because the differences between the high branches shadows and dog or base trunk shadow filtering. But it doesn't affect the barrier shadow :S
Jesus_Christ_Almighty
Banned
This question was asked earlier, but to my knowledge, never answered:
Where did these screenshots come from?
Why are we not asking for a source? Why was the most important screenshot omitted: namely, the screenshot of the graphics settings page? To me, if you post PC screenshots of an unreleased game without showing the page for the graphics settings then you immediately lose cred.
We demand answers.
Where did these screenshots come from?
Why are we not asking for a source? Why was the most important screenshot omitted: namely, the screenshot of the graphics settings page? To me, if you post PC screenshots of an unreleased game without showing the page for the graphics settings then you immediately lose cred.
We demand answers.
I thought so at first, but looking at the pictures in the OP there are a few places where contact hardening should be obvious (e.g. poles) but there doesn't seem to be any.
They might simply filter tree shadows differently from other shadows (though that would be a bit silly).
DrROBschiz
Member
eh
we only have to wait a week and its not like the base art assets are going to change much
we are pretty much seeing what we are getting
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Define bare minimum, completely changing the rendering pipeline, animation overhauls, much better character models, even these three things sound simple typed out but take a shit ton of work. Gameplay also seems to have received a ton of overhauls in responsiveness and looks like a competent shooter compared to past titles, movement seems much better, xp and skill systems have changed, etc. these things aren't marginal improvements, that's an overhaul. It's not a graphics or gameplay situation if the graphics aren't as terrible as enthusiasts would have you believe, at least not imho.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
2015 and you still have to close the game when you want to adjust the graphic options. Nice.
At least I assume there are no settings in game just like in F3, NV and Skyrim.
At least I assume there are no settings in game just like in F3, NV and Skyrim.
Jesus_Christ_Almighty
Banned
That hardly answers the question!
If we're going to debate about the screenshots like this... some people are even going so far as saying Bethesda has 'reached its peak' and needs a shakeup... then, for the love of Pete Hines, we should at least be told where these screenshots came from.
It's amazing that nobody's even asking. We need to be more skeptical.
Jesus_Christ_Almighty
Banned
This should have been posted with the screenshots, quite frankly.
KojiKnight
Member
*me reading first post and looking at the screen shots* That's a little underwhelming but not too bad I guess.
*sees the first page is full of huge praise below that*
Am... am I seeing the same things as everyone else? Textures especially are pretty blurry on those buildings and those aren't even in the distance.
Thank god I'm not alone!
*sees the first page is full of huge praise below that*
Am... am I seeing the same things as everyone else? Textures especially are pretty blurry on those buildings and those aren't even in the distance.Thank god I'm not alone!
DrROBschiz
Member
There is a topic on Gaf with tons of footage
Its time to hit that acceptance stage bro. And while PC players will see a bump its clearly not going to be a night and day difference
Not until modders step in anyways
Coreda
Member
You're absolutely right, they could have come from anywhere. It could be a Fallout 3 mod for all we know.
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Fractology
Member
I will say the thing I'm hella impressed with is the way the in game PipBoy screen looks. That looks really cool. I'm a huge sucker for CRT style grainy screens done solid in games. Same goes for the sound design on that thing.
Shifty1897
Member
Geez, those ground textures. Witcher 3 spoiled me.
Skyrim had out of the box support, did it not? If so, I'd expect nothing less here.
fluffydelusions
Member
Also remember console is 30fps but ya sorta disappointing
Canis lupus
Member
why do you insist on using console screenshots where there are elements obscuring visibility beyond the short distance?
The pic I'm comparing is more relevant than your huge ass panorama shot, I'm comparing the trees and foliage in the background from a similar distance. The other screens seem to have been taken down.
ENB is going to make it look really good.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Wait you purchase things based off of how much effort they put into the graphics?
Muppet of a Man
Member
This is one ugly ass game. That being said, the graphics are serviceable.
UnrealEck
Member
It's probably not maxed settings. Ultra may not have all the sliders maxed. I think this was the case with their other games.
Plus it's not using any downsampling.
But ultimately it is dissapointing me. Those textures are pretty bad. Very washed out. Some are of a detail level I'd expect on a PS3 or X360 game.
DrROBschiz
Member
yeah
no amount of settings are going to magically make the base assets of higher quality
That takes a competent artist.... like say a modder for instance
ISee
Member
That's it girls 'n guys. They are on to us. Let's better close NeoGAF and move on.
Jesus_Christ_Almighty
Banned
Acceptance?
What made you think I don't like the look of these screenshots? I'm delighted with these screenshots.
Two things:
1) Fallout 4 is much better looking than Fallout 3. And 2) I never expected this game to be on the cutting edge, graphically.
I just wanted to know who provided the screenshots. Still don't see an answer for that. Review copy. Okay, whose review copy???
DrROBschiz
Member
TheFNEffecT
Member
I don't think you will get an answer, there's probably a broken NDA to go along with these shots.
ISee
Member
There is NDA for review copies. It wouldn't wise to publicly announce it.
Baffling to me how many people think this looks "bad". Sure, it's not up there with the best of 'em but come on... It looks decent enough. Are you sure it will hamper your enjoyment of the game?
I just hope it runs buttery smooth.
I'm more worried after reading that they ditched weapon degradation and the karma system. And that there will be no hardcore mode (to be expected because it was Obsidian that introduced it in NV.)
I just hope it runs buttery smooth.
I'm more worried after reading that they ditched weapon degradation and the karma system. And that there will be no hardcore mode (to be expected because it was Obsidian that introduced it in NV.)
well given the apparently fast development (do we know when they started?) I just doubt it's well optimized and it'll probably eat up shit needlessly
Sarcastico
Member
More insult to injury.
Se_7_eN
Member
Every interview has said the team split up immediately after Fallout 3, some focused on Fallout 3 DLC, Skyrim, and Fallout 4... So, 7 years ago, not fast at all.
Unless bethesda suddenly became an indie developer i don't think that those who make models and textures are the same who write story and quests
I'd say production only started after Skyrim. Bethesda Games Studios isn't particularly large.
Evilore himself split these shots off into their own thread due to him being convinced they were genuine. I would hope that's enough for most people.
Take my word for it, I wouldn't post something like this if I wasn't 100% sure of their veracity. I've been on GAF for a long time and regularly post in tech related threads, I don't want to mislead anyone.
PROJECTZERO
Banned
Right after Fallout 3. Todd said this in the E3 showcase I think.
Love Deterrence
Member
Wow. Looking pretty good.
baudelinog
Member
Better than expected, sincerely.
So you played the game? I have a few questions if you did.
here's hoping then, I guess
just one of the biggest gaps between system requirements and how the actual game looks that ive seen in a long time
The complexity.
As someone who's dabbled a bit into modding and with a development background (not a progammer/tech dude, though), I can't help but cringe (and be a bit disappointed) at the straight comparisons to Witcher 3 or GTA V for example. The data structure, modding and "freedom" over tons of individual objects and NPC's comes at a cost. The game (like most games really) isn't really a fit for a straight comparison to pretty much any other game. Whether you care about the fact that the world has much more (and more importantly the potential to have) dynamically placed, individual objects makes the graphical aspects a ton harder to optimize as there's so much less room for predetermined optimization. Just the amount of potential draw calls is probably a lot higher than Witcher 3, or the amount of gameobjects the main thread has to process, potentially slowing down the rendering thread.
Now, that is by no means to say that things couldn't be better or that they are even good. Nor do I believe the engine might be quite up to snuff these days (though I also want to say that I realize that starting the whole tool chain from scratch might simply be a bit too much to ask for). I personally feel the graphics are quite fine given what the underlying tech is doing, even if the texture work, material properties, AO, image quality, shadows do let the overall composure down. But I also really don't enjoy the hyperbolic, shit-throwing these threads tend to end up, especially without any consideration for the realities and the underlying technology.