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Sony confirms PS2 emulation coming to PS4

Spy said:
How big would it be if the PS4 could emulate PSP and Vita games?
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PSP is certainly doable, the PS3 actually has a PSP emulator, only accessible for general use via custom firmware, and with low compatibility and technical problems. I'd love to play PSP games on my PS4, especially if they were able to offer similar resolution boosts to the PS2 games. Stuff like the Megaman remakes, Space Invaders Extreme and Loco Roco 1&2 would be nice. Most of the graphics in Loco Roco are vectors, and look bloody nice rendered at higher resolutions via an emulator.

Vita would be trickier I think. They'd run into the same problems as the PS TV, where games that were designed to use the various Vita only inputs would either be entirely unplayable, or somewhat compromised. Getting an emulator up and running would be trickier too. I think a handful of remasters (ala Tearaway and Gravity Rush) are the better route to go down. They should consider Wipeout and Killzone next imo.

stargateheaven said:
Sony should put all eggs in their ps4 basket. The PS4 would be the ultimate machine. PSP, PS1, PS2 and of course PS4 games.
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And presuming they stick with the same architecture going forwards, they should be able to easily maintain that with future home consoles, perhaps even updating the emulators to take advantage of the improved hardware, and maybe dropping in PS3 emulation once the specs catch up.
 
stargateheaven said:
PSP yes.

Sony should put all eggs in their ps4 basket. The PS4 would be the ultimate machine. PSP, PS1, PS2 and of course PS4 games.
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That's one hell of a potential library. I know they say numbers show BC just isn't something people care about, but how can it not be an advantage to have that library available on one console? Unless the work put into it really would cost more than what they'd potentially make back.
 
Mr. Nice_Guy said:
That's one hell of a potential library. I know they say numbers show BC just isn't something people care about, but how can it not be an advantage to have that library available on one console? Unless the work put into it really would cost more than what they'd potentially make back.
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It will inevitably happen. All 3 big consoles makers want one ecosystem like mobile, etc.. Games as a service.
 
Bonen no Max'd said:
Hold up a minute, do people actually like the new Chie's voice? That's the number one reason I have no interest in playing Golden.
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I've never heard of anyone preferring OldChie before now. NewChie's voice does a better job representing her character compared to the middle-aged-piano-teacher angle they went with before.

If I can spend Christmas playing Dark Chronicle again, I think I couldn't be happier with the results of PSX.
 
this is only going to have very limited appeal to me. for the obvious reason of time and having more then enough current gen titles to play without squeezing in old ones. but mainly that i only have a handful of games i'd even want to play again. namely amplitude and frequency.

either way it needs to be straight up emulation via disc or at the very least a system akin to xbox one and 360 BC. a digital version given with every title you insert. if it's some pay for service, or title by title payment there really is no point imo.
 
DoctorWho said:
This is a very promising glitch that we will see something soon.

The worst announcement would be that they have PS2 Backwards Compatibility and it will be launch at E3.
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To be fair, it has already launched. I wouldn't expect a flood of games. I don't know if they'll make games available to PS4 without a trophy list and I'm guessing that will take a lot of work for each game.
 
There have been a lot of suggestions as to what this could be and what might be included so I just want to list what I think the possibilities and variables are and see if there are any things I am failing to consider or over looking.


Worst Case Scenario.
Releases on a game by game basis with no cross-buy. A drip feed of games that will restart from scratch and require a purchase even if the game is available on PSN for previous systems. A slight variation here could be that maybe games have inconsistent trophy support and improvements.


Cross buy but nothing else.
The same as the worst case scenario, but in the case of games with previous PS1/PS2 classics releases you get the game free with crossbuy. The slight variable here could be perhaps a charge to upgrade for the improvements of the emulator.


Full PS1/PS2 classics support for existing classics, with Cross Buy.
The existing catalog of PS1/PS2 games is imported to the new service. They are cross-buy for owners of digital copies. The variable here could be whether or not they do both PS1 and PS2, and of course the previous variables of whether or not all games have standard improvements.

Full PS1/PS2 classics support for digital and disc versions of existing classics, with Cross Buy.
This is the same as above, but with the XB1 style disc as verification system from a white list of supported titles. As with the previous versions there could be a mix of variables including PS1 games and standard improvements.

Full PS1/PS2 Disc and digital support aka GAMING VALHALLA.
This would be the best of all worlds. All PS1/PS2 classics are cross buy for digital and all discs are supported. The variables here could include those mentioned previously, but also perhaps region free game availability.

So the variables I can think of are:
PS1 support.
Disc/digital.
White list or full support.
Standard improvements (trophies, fps, resolution).
Cross-Buy vs Upgrade fee vs new purchase.
Full importation of existing PSN titles or start from scratch.
Region Free.


Finally, in any case, there could be more robust support for classics due to the ease of having a more stable and functional emulator plus the recent trend toward long sought after releases (Suikoden 2 and 3, Mega Man Legends series, etc...)

So, am I missing anything? Are there some possibilities not mentioned here? How likely do you think each scenario is?
 
I would gladly double dip on Dragon Quest VIII in 1080p.

I remember reading about the possibility of adding simple trophies in old PS1/PS2 games tied to loading areas. Are there any news?
 
Hades Hotgun said:
Full PS1/PS2 classics support for digital and disc versions of existing classics, with Cross Buy.
This is the same as above, but with the XB! style disc as verification system from a white list of supported titles. As with the previous versions there could be a mix of variables including PS1 games and standard improvements.
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I think that's pretty unlikely. Everything points to MS having to alter the original games (I suspect they're recompiling the executables against x86 versions of the 360 libraries and putting up byte-swapped game data you have to download). Sony can most likely properly emulate the original version of the games without alteration, even the PS3 worked that way with PS2 Classics. So there's no need for publisher permission or downloading game data, the discs should just work, just like PS1 discs on the PS3, or even PS2 discs on PS3s that supported discs.
 
androvsky said:
I think that's pretty unlikely. Everything points to MS having to alter the original games (I suspect they're recompiling the executables against x86 versions of the 360 libraries and putting up byte-swapped game data you have to download). Sony can most likely properly emulate the original version of the games without alteration, even the PS3 worked that way with PS2 Classics. So there's no need for publisher permission or downloading game data, the discs should just work, just like PS1 discs on the PS3, or even PS2 discs on PS3s that supported discs.
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But would the possibility of added trophies (perhaps as a requirement for the new Classics line) be the kind of thing that would require a publisher sign off? Would Sony just add the trophies themselves or could they possibly just omit trophies from some games where the publisher doesn't agree to adding them?
 
Hades Hotgun said:
But would the possibility of added trophies (perhaps as a requirement for the new Classics line) be the kind of thing that would require a publisher sign off? Would Sony just add the trophies themselves or could they possibly just omit trophies from some games where the publisher doesn't agree to adding them?
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Trophies would almost certainly require publisher intervention at some level. When talking about disc support, I'm assuming either there won't be trophies, or trophies will be an extra DLC pack. The original game wouldn't need to be altered, but the publisher would still have to approve usage of the trademarks I'd assume.
 
androvsky said:
Trophies would almost certainly require publisher intervention at some level. When talking about disc support, I'm assuming either there won't be trophies, or trophies will be an extra DLC pack. The original game wouldn't need to be altered, but the publisher would still have to approve usage of the trademarks I'd assume.
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hmm, that actually works for everyone. Hell, charge 99 cents for trophy packs and I would buy every time.

Blanket BC with the choice of trophies for some. Although, I know the games that I would want trophies for would never get an update.
 
Zekra Dezivad said:
I would gladly double dip on Dragon Quest VIII in 1080p.

I remember reading about the possibility of adding simple trophies in old PS1/PS2 games tied to loading areas. Are there any news?
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I don't think that there has been any new statement but the Eurogamer article in the OT says this (talking about the recently tested Star Wars games) :
"trophy support is added to the emulator - something we can confirm having unlocked one while playing Racer Revenge. On the face of it, this may seem to rule out emulation (trophies were never in the original games) - but this patent explains how it is done. Essentially, it seems the emulator tracks certain 'trigger' conditions required for specific trophies to activate - we expect that it is tracking the game state as you play."
 
androvsky said:
Trophies would almost certainly require publisher intervention at some level. When talking about disc support, I'm assuming either there won't be trophies, or trophies will be an extra DLC pack. The original game wouldn't need to be altered, but the publisher would still have to approve usage of the trademarks I'd assume.
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Solid idea. $1 or $2 for the trophy dlc wrapper (and improved emu?) if you're playing physical. Cross buy and Trophy DLC for all new digital purchases. Which leaves the grey area of games you already own that get trophies later... grandfathered in or must buy upgrade both seem plausible there.

But we're on the bleeding edge of 'best case scenario' here in terms of what we get.
 
Any situation where they are charging people specifically for a resolution increase would be ridiculous.

If discs or previous purchases work via emulation, they should work to the full capability of the emulator.
 
Hades Hotgun said:
There have been a lot of suggestions as to what this could be and what might be included so I just want to list what I think the possibilities and variables are and see if there are any things I am failing to consider or over looking.


Worst Case Scenario.
Releases on a game by game basis with no cross-buy. A drip feed of games that will restart from scratch and require a purchase even if the game is available on PSN for previous systems. A slight variation here could be that maybe games have inconsistent trophy support and improvements.


Cross buy but nothing else.
The same as the worst case scenario, but in the case of games with previous PS1/PS2 classics releases you get the game free with crossbuy. The slight variable here could be perhaps a charge to upgrade for the improvements of the emulator.


Full PS1/PS2 classics support for existing classics, with Cross Buy.
The existing catalog of PS1/PS2 games is imported to the new service. They are cross-buy for owners of digital copies. The variable here could be whether or not they do both PS1 and PS2, and of course the previous variables of whether or not all games have standard improvements.

Full PS1/PS2 classics support for digital and disc versions of existing classics, with Cross Buy.
This is the same as above, but with the XB1 style disc as verification system from a white list of supported titles. As with the previous versions there could be a mix of variables including PS1 games and standard improvements.

Full PS1/PS2 Disc and digital support aka GAMING VALHALLA.
This would be the best of all worlds. All PS1/PS2 classics are cross buy for digital and all discs are supported. The variables here could include those mentioned previously, but also perhaps region free game availability.

So, am I missing anything? Are there some possibilities not mentioned here? How likely do you think each scenario is?
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What i've always though would happen is in bold, with the underlined being the most likely and best case scenario i'd consider. If either of those two happened, i'd be satisfied.

I think the other scenarios are pie in the sky miracles that are nice to dream about but will never happen.
 
Hades Hotgun said:
So, am I missing anything?
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PSN classics are all region free, so I doubt that will change.
As for Disc based - region free would be subject to new licensing arrangements, for no commercial benefit to any party holding the rights, so I don't see that happening.
 
MaxwellParrish said:
I don't think that there has been any new statement but the Eurogamer article in the OT says this (talking about the recently tested Star Wars games) :
"trophy support is added to the emulator - something we can confirm having unlocked one while playing Racer Revenge. On the face of it, this may seem to rule out emulation (trophies were never in the original games) - but this patent explains how it is done. Essentially, it seems the emulator tracks certain 'trigger' conditions required for specific trophies to activate - we expect that it is tracking the game state as you play."
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Thank you,it's an amazing feature :)
 
If the games don't show up with a PS2 tag on my trophy list, then this feature is WORTHLESS!

(I'll let the Star Wars games slip because they weren't marketed as PS2 Classics)


 
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