BronsonLee
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Liamario
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I believe the call sheet, but I'm keeping an open mind until I see official info.
Probably dead because it was confirmed he was like 100 years ago.
Not bringing up the prophecy doesn't mean it's dead, it is mentioned countless times in the prequels and clone wars and it's not like those media no longer count.
It just means we don't have a clue what the prophecy meant. Today even said as much in ROTS.
Moff
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the call sheet said kylo is han's son? how?
Was that actually officially explained? Huh, didn't realize it. Was that why the Jedi couldn't see the future anymore? Don't remember hearing about this. Makes sense though.
They are in the corner with the people who are pissed that Luke is not doing some Epic Jedi Master Shit.
The scene of Kylo on the Falcon and when Kylo confronts Han.
The Elite
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I am sure it will get brought up in EU content surrounding the sequel trilogy but as far as the films go I don't think we will hear about it.
The prophecy is extremely vague and could have been misinterpreted. I never liked it's introduction though.
And Han having a breakdown when the Falcon crashes near the Starkiller Base.
George has said that the force by itself is light. The Sith corrupted the force.
Prophecy = Get rid of the thing corrupting the force.
Most people don't realize this because it wasn't mentioned around the time of any movie coming out.
Wouldn't that explanation of the prophecy be relegated to "Legends" status now, though? The story group could really go in any direction they wanted to at this point it seems. Also, it seems like the Mortis episodes kind of contradict that idea.
If George Lucas says something, it's canon. I think a lot of what the Mortis stuff meant is up for interpretation.
Kitschkraft
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That's a really cool power. I actually didn't know they could do that. Hope to see it in action in the film.
spookyfish
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I haven't read any spoilers, but I wanted to put my thoughts on what will happen here, before the movie comes out. I want to see how close I am to the "story" that Abrams will give us.
Finn will be witness to the Totally Not a Death Star's power, and will start to think "I'm on the wrong team."
He'll either high-jack a TIE during a battle, or he'll sneak aboard another craft, and crash on desert planet Jakku (just like another couple of characters did during a space battle ...).
He'll meet up with Rey (who wields a staff ... hmmmmmm ...) and Not Artoo, who will be looking for a way to get off planet to warn the Rebels (just like another couple of characters did on a desert planet)
They'll meet up with Old Han and Chewie, who will help them get off the planet in the Millennium Falcon (just like another couple of characters escaping a desert planet)
They'll meet up with the rebellion, and then they'll head out to find and destroy Not Death Star. Bad Cosplay Vader will hear from Completely Different Than the Emperor that the Force has Awakened -- whatever the fuck that means -- and now he'll be dispatched to take out .... Finn. (wink wink)
The reveal is -- not really a reveal, because the Lupita N'yongo character is very clearly talking to Rey in the trailer -- that REY is the Jedi-wannabe. She fights with Bad Cosplay Vader, and loses, is about to be executed.
In the only scene of the movie that I'm actually looking forward to, Luke Badass Jedi steps in and hopefully kills Bad Cosplay Vader without much trouble.
Oh, yeah. The Rebels will destroy the Not Death Star, but ... it will possibly lead to a "Dark Time for the Rebellion" as now Disney needs to rewrite Empire Strikes Back.
>sigh<
I'm expecting Avatar 2 to have more original story-telling than this.
The funny thing is Lucas haters will high-five and congratulate each other that "heh -- at least someone NEW wrote a good story after the prequels!" when essentially it seems Abrams just rewrote the story Lucas already gave us. Like Into Darkness.
EDIT: I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'll look at this post and think, "Well, I missed that mark." If I am, I'll admit it.
I don't think I will be, though.
EDIT EDIT: When Phasma makes her first appearance, there will be a "Aren't you tall for a stormtrooper" line.
Finn will be witness to the Totally Not a Death Star's power, and will start to think "I'm on the wrong team."
He'll either high-jack a TIE during a battle, or he'll sneak aboard another craft, and crash on desert planet Jakku (just like another couple of characters did during a space battle ...).
He'll meet up with Rey (who wields a staff ... hmmmmmm ...) and Not Artoo, who will be looking for a way to get off planet to warn the Rebels (just like another couple of characters did on a desert planet)
They'll meet up with Old Han and Chewie, who will help them get off the planet in the Millennium Falcon (just like another couple of characters escaping a desert planet)
They'll meet up with the rebellion, and then they'll head out to find and destroy Not Death Star. Bad Cosplay Vader will hear from Completely Different Than the Emperor that the Force has Awakened -- whatever the fuck that means -- and now he'll be dispatched to take out .... Finn. (wink wink)
The reveal is -- not really a reveal, because the Lupita N'yongo character is very clearly talking to Rey in the trailer -- that REY is the Jedi-wannabe. She fights with Bad Cosplay Vader, and loses, is about to be executed.
In the only scene of the movie that I'm actually looking forward to, Luke Badass Jedi steps in and hopefully kills Bad Cosplay Vader without much trouble.
Oh, yeah. The Rebels will destroy the Not Death Star, but ... it will possibly lead to a "Dark Time for the Rebellion" as now Disney needs to rewrite Empire Strikes Back.
>sigh<
I'm expecting Avatar 2 to have more original story-telling than this.
The funny thing is Lucas haters will high-five and congratulate each other that "heh -- at least someone NEW wrote a good story after the prequels!" when essentially it seems Abrams just rewrote the story Lucas already gave us. Like Into Darkness.
EDIT: I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'll look at this post and think, "Well, I missed that mark." If I am, I'll admit it.
I don't think I will be, though.
EDIT EDIT: When Phasma makes her first appearance, there will be a "Aren't you tall for a stormtrooper" line.
BronsonLee
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The above post will become absolutely hilarious in 3...2...
Inferno313
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Don't worry it already is.
JimJamJones
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kaiju
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May have hit a few marks, mostly wrong on the events of Act 3 though.
I've never seen someone being wrong on a climax prediction this hard before.
The beginning is similar to what you described.
If George said something but it didn't actually appear in Films/Clone Wars it's not canon.
JJ was a genius getting the whole "Vader fanboy" phrase out there. People are going to have no real idea how bad ass he is.
Did you watch the original trilogy at all? It happened. People just assumed both the Jedi and Sith brought imbalance. And they were wrong.
Did you watch the original trilogy at all? It happened. People just assumed both the Jedi and Sith brought imbalance. And they were wrong.
It's my understanding that this is no longer the case. It has to appear in some form of story group approved media for it to be canon. I could be wrong though.
Glass Shark
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I find it really funny how people are reacting to Kylo. It's like they think he can't possibly be powerful or have the Force or use a real lightsaber.
Sorry, the dude in black with the cool mask you liked as a kid isn't the only powerful Force user in town.
Sorry, the dude in black with the cool mask you liked as a kid isn't the only powerful Force user in town.
ViewtifulJC
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You've made a lot of dumb posts in the past spookyfish, but I think this might be your masterpiece. Its all downhill for your drive-by shit posts now!
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
You will be quite surprised.
Confirmed that JoJo poses make you one with the Force.
Freewheelin'
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Amazing how predictability seems such a negative aspect now. I mean, its Star Wars. Good guys vs bad guys. There isn't very many ways this can go.
Plus, it is mind-boggling the amount of people who worry Abrams is rehashing shit and yet they clamour for Luke to be old bad-ass Obi Wan Jedi Knight.
Plus, it is mind-boggling the amount of people who worry Abrams is rehashing shit and yet they clamour for Luke to be old bad-ass Obi Wan Jedi Knight.
Inferno313
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To be fair, Lucas gave himself multiple chances to prove that, and fucked up each time. That said, Kylo is going to be great. I've been convinced of that since Driver was cast.
The wrong is strong.
HAN SOLO DIES
This is something he said years ago. And Pablo on the story board has also tried to explain this exact same thing to people. It's not that complicated to understand.
There is the Force. The Jedi use it. The Sith corrupt it causing an imbalance. To bring balance to the force you need to get rid of the thing corrupting it causing an imbalance.
tiredheadcrab
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The reddit users over at Star Wars Leaks are an interesting bunch. They seem to be in denial about Han Solo dying and how much screen time Luke will get. Some seem to think Han will be wounded that it will force him into retirement and wont appear in other films and he'll just ride off into the sunset somewhere. That just wont work because then they will ask for him to come back and Ford probably just wont want to.
Yeah the original Star Wars was meant to be generic. It followed the "Hero's Journey" step by step and Lucas tried making all the characters fall into specific archetypes
Scientist Supreme!
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Eh. I disagree with that.
It's possible to do so but I doubt many will want that.
Wookiepedia: The Chosen One said:
It's from Wookiepedia so I'm not sure how correct it is s there's lots of weird stuff on there. Still, seems like there's some contradiction in what George was saying. The Chosen One prophecy doesn't really seem like it's all that clear cut in the canon.
ViewtifulJC
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That's not even a criticism. Spookyfish is one of those guys who says Avatar is bad because it has plot elements that are like another story, or Skyfall reminded him of Dark Knight Rises, or Into Darkness was a lot like Wrath of Khan in the last 10 minutes. "Hey, I recognize a thing in here to be similar to another thing! That means this thing is bad!" isn't even a discussion point...its nothing.
Its just one of those easy snark handwavey thing people do when they don't want to actually think about a movie critically, or have any real conversation at all.
JimJamJones
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Well, to be fair, Avatar does have the same plot as 2 or 3 other major movies.
Moff
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who decides that?
ROTJ has always been criticized for being too similiar to ANH.
it will be the same here.
ViewtifulJC
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and that means it bad right
because the plot was familiar to the plot in another movie
ROTJ gets criticized for being a cartoon with lame plot contrivances, a boring 20 minute 80s kids cartoon starring teddy bears in the middle, a useless 40 minute opening sequence, and utterly wasting two of the three main characters. The fact that there was another Death Star is not the reason RotJ isn't good.
graffix13
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On second thought, I really hope Kylo does not get redeemed at the end of the ST. Killing Han and slicing up Finn is in the "unforgivable" category IMO.
I also hope he doesn't know that Vader turned good in the last moments of his life. I'd like to think that Luke only shared that with Leia and no one else.
I also hope he doesn't know that Vader turned good in the last moments of his life. I'd like to think that Luke only shared that with Leia and no one else.
JimJamJones
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Bad? No. A tad unoriginal? Sure.
Really ROTJ and ANH, both start on a desert planet ?
A lot of people think that. A lot of people are wrong.
Moff
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I don't necessarily disagree with this, those are all flaws of ROTJ, however, in my experience the second death star is still the one that's brought up the most. and my guess is it will be the same with TFA, but we'll see next week.
I don't think that's in the cards. Kathleen Kennedy said this series was about "compassion," so it seems a little unlikely that the main characters (especially Luke) are just going to give up on Kylo and kill him.
What would be a more interesting route for the writers to take is have Kylo realize he's wrong, but instead of dying in the process, he lives and has to make amends for the rest of his life.
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