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[panda-zebra]

Hot damn.

It's doing more than 1.23m this month. The guys in the prediction thread should adjust accordingly.

Guys in the prediction thread say BF weekend accounts for the vast majority of November sales. This PR relates to a full week period (unsure which 7 days exactly) from a 28 day month. If the previous 2nd place was 750k, theres a 200k+ window where the new 2nd place could lie. I'm not saying your 1.23m will be incorrect, just see a possible range that could have a lower end far from that.

Yeah I don't think PS4 is going to win November or December NPD at this point.

Sony should just pack it up at this point and concentrate on ps5, amirite?

"making it" the second best BF week in Xbox history.

What is making? Xbox One. For me the phrase doesn't allow to include Xbox 360.

It is the week, not the console.

 

[allan-bh]

Are these numbers accurate?

Yes

http://majornelson.com/2011/11/29/xbox-360-records-the-biggest-week-in-xbox-history/

http://majornelson.com/2012/11/27/xbox-360-black-friday-report/

 

[allan-bh]

It is the week, not the console.

Of course, the week became the second bigger because of Xbox One sales. There's no word about Xbox 360.

 

[tattooed_dwarf]

There are some strong spin happening in this thread. People spin MS's spin.

 

[serversurfer]

The PR says that Xbox One sales were up "making it" the second best BF week in Xbox history.

What is making? Xbox One. For me the phrase doesn't allow to include Xbox 360. Maybe an english professor could clear up.

360 sales probably was very low.

What about the phrase "second-biggest week for XBox" doesn't allow for the inclusion of the 360? Was the 360 not part of this week? Pretty sure it was.

 

[Surface of Me]

There are some strong spin happening in this thread. People spin MS's spin.

"in the xbox store" are the words to note.

 

[ethomaz]

Yes

http://majornelson.com/2011/11/29/xbox-360-records-the-biggest-week-in-xbox-history/

http://majornelson.com/2012/11/27/xbox-360-black-friday-report/

Gold old raw number age

360 NPD 2011: 1.7m
360 NPD 2012: 1.26m

 

[panda-zebra]

There are some strong spin happening in this thread. People spin MS's spin.

Well sometimes you have to unravel a little in the other direction when trying to grasp something more concrete.

 

[allan-bh]

What about the phrase "second-biggest week for XBox" doesn't allow for the inclusion of the 360? Was the 360 not part of this week? Pretty sure it was.

The part that says that Xbox One sales are up making it the second bigger BF week. I know that "it" is the week, and "making" is Xbox One sales.

You should note that in other parts of the PR Microsoft mentions Xbox 360, but in this part not because they're talking about Xbox One sales alone.

 

[Kuro]

Sony should just pack it up at this point and concentrate on ps5, amirite?

Obviously not. Just my prediction for NPD the next two months.

 

[SPCTRE]

Well that's certainly a carefully worded PR.

They're really doubling down on their "engagement" and "hours played Xbox Live" angle.

 

[serversurfer]

I know that "it" is the week, and "making" is Xbox One sales.

I explained how that works. Did you miss it?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=187853811

 

[allan-bh]

I explained how that works. Did you miss it?

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=187853811

No, I read but don't agree with you.

 

[Knuf]

MS PR translation:
"We have been slaughtered both on Black Friday and in November."

My personal feeling is that Black Friday was close, even though they lost, but for the whole month PS4 won by a landslide.

 

[serversurfer]

No, I read but don't agree with you.

Just cuz, eh? =/

Sorry, but there's nothing to indicate that entire paragraph refers to anything other than the collective performance of XBox. You're being distracted with the "primary motivator" red herring.

Mission accomplished, Larry. Spin carefully, and you mislead effectively.

Spoiler

Seriously, does this crap only work in English? =/

 

[SomedayTheFire]

It's very clearly talking about Xbox as a whole. Like so blindingly clear.

 

[allan-bh]

Gold old raw number age

360 NPD 2011: 1.7m
360 NPD 2012: 1.26m

This remembered me of the diamond: Wii december 2009- 3.81m.

Insane.

 

[Fupri]

Continues to rise because it's forced on X1 & Windows 7+

 

[panda-zebra]

Obviously not. Just my prediction for NPD the next two months.

Not so sure myself, I believe this PR would have read very differently if that was likely for November.

It's way too early to call December as Microsoft have yet to fully detail their plan of attack afaict.

 

[allan-bh]

Just cuz, eh? =/

Sorry, but there's nothing to indicate that entire paragraph refers to anything other than the collective performance of XBox. You're being distracted with the "primary motivator" red herring.

Mission accomplished, Larry. Spin carefully, and you mislead effectively.

Spoiler

Seriously, does this crap only work in English? =/

Not needed, you just have one interpretation and I have another.

If it were "collective performance" they could actually mention Xbox 360 like they did in other parts of the PR, but they didn't.

 

[serversurfer]

Not needed, you just have one interpretation and I have another.

If it were "collective performance" they could actually mention Xbox 360 like they did in other parts of the PR, but they didn't.

They did mention the 360. It's part of "XBox," which just had its second-best Black Friday ever, thanks to the increase in Bone sales.

 

[Rurunaki]

Bookmarking this thread. If anything else, that PR speak is excellent.

 

[FX-GMC]

They did mention the 360. It's part of "XBox," which just had its second-best Black Friday ever, thanks to the increase in Bone sales.

Almost. It says over and over "Black Friday week".

Xbox One console sales at retail were up 22 percent over the same period last year, making it the second biggest Black Friday week in 15 years of Xbox history in the U.S.

It = Black Friday Week

 

[serversurfer]

Almost. It says over and over "Black Friday week".



It = Black Friday Week

Yes, sorry. I'm on my phone, and I got tired of typing "week" again and again. But I think we've established that's what we're discussing now. The question is whether he was referring to the best week for XBox or the best week for an XBox.

 

[mejin]

It's funny we have to decipher Microsoft's spin every damn time. lol

 

[Aceofspades]

This remembered me of the diamond: Wii december 2009- 3.81m.

Insane.

I think PS2 did a 4.6m december once, not sure about the year.

 

[viHuGi]

MS PR translation:
"We have been slaughtered both on Black Friday and in November."

My personal feeling is that Black Friday was close, even though they lost, but for the whole month PS4 won by a landslide.

Being slaughtered and having those sales i Don't think they care.

 

[benny_a]

It's funny we have to decipher Microsoft's spin every damn time. lol

http://imgur.com/w3uMmqr

 

[serversurfer]

It's funny we have to decipher Microsoft's spin every damn time. lol

Yeah, hilarious. ><

 

[allan-bh]

They did mention the 360. It's part of "XBox," which just had its second-best Black Friday ever, thanks to the increase in Bone sales.

Xbox is in reference of the Original Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox One, the 3 systems that makes 15 years of Xbox history. In the part of making the record of the second bigger sales on black friday week they only mentioned Xbox One.

In other parts they literally mentioned Xbox 360 combined with Xbox One.

"sales in the Xbox Store broke records with an increase of 57 percent across Xbox One and Xbox 360"

"total paid unique users in the Xbox Store also broke records with an increase of 55 percent across Xbox One and Xbox 360"


If the objective was spin, why they only did that for hardware sales and not overall?

 

[SwolBro]

I get that MS wants to focus on customer engagement, but parsing through this release is difficult without some proper sales info. It seems like they're dancing around the issue big time.

What issues? they're selling well. I don't get this shit.

 

[DieH@rd]

So.... It broke all the records we don't want to know about?

No admission of hardware win of any kind. Oh MS.

 

[allan-bh]

I think PS2 did a 4.6m december once, not sure about the year.

No, best december for PS2 was ~2.7m in 2002.

3.81m for Wii is the best month for any system in NPD history.

 

[SwolBro]

So.... It broke all the records we don't want to know about?

No admission of hardware win of any kind. Oh MS.

Out of pure curiousity has any company, in any sector, come out on a PR statement and announce "our sales were this and this for this month, but we lost to our rivals here and here and here. These are the numbers"

The outrage culture over PR announcements is a bit perplexing to me.

 

[Knuf]

Being slaughtered and having those sales i Don't think they care.

Oh, I know, they only care about MAUs now.

 

[dolemite]

The 22% growth is in line with the UK growth.

 

[AP90]

How can it break BF records when it has second best BF in Xbox history?

MS spins never stop.

The Xbox One broke its own record.

This.

And.. It is a real positive that they are showing BF sales improvement from last year. Not to mention the xbl active user base being in the rise as well.

 

[serversurfer]

Xbox is in reference of the Original Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox One, the 3 systems that makes 15 years of Xbox history. In the part of making the record of the second bigger sales on black friday week they only mentioned Xbox One.

In other parts they literally mentioned Xbox 360 combined with Xbox One.

"sales in the Xbox Store broke records with an increase of 57 percent across Xbox One and Xbox 360"

"total paid unique users in the Xbox Store also broke records with an increase of 55 percent across Xbox One and Xbox 360"


If the objective was spin, why they only did that for hardware sales and not overall?

Because the objective was spin? /face-palm

So you agree that "Xbox" refers to XB1, XB2, and XB3, yes? So if he's talking about how well "XBox" did this week (thanks to our hero, XB3), then he's talking about how well XB3 and XB2 did, and if they moved any XB1 last week, he's counting those too.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Xbox is in reference of the Original Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox One, the 3 systems that makes 15 years of Xbox history. In the part of making the record of the second bigger sales on black friday week they only mentioned Xbox One.

In other parts they literally mentioned Xbox 360 combined with Xbox One.

"sales in the Xbox Store broke records with an increase of 57 percent across Xbox One and Xbox 360"

"total paid unique users in the Xbox Store also broke records with an increase of 55 percent across Xbox One and Xbox 360"


If the objective was spin, why they only did that for hardware sales and not overall?

The Xbox One's sales contributed to the biggest Black Friday week in Xbox (meaning all of xbox's releases) history. Until the 360 is no longer sold it will be counted when comparing timed metrics against the full history of Xbox.

 

[TBiddy]

What issues? they're selling well. I don't get this shit.

The "issue" is that they are "losing" the "war".

The XB1 is selling at around the same pace as the 360. I'd say that is a success. Only reason it looks bad is because the PS4 is doing mindboggingly good.

 

[Occam]

How can it break BF records when it has second best BF in Xbox history?

MS spins never stop.

Mixed reality. (They only mean Xbox One, and are comparing it to Xbox One.)

 

[allan-bh]

Because the objective was spin? /face-palm

So you agree that "Xbox" refers to XB1, XB2, and XB3, yes? So if he's talking about how well "XBox" did this week (thanks to our hero, XB3), then he's talking about how well XB3 and XB2 did, and if they moved any XB1 last week, he's counting those too.

So, they wanted to make spin for Xbox One but only did in one part, for the others they choose talk about the less impressive Xbox One + Xbox 360 combo... Ok.

And no, MS is saying how well Xbox One did in Xbox's BF history.

 

[allan-bh]

The Xbox One's sales contributed to the biggest Black Friday week in Xbox (meaning all of xbox's releases) history. Until the 360 is no longer sold it will be counted when comparing timed metrics against the full history of Xbox.

"Contributed" would definitely meant what you are saying, but that's not the word on PR.

"Making" doesn't imply necessarily that is combined with Xbox 360.

 

[anothertech]

Oh the circles ms spins it's fans in! So many falling for it too.

It's really quite easy to figure it out though. 90% of the sales were digital. So the second place record actually beat the first place record by millions.

 

[panda-zebra]

So, they wanted to make spin for Xbox One but only did in one part, for the others they choose talk about the less impressive Xbox One + Xbox 360 combo... Ok.

And no, MS is saying how well Xbox One did in Xbox's BF history.

They aren't averse to mixing and matching their metrics to present a rosier picture to suit any particular claim.

That these PR statements trigger such back-and-forth claim and counter-claim is telling in itself.

When salesGAFers can't get to the meat of the information, you can bet the audience it's actually created for is well and truly "informed".

 

[serversurfer]

So, they wanted to make spin for Xbox One but only did in one part, for the others they choose talk about the less impressive Xbox One + Xbox 360 combo... Ok.

No, dude, he spun you, when he said, "Thanks to the Bone…" because he tricked you in to thinking he suddenly wasn't including the 360 anymore, when he most certainly was. He was talking about how "XBox" did the entire time, and even though you're now consciously aware that he was talking about how well "XBox" sold that week in the US, you still can't shake the Strong Belief that the 360 was somehow not included in that week.

And no, MS is saying how well Xbox One did in Xbox's BF history.

No, they're saying XBox had one of its best weeks ever, thanks to the increase in Bone sales. Larry tricked you in to thinking the rest of that stuff.

 

[deadman69]

whys the xbox team bragging about windows 10 when they haven't released anything except ori this year??

 

[Ninja Sharingan]

whys the xbox team bragging about windows 10 when they haven't released anything except ori this year??

I cant make threads because I am a junior, but PC gaming is on a crazy rise. Even Game are getting in on it!

http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/systems/game_and_overclockers_uk_announce_new_partnership/1

I know it's a little off topic, but if someone wants to make a thread. Selling components in store, allowing trade ins etc. Goes to show the Rise pc gmaing is having and how that might be affecting the high street, if game wants to get involved.

 

[robo]

Again it's the placement of the comma.

Xbone up 22% over last years bf total, (comma end of statement) pushing Xbox to 2nd best bf in history. End of new statement and end of sentence.

Simples

 

[Dr.Acula]

It's pretty easy to understand. Here is the statement.

Worldwide Xbox Black Friday sales in the Xbox Store broke records with an increase of 57 percent across Xbox One and Xbox 360, global Xbox Live Gold subscriptions were up over 40 percent, and U.S. Xbox One console sales at retail were up 22 percent over the same period last year, making it the second biggest Black Friday week in 15 years of Xbox history in the U.S.

Worldwide Xbox Black Friday sales in the Xbox Store

Okay this is referring to the Xbox space in general, the "Xbox Store" exists on both active platforms, the 360 and the One.

broke records with an increase of 57 percent across Xbox One and Xbox 360

And this is my proof. When MS refers to their products in PR they use their whole names. Not "XBone" or "360." Always Xbox One and Xbox 360.

global Xbox Live Gold subscriptions were up over 40 percent

Here they refer to Xbox Live Gold subs, which AFAIK are active on the One and the 360. So this refers to BOTH. They are not talking about Xbox Live Gold subscribers on the Xbox One alone, because they did not state that explicitly.

and U.S. Xbox One console sales at retail were up 22 percent over the same period last year

Referring specifically to Xbox One console retail sales.

making it the second biggest Black Friday week in 15 years of Xbox history in the U.S.

Second biggest Black Friday week in Xbox history, including retail sales of consoles. Including sales in the XBox store. Including XBL subscriptions. For the 360 and the One combined.

If it were specific to the Xbox One, they wouldn't have left the name of the console off the statement. MS are real sticklers about branding and language.