MGSV in my opinion is a bad metal gear solid game.
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The gameplay design isn't as good as MGS2 vr missions which still remain the gameplay peak of the series. This became apparent when doing the side ops which all largely play out the same and don't require much skill or thinking. It rarely ever felt like a real challenge on my part.
But MGSV's freedom is unquestionable and unrivaled, not just by other titles in the series, but by stealth games in general. The Code Talker mansion, for instance, was every bit as tight as the bank in Chaos Theory but with more tools at the player's disposal. Controls and movement are really well done and intuitive unlike MGS2 where you have to learn the game. Night/day cycle, weather, and random guard patrols (I know they're not random but you have to really give a shit if you want to actually pay attention to their schedule) serve as factors help mix levels up even further.
Sandbox is not the right word for MGSV. The sandbox aspect sucks. The open world just serves as a way for you to get from A to B. Toybox is a better word. MGSV is a really good toybox.
edit: Although I will give a dishonorable mention to slopes. That aspect of the movement is incredibly stupid in MGSV. Sometimes Snake can't step onto slopes that any 5 year old could climb lmao
But MGSV's freedom is unquestionable and unrivaled, not just by other titles in the series, but by stealth games in general. The Code Talker mansion, for instance, was every bit as tight as the bank in Chaos Theory but with more tools at the player's disposal. Controls and movement are really well done and intuitive unlike MGS2 where you have to learn the game. Night/day cycle, weather, and random guard patrols (I know they're not random but you have to really give a shit if you want to actually pay attention to their schedule) serve as factors help mix levels up even further.
Sandbox is not the right word for MGSV. The sandbox aspect sucks. The open world just serves as a way for you to get from A to B. Toybox is a better word. MGSV is a really good toybox.
edit: Although I will give a dishonorable mention to slopes. That aspect of the movement is incredibly stupid in MGSV. Sometimes Snake can't step onto slopes that any 5 year old could climb lmao
Liquidsnake
Banned
I don't like it, and I was disappointed in a way I can not describe.
This game broke my heart.
Best opening 20 min I have ver played in a game, the rest was a boring mess with 0 story I mean 0. In the end the payoff/ending might be the worst I have ever seen. I get angry thinking about it. This game really sucked. At the end of evey other MG game I was like Wow that was so much fun, and so good.
At the end of this I was like what? Why, What a waste of time this was.
The Praiseworthy
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MGS franchise is one of my absolute favorite... Each entry I've finished more than 4 - 5 times.
I don't see myself ever touching TPP ever again.
It became my most disappointed game of all time ( the title belonged to FFXIII previously ).
I don't see myself ever touching TPP ever again.
It became my most disappointed game of all time ( the title belonged to FFXIII previously ).
n051de
Member
Its practically the same game..
I like that. Yea. its like a good place where you can use gadgets to see with how much you can get away with and reactions.
Roni
Member
Oh, c'mon... Careful with the hyperbole.
Alebrije
Member
MGSV is great , funny as hell and the open world gives it the sence you really are in the middle of a taken zone.
This is not an story oriented MGS game and this causes conflict to a lot of fans since MGS games have been story oriented. But instead an story you have a great gameplay with lots of locations and you can complete the same quest in so much different ways.
Peace walker gave us an idea what Kojima tried to do on an open world but PSP was a barrier to implement it. MGSV is how Kojima tries to show us the way "Snake" builth Other Heaven and Mother bases those days.
This is not an story oriented MGS game and this causes conflict to a lot of fans since MGS games have been story oriented. But instead an story you have a great gameplay with lots of locations and you can complete the same quest in so much different ways.
Peace walker gave us an idea what Kojima tried to do on an open world but PSP was a barrier to implement it. MGSV is how Kojima tries to show us the way "Snake" builth Other Heaven and Mother bases those days.
Incredibly so.
GillianSeed79
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I love it and have been a fan of the franchise since the original Metal Gear on the NES. The gameplay is probably the best in the series even if it doesn't have the ridiculous cutscenes some of the fans enjoy.
I think MGS2 gameplay is quite a bit different from V's. 1 and 2 are almost like puzzle games (best illustrated by Volume). 2 is for sure much more challenging.
I think sandbox implies a...well a sandbox where someone can play with the tools (toys) at their disposal. I think it's an apt description.
mgs v was the biggest disappointed of this year for me
This, the story is so weak and handed out in tiny pieces wrapped in repetitive side OPs.
Not really. Peace Walker had co-op, which made it more tolerable, plus I never thought I'd say this but Peace Walker had better boss fights (and PW's boss fights were fucking terrible). Plus it never had any of that FOB protection racket shite.
They are very similar, but MGSV's changes concentrate on the bad elements of Peace Walker and makes them worse.
I don't like it, and I was disappointed in a way I can not describe.
This game broke my heart.
Best opening 20 min I have ver played in a game, the rest was a boring mess with 0 story I mean 0. In the end the payoff/ending might be the worst I have ever seen. I get angry thinking about it. This game really sucked. At the end of evey other MG game I was like Wow that was so much fun, and so good.
At the end of this I was like what? Why, What a waste of time this was.
The opening was crap
I hate having to sit through shit like that
It's still better than having to sit through some of the crap in the previous games though
lol we never know what we want when it comes to metal gear
did you want raiden?
what im saying is every metal gear u didnt need to play more than five hours for you to fall in love.
do you remember mgs2 opening
the halo jump in 3
the war has changed speech in 4
i mean its just my opinion
Glendemonium
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Metal Gear Solid has taken a different direction compared to the first three games. Can't say I'm a fan, but considering where gaming has been heading I'm not surprised on the emphasis on open world.
I'd prefer the linearity of the first three titles, there was far more character development and despite it all, they felt more entertaining and whole once you finished the game. I hated the idea of playing as Raiden in Sons of Liberty, but as I kept playing it allowed for some memorable... and awkward moments that didn't deter from the story.
There were some great moments in MGSV, but only a few fights. The cut content could of made the game feel complete, but that's a horse we've all beaten to death countless times.
I'd prefer the linearity of the first three titles, there was far more character development and despite it all, they felt more entertaining and whole once you finished the game. I hated the idea of playing as Raiden in Sons of Liberty, but as I kept playing it allowed for some memorable... and awkward moments that didn't deter from the story.
There were some great moments in MGSV, but only a few fights. The cut content could of made the game feel complete, but that's a horse we've all beaten to death countless times.
Not really. The fact that Peace Walker has a plot makes a lot of difference. It was goofy as fuck, but that's why I enjoyed it. Characters actually felt like characters, unlike the empty, boring shells that they were in MGSV (Fucking Ocelot, he is my favorite character in the franchise and they reduce him to a dog caretaker).
Also this. I'd rather fight robots than.... Well, whatever we fought in MGSV. Even the fight against Quiet felt half-assed and a very poor imitation of The End. Very disappointing.
I disagree on lots of fronts.
MGSV is great on the gameplay front, probably the best of its genre so far, and for that I can't agree at all with your points there. Lots of bases are just really interesting to stealth through, have lots of open areas and various patrols, and for that I think open-world suits this particular game the best. I'd say lots of bases are so refreshing with different level designs that explore lots of neat strategies.
As far as not being able to like it without being an MGS fan is alien to me. MGS is one of my favorite franchises of all-time and MGS 3 is normally my pick for GOAT.
IMO, it all matters what approach you had leading up to this game.
MGSV is great on the gameplay front, probably the best of its genre so far, and for that I can't agree at all with your points there. Lots of bases are just really interesting to stealth through, have lots of open areas and various patrols, and for that I think open-world suits this particular game the best. I'd say lots of bases are so refreshing with different level designs that explore lots of neat strategies.
As far as not being able to like it without being an MGS fan is alien to me. MGS is one of my favorite franchises of all-time and MGS 3 is normally my pick for GOAT.
IMO, it all matters what approach you had leading up to this game.
ginger ninja
Banned
I have been a huge mgs fan for almost 10 years. If someone had told me there would be an mgs game which i would end up playing for 120 hours, I would have laughed at them because I have never been a fan of the gameplay but hung in there for the story.
While MGS V's story isn't as great as MGS3, on the bright side it is also not as stupid as MGS4. The gameplay is fucking sublime and kojima is a fucking god. I cant wait to go back to it eventually and get the platinum.
While MGS V's story isn't as great as MGS3, on the bright side it is also not as stupid as MGS4. The gameplay is fucking sublime and kojima is a fucking god. I cant wait to go back to it eventually and get the platinum.
Always-honest
Banned
It's repetitive, yes. But the gameplay has a lot to offer. amazing fun to play. But i must admit after a lot of missions i find it hard to get back.
Its ok OP. I thought i was alone in my views on why this is a bad MGS. Its nice to see that people certainly view the game in the same light for what it is. Not trying to shield it behind what its not. Its an incomplete mess. Sure the gameplay is responsive, imaginative and overall rewarding. But MGS has been a full experience when taking into account story, great characters, epic moments, cheesy dialogue. You name it. LIke you said, it didn't take long to be grasped by the events unfolding. MGSV just begs to be played with, but never be immersed in its story. Since you know.. there is barely anything there. But hey!
PARASITES
Haunted
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I agree with this.
Still the best MGS game released in a decade and a tremendous turnaround for the series after the complete turd that was 4.
old manatee
Banned
Technically Metal Gear Solid is a bad Metal Gear game.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Yes yes, And I have never felt that way before, i was always trying to delay the end, because I didn't want it to end. With this, I was really trying to push through and end it.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
These days the semantics dictate that sandbox is largely synonymous with open world. The open world in MGSV outside the mission areas seemed largely inconsequential and uneventful to me. They were devoid of gameplay substance. But now that I remember, I have also heard the term sandbox used for a game like Halo where you simply have a large encounter in an area that you can approach in a variety of ways. Which is what I like about MGSV. You're right in that regard.
Alebrije
Member
Yep, I just wish I could skip the helicopter landing every time I start a mission
MGS4 was just... ugh. I will agree that MGSV is better than 4. But the series hasn't been the same to me since MGS2. I enjoyed 3 very much -- it's an amazing game -- but something was missing for me. I have come to love it more in later years, but I have a soft spot for the first two games in particular. I had high hopes that MGS4 would be a return to form in that regard, and I was left so woefully disappointed.
Marvel
could never
Yup same here, haven't touched it since finishing it.
Unheard of from me as a die hard.
Lionheart1827
Member
I loved the game so much that I sunk 191 hours into it 100% and platinuming it. The story wasn't up to par with the more classic MGS formula, but the gameplay makes up for it, BIG time.
The FOB bullshit and the stupid online/offline design choices they implemented recently were incredibly stupid, but the game is still easily one of my favorite games this year. MGS1 still takes the cake as best MG for me, but damn this one definitely comes close overall.
I dont plan on replaying the game anytime soon but not every game is meant to be replayed, especially after spending close to 200 hours on it. In fact, a lot of those hours WAS replaying the game trying to earn S ranks, completing objectives, etc.
The FOB bullshit and the stupid online/offline design choices they implemented recently were incredibly stupid, but the game is still easily one of my favorite games this year. MGS1 still takes the cake as best MG for me, but damn this one definitely comes close overall.
I dont plan on replaying the game anytime soon but not every game is meant to be replayed, especially after spending close to 200 hours on it. In fact, a lot of those hours WAS replaying the game trying to earn S ranks, completing objectives, etc.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
It's not really an open-world game.
I'm a HUGE Metal Gear fan and this game (with GZ) is easily Top 4. I'll be replaying for years.
I'm a HUGE Metal Gear fan and this game (with GZ) is easily Top 4. I'll be replaying for years.
Yeah. The only reason I'm not selling it is because I have such a big appreciation for the franchise in general. But I finished it, got that fucking stupid ending, and never touched it again.
I actually went back to play the previous titles in the series up to MGS4 to refresh my memory on how much enjoyment I used to get from these games.
Cutscenes are so much of what make MGS MGS, that if you don't like them, at some point you need to ask if you like MGS at all, or just stealth action games.
Alebrije
Member
But the funny part is that you go to get S ranks and objectives with new weapons , armor , buddy, tools , etc and the experience is different , not felt repetitive for me
BlastProcessing
Member
I get why some fans of Metal Gear might not like MGS5, just like how some Resident Evil fans didn't like RE4. But for me both are the best games in their series.
indigo-cyclops
Member
I'm definitely in agreement. A lot of problems with it, and the gameplay just didn't do it for me. Surprised how much I miss the old MG formula. It doesn't feel like an MG game to me at all.
Devilgunman
Member
Yep, the fans hate it. But for me it's on top of my GOAT list.
IXI FalcoN
Member
This right here would have fixed most people's issues with MGSV.
Phantom Pain has no business being open world. You do nothing fun in the open area, it's just lifeless terrain you have to waste time traversing to get to the meat of the game. The lack of significant story development I think is something most people can deal with, but the poorly designed open world just has no respect for your time. A large portion of the game is spent sitting in a helicopter, loading, and running/riding D-horse through a bland as fuck desert picking flowers along the way.
GZ was perfect. Wish TPP was 20 or so of those maps with a main mission with some side ops + Mother Base as is.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Uh I don't?
luckygodzilla
Member
It's the best ubisoft game ever made.
That's very very true.
DontBeThatGuy
Member
I'm not a metal gear guy, and MGS V is solid in some aspects, but it's not something I can love.
Melkezadek
Member
Huge MGS fan here and I absolutely loved it.
The story in the past games were always the draw for me, with the gameplay itself taking a backseat. I was never the greatest at stealth and so it made things tedious. I played because I was itching to get that next cutscene. I grew to like the gameplay, sure, but it wasn't my favorite. Story made it worth the struggle.
With TPP that all changed. Now I had the gameplay I always wanted. Gameplay so good, I feel like it would have been a disservice to have it interrupted by hours of cutscenes. I liked the way the handled it through the cassette tapes. As cliche as it sounds, it was very "Souls" as I found myself listening at my leisure, this very interesting lore through dialogue.
The quality of the story itself is subjective. I liked it a lot, personally.
The story in the past games were always the draw for me, with the gameplay itself taking a backseat. I was never the greatest at stealth and so it made things tedious. I played because I was itching to get that next cutscene. I grew to like the gameplay, sure, but it wasn't my favorite. Story made it worth the struggle.
With TPP that all changed. Now I had the gameplay I always wanted. Gameplay so good, I feel like it would have been a disservice to have it interrupted by hours of cutscenes. I liked the way the handled it through the cassette tapes. As cliche as it sounds, it was very "Souls" as I found myself listening at my leisure, this very interesting lore through dialogue.
The quality of the story itself is subjective. I liked it a lot, personally.