Blood and tits will not solve their problems. They have fundamental creative problems.
Triple H addresses fan frustration with WWE; admits they feel the same way.
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Blood and tits will not solve their problems. They have fundamental creative problems.
The Silver
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I think you might be forgetting a key issue of the storylines still being shit.
USA network gave them a big contract for it.
Lucha Underground, a one-hour long wrestling series that debuted last year on El Rey Network. If El Rey isn't available in your cable markets, you can get it on Sling TV for $20 a month.
Ninja Scooter
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A lot of the attitude era was garbage storylines saved by shock value, shock value that wouldn't move the needle today. Times have changed. The "attitude era" is about as cool as Jerry Springer reruns.
Keyser Soze
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Because RAW has (had?) decent enough ratings for USA to want an extra hour advert money.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Stop cutting to commercial during every match!
The announcers are at their worst in the history of television. Stop treating me like im 5 years old, I am not 5 anymore man!
Put the womens title on Eva Marie!!!!!
The announcers are at their worst in the history of television. Stop treating me like im 5 years old, I am not 5 anymore man!
Put the womens title on Eva Marie!!!!!
The thing is they're running the WCW playbook to the T.
Here is an idea that would lead to a better pathway for more significant changes. There is tons to be done but since smackdown turn to complete for crap and being no different from Main Event and so on, they need to turn that into a next step up or expansion from NXT in order to expand the NXT branding itself. In other words, get rid of Smackdown since the brand is so tainted, no thanks to them, and give it to Triple H to put it to NXT favour. That would hopefully open more opportunity for an expansive roster too, thus giving more time-off for the main cards to heal and enjoy themselves. Let's hope their salaries won't get affected either.
spawnsniper
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Is it because that one dude keeps adding people on his hurt list, whilst adding himself?
WM X-7, right after Vince bought WCW, they said "Hey, let's randomly turn Austin heel! At Wrestlemania! In Texas!! Align him with his longtime most hated archenemy Vince McMahon!" and throughout the Rock/Austin match they cheered Austin, and booed The Rock. That was mistake #1 in a long, loooong run of mistakes. (even though the heel Austin segments were entertaining)
they never fully recovered from that, and it's been bad decisions and downhill ever since
DarkArterialGore
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Yep, this week Naomi was dancing in the ring with the New Day who are in a rivalry with the Uso's which is stupid considering Jimmy Uso is her husband. WWE even had an on-screen dinner segment were Naomi & Jimmy had a couples dinner-date storyline with Kidd & Natalya live on RAW before FFS.
Keyser Soze
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This is not the issue. Please note that NXT is creating good content under a PG umbrella. NXT is building aggressive heel characters with PG in place. Less than one day ago NXT showed one man choking another man until he foamed from the mouth. This is all acceptable under PG. People do not need to be spouting blood to be aggressive and impactful. The likes of Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe would gain nothing from working in a TV-14 environment. Asuka is a highly aggressive female wrestler that was shown knocking another woman out with a kick to the head. She is a face, and a fun face, and it currently seems like she would literally kill anyone that would come near her. This was also achieved under PG, and I see no reason how her character would improve under TV-14.
PG works, and it works well. Nothing TV-14 offers instantly makes WWE better, it really just gives them new ways to fuck up - and they already have enough of those.
Strangelove77
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By "we" he probably means himself. HHH knows what's up.
Vince for all we know is probably ok with the show because its him running it and he believes he's right.
At this point the show would probably be better off if they let the show just kind of run itself. Let the wrestlers do whatever the hell they want. Turn it into an asylum if need be.
Your writers arent that good at writing and your wrestlers arent that good at acting. Let them improvise.
Also, cut the show to 2 hours, please. Hulu version style.
I really fucking miss Bryan and CM Punk. Its also sad that in any other era, Rollins would be super over. He should be big. But that writing. That damn writing.
Vince for all we know is probably ok with the show because its him running it and he believes he's right.
At this point the show would probably be better off if they let the show just kind of run itself. Let the wrestlers do whatever the hell they want. Turn it into an asylum if need be.
Your writers arent that good at writing and your wrestlers arent that good at acting. Let them improvise.
Also, cut the show to 2 hours, please. Hulu version style.
I really fucking miss Bryan and CM Punk. Its also sad that in any other era, Rollins would be super over. He should be big. But that writing. That damn writing.
It's entertaining watching the Monday Night Wars on the Network and realizing that WWE is making almost every mistake that they criticize WCW for doing.
CreeperBlocks
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I have a few things WWE can change:
Just make the Character Roman Reigns better. If Vince wants to push him,redesign the Character. Spear and Superman Punch are Terrible moves.
The Commentary is ass. Get rid of Byron Saxton, fire him or let him do something in the company that's not Commentary.
Oh and the Commercials holy shit is it bad. There was like 3 commercials in one match last time I watched RAW.
Just make the Character Roman Reigns better. If Vince wants to push him,redesign the Character. Spear and Superman Punch are Terrible moves.
The Commentary is ass. Get rid of Byron Saxton, fire him or let him do something in the company that's not Commentary.
Oh and the Commercials holy shit is it bad. There was like 3 commercials in one match last time I watched RAW.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
They don't know how to fix it. Ok.
Honest questions: What did anyone ever see in it and how does it differ now? I understand that its most popular among the least powerful people in society which makes sense as an absurd theatrical power fantasy. I know from youtube that its especially attractive to some people on the spectrum. But these are simple and partial explanations.
Talonz
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Because history is doomed to repeat itself.
Orton's injured. Won't be back until middle of next year at the very earliest. There's even a chance he could be out until 2017.
VanquishUK
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Since Punk left I haven't watched a single episode and enjoyed it (except the stuff with Brock and Paul Heyman).
Liquidsnake
Banned
I thought we were after good ideas?
She could be the hottest thing in a long long time!
Singularity42
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To fix this mess you need Vince to step away or god forbid die. Then you fire Dunn. Hire some writers that know wrestling. Let the wrestlers free wheel more.
Thats a start.
Thats a start.
I know! Need him back.
Strangelove77
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I just watch clips on YouTube. Basically watch the entire show in less than half an hour. Though only about 10 minutes is good.
And yeah, Brock is the best part of what the company does now. Everything that doesn't involve him isn't worth watching.
slightconfuse
Banned
maybe build up a credible heel and face. they just have a bunch of dorks on the main roster righ now
Orton needs shoulder surgery then neck surgery. So he's out roughly 16-18 months because has to recover from the former first.
Oh and as it's expected for me to say it:
Bring back the midcarders to do the smaller matches in-between the 'premiere' ones. Damien Sandow, Heath Slater, Curtis Axel. Doesn't matter if they're there to job, it adds variety on a weekly basis.
At the moment, it's the same guys and girls in the same match-ups week-in, week-out. Rotate the roster.
Bring back the midcarders to do the smaller matches in-between the 'premiere' ones. Damien Sandow, Heath Slater, Curtis Axel. Doesn't matter if they're there to job, it adds variety on a weekly basis.
At the moment, it's the same guys and girls in the same match-ups week-in, week-out. Rotate the roster.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
They should also bring back the Cruiserweight title
It doesn't matter who is the World Champion. The previous champion was arguably the most talented guy on the roster, yet everything was still bad.
Why do you want them to add more titles, when they can't properly book the titles they have now?
Keyser Soze
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They do. NXT is the current good version of WWEs product that is appealing to children, teenagers and adults. That style of product could work mainstream, but it would mean WWE would have to change many of the core ideals they have in place on their mainstream product.
The big issues with mainstream WWE is that they are scared for people to outright fail. They will either give people a chance and quickly pull them, or run an idea into the ground until it gains more acceptance. NXT is more reactionary and can adapt, but the main product currently lacks that. In NXT wrestlers can fail, learn from it, grow as a performer, and come back better. Failing on the main product means you are fucked.
A big change they could make on the main product is to give people a chance to fuck up and recover. People should not be afraid to fail, that means they are never going to try, and it means creative will never give them any risky material.
The more I think about it, the more I believe the main product cannot be fixed by patching wounds, it need to be rebuilt from the ground up with new ideals in place for everyone that works there - backstage and in the ring.
NXT is a great template to start from if they are willing to.
ratcliffja
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It was at its best when it had wrestlers who were either entertaining in the ring, on the mic, or both, and had compelling stories that people wanted to follow. The stories were never anything amazing, but at least they had some variety and surprises. The main problem is that they pushed the envelope so much that they had nowhere to go but back to a PG era in order for anything to be surprising anymore. They also have writers that cannot create interesting stories that we haven't seen over and over again already. They have a lot of wrestlers that could hold their own if given proper storylines, even if they don't have anybody who could likely rise to the level of Steve Austin or The Rock. If not for the fact that John Cena was able to break out while they still had decent writing, they would have no wrestlers who are recognized by those who don't otherwise follow wrestling.
Spider from Mars
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Most people who watch it either
A. Started watching as kids and never broke the habit
B. Have kids who watch it
C. Are a kid themselves.
I have no clue why an adult would start watching WWE in 2015 on their own without any previous care for wrestling.
Friend, there is no need to beat around the bush. You can say wrestling fans are poor, dumb, misogynist, racist rednecks. You won't offend us.
A huge issue is the 50/50 booking for every one except cena. Makes him look immortal while everyone else is crabs in the bucket. So then when he takes his yearly sabbatical we're left with people who are now unbelievable in the spot they've been jettisoned into because of said booking. Then it's hysteria until his return where we go back to square one. It's a cycle.
On and evil authority figures is so 1999. How many ways can we keep rehashing Austin vs the corporation without any of the things that made it we work.
On and evil authority figures is so 1999. How many ways can we keep rehashing Austin vs the corporation without any of the things that made it we work.
Bring back jobbers and enhancement talent.
Bring back managers.
Bring back heel stables competing for all of the gold.
Bring back a true heel commentator.
Bring back video packages and "Via Satellite" interviews to have the wrestlers on the show but not in action each week.
Don't put all of your wrestlers on TV each week. You have 5 hours of prime time TV split across two shows. You can give a bigger spotlight to certain feuds each week to make them all seem important.
Bring back managers.
Bring back heel stables competing for all of the gold.
Bring back a true heel commentator.
Bring back video packages and "Via Satellite" interviews to have the wrestlers on the show but not in action each week.
Don't put all of your wrestlers on TV each week. You have 5 hours of prime time TV split across two shows. You can give a bigger spotlight to certain feuds each week to make them all seem important.
megamerican
Member
I love how people always say this yet the only time the WWE has been relevant in the last 25 years was when it was decidedly edgier.
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
They need to bring back Hulk Hogan.
16 man tag match with like 4 commercial breaks was one of the worst RAW openings ever. Especially like 2 weeks after Survivor Series. LIke wtf man who does something like this? One of the dumbest fucking things I've ever seen. They deserve so much hate for that. I hope the ratings continue to drop.
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