CassidyIzABeast
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Is Maz's CG as poor as Supreme Leader Oz?
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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we.are.the.armada
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He gets impaled through the chest while going in for a hug with his son Kylo. It looks really painful and then he plummets off a walkway into an abyss.
So they don't find a body......
Shanks D Zoro
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The Kylo Rey fight pissed me off so much.
At times on screen he showed himself to be arguably the most powerful force user we have seen, and next thing we know he gets destroyed by a girl who just picked up a lighsaber for the first time.
I know he is wounded, but it still should have been over relatively easy.
Secret Fawful
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Where will you rank him when they make him turn to the Dark Side in VIII?
They'll have me rooting for the bad guys if that happens.
The First Order is mainly dominating the Outer Rim territory, which is outside of the realm of the Republic.
Basically they aren't concerned with them because they aren't directly threatening the Republic. Then in the movie, the Starkiller Base destroys the Republic's homeworld and shit goes down, lol.
The Resistance is like a private army of some sort lead by people in the Republic who wanted to take care of the FIrst Order, against the Republic's wishes.
digoutyoursoul
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Soundtrack
http://m.itemvn.com/song/?s=005597494F
Other tracks down the page
Not feeling it to be honest, lacks something
http://m.itemvn.com/song/?s=005597494F
Other tracks down the page
Not feeling it to be honest, lacks something
captainpat
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So from what I'm hearing and seeing Finn's nowhere near as cool as I thought he was gonna be.
Shanks D Zoro
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Flow-Walker
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Does it still cut to Leia when Han is stabbed, or was that removed too?
Bobby Roberts
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Finn better be Training Day and Man on Fire (minus the ending :3) level's of Denzel in the sequels to make up for the fuckery in The Force Awakens.
So dude's going to strike out on Rey and settle down with a stripper?
Rey is a good fighter and the force is strong in her, did you missed all the time she kicked butts with her staff ? I think the movie was pretty clear from the beginning that she was already a good lone wolf fighter who can manage herself, Kylo even said that she's awakens to the force and become stronger every seconds.
During all the fight she never had the upper-hand until she start to used the force at her full momentum potential, Kylo Ren is like a beast, full of anger, hurts and messy when Rey is calm, on the defensive and the force is in her side, never saw a problem here.
I don't remember people having problem with Luke doing more than ok vs Vador at the time, Luke is OP as hell, especially without sword training.
hobblygobbly
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Film isn't as gory/explicit as the original trilogy, it's a much more PG death. It was a lightsabre but you mostly have a close up of Han's face.
However, there are a few sudden surprises/jump scare scenes, there was a young girl (about 9-11) sitting next to me and she jumped out of her seat a couple of times from a sudden fright, think it was around the scene with that tentacle creature with those teeth (at first I thought it was a Dianoga or something but seems to be something new). Probably the most intense part of the film I think for a kid.
Hmm, the more I listen to it the more I love it. The warm pastoral writing for Rey really anchors it, and the sinister Ren theme really propels it.
The main issue I'm finding is there's too many tracks, too much music, so the best stuff is watered down a bit. Williams normally likes to craft shorter album listening experiences, and he may be right to do so. But anyway I'm glad with what we have.
Please note some of the tracks are named incorrectly. "Rey's Theme" is definitely not lol
Kaneda Shotaro
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So is Luke's lightsaber in Maz's castle where Rey finds it or was placed in BB-8 in the opening on Jakku?
And how do they decipher where Luke is? Because R2 all of a sudden realizes something? Or does Rey have something to do with it?
And how do they decipher where Luke is? Because R2 all of a sudden realizes something? Or does Rey have something to do with it?
phazedplasma
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scherzo for x wings is great, jedi steps is great, reys theme is great. Lots to build on imo
digoutyoursoul
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It's by no means bad but I don't find anything outstanding or feels. I'll give it a few more listens. I won't be cancelling my iTunes pre order or anything like that
Bobby Roberts
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When does Hiller striking out happen in Independence Day?
Hell, when does that happen in The Force Awakens?
Shanks D Zoro
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She is a good fighter, but she is going up against someone who has presumably spent his whole life learning about the force and training to use a lightsaber.
Vader was toying with Luke in ESB. Vader takes his hand the moment Luke lays a real hit on him. Luke had also been training before films.
The lightsaber is in a chest in Maz's castle.
R2 wakes up all of a sudden. As far as I can remember.
The whole point of Star Wars is clear cut old school mythical good vs evil though. Remove that and it isnt Star Wars anymore.
The very core of Star Wars is a good vs evil fight.
It is epic fantasy in space.
eot
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The movie was exactly what I expected, it felt like a loose remake of A New Hope with bits of the other movies sparkled in here and there. The empire searching for a droid with critcal info on a desert planet, a hero trapped in a shitty life on said planet who leaves on the Falcon, the trench run, Luke's exact same fucking saber being forced pulled out of the snow, a stormtrooper taking his helmet off and rescuing someone off an imperial ship, the motivator dying on the falcon, a poor recreation of the cantina scene, a planet killer that's about to blow up the rebel base and to top it all off the old hero dying to Darth Vader Mk II while the youngin's watch on (anyone who didn't see that coming must be blind).
It was too much for me. There's just not enough in the movie that stands on it own, that isn't an appeal to nostalgia. I liked Rey even though little of what she did felt plausible, going from not being able to take off to flying through a crashed Star Destoyer, not knowing what the force is to mind tricking a stomtrooper with no training and then beating a sith punk. I mean it was an okay movie but they could not have played it any safer. The biggest creative risk they took was that stupid light saber design. I genuinely believe that. Let's hope whoever's directing and writing the next one will be a little more bold.
New aliens were kinda lame, I didn't like the monster chase at all and the thing with the glasses looked like it belonged in Ep. 1, as did the junk dealer. Opening scene, a bit meh. It was gritty, but the rest of the movie didn't have the same tone. The villain was probably my least favourite part honestly, he's just not menacing at all and felt like an emo Darth Vader. The action scenes were alright, Falcon chase was surprisingly good, and while I didn't love the saber fight at the end (and how Finn didn't die instantly), it didn't devolve into the dance choreography wankery that the prequels did. That's the thing I'm most thankful for.
My tl;dr is:
Forgettable, too much nostalgia but the new characters have potential and the sequels could be good.
It was too much for me. There's just not enough in the movie that stands on it own, that isn't an appeal to nostalgia. I liked Rey even though little of what she did felt plausible, going from not being able to take off to flying through a crashed Star Destoyer, not knowing what the force is to mind tricking a stomtrooper with no training and then beating a sith punk. I mean it was an okay movie but they could not have played it any safer. The biggest creative risk they took was that stupid light saber design. I genuinely believe that. Let's hope whoever's directing and writing the next one will be a little more bold.
New aliens were kinda lame, I didn't like the monster chase at all and the thing with the glasses looked like it belonged in Ep. 1, as did the junk dealer. Opening scene, a bit meh. It was gritty, but the rest of the movie didn't have the same tone. The villain was probably my least favourite part honestly, he's just not menacing at all and felt like an emo Darth Vader. The action scenes were alright, Falcon chase was surprisingly good, and while I didn't love the saber fight at the end (and how Finn didn't die instantly), it didn't devolve into the dance choreography wankery that the prequels did. That's the thing I'm most thankful for.
My tl;dr is:
Forgettable, too much nostalgia but the new characters have potential and the sequels could be good.
Darth Simp!
Secret Fawful
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He's gonna strap Ben to a table and torture him like Gerard Butler in Law Abiding Citizen.
But what if the stripper is Vivica A. Fox?
I have to say... there are hints of Vader's theme in it, and somehow it also sounds a bit like Yoda's theme.
If you listen to "Rey's Theme" (mislabelled as "Follow Me" on that link), at around 0:46 there is a clear statement of her main melodic line, it's about five notes long, repeated again lower (and then a third time a bit different). Notes 3, 4 and 5 have intervallic roots in Vader's theme. And the general arc and sonority of the five notes sound like Yoda's theme.
(There's also a clear statement of this theme at the end of The Scavenger.)
Not sure how it could possibly relate to anything or if it's just a coincidence. If anything you'd think it may sound like Luke, Leia or Han's themes but none of it does.
Edit: actually the more I think of it, the more it bears similarities with Kylo Ren's theme. But if they're siblings that will surely be a roll-eyes moment?
Edit 2: Duh. It IS also Kylo Ren's theme. Edit 3: It doesn't seem quite as likely that she'd be Leia's daughter than she would be Luke's daughter, though, right?
So I basically did a small round in the cinema after the movie, asking people what they thought, and I heard several times over how Kylo Ren seems to have no resemblance whatsoever to either Han Solo or Leia. I guess they might be right? Maybe Driver was casted more for looking both sort of vulnerable/sad and angry.
Shanks D Zoro
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Kaneda Shotaro
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I'm thinking it has something to with Rey, maybe something to do with him activating when she's there on Luke's orders?
Luke was a farmer who dreams about being an adventurer when Rey is already an adventurer and I'm talking about Luke in general ( not only in ESB ), Anakin is suppose to be a super beast and lose against his son who learned everything in less than 4 years without really having a real master lol.
Rey and Kylo are about the same age and I agree with the fact that Ren is suppose to have a better training but like I said before, when was the last time he fought someone with his saber ? he's leading the Stormtroopers and Jedi are long gone, it's a non issue for me.
AtomnayaKlubnika
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That's actually a very plausible explanation.
I don't agree with that at all. There's a reason Han Solo is one of the most the franchise's most cherished characters, and him not being the bastion of morality is a big reason why.
A Martin Luther King Jr / Malcolm X aspect to Star Wars wouldn't make Star Wars any less Star Wars.
Rey doing Jedi mind tricks already? lol
Anakin is damn near dead in the OT. Most of his Force potential is done. Luke spends a good amount of time learning from Yoda and even then gets wrecked by Vader in ESB. It's only in RotJ that Luke is mostly proficient and even then, Vader throws a few surprises like the lightsaber toss.
Anakin is damn near dead in the OT. Most of his Force potential is done. Luke spends a good amount of time learning from Yoda and even then gets wrecked by Vader in ESB. It's only in RotJ that Luke is mostly proficient and even then, Vader throws a few surprises like the lightsaber toss.
Just saw it. Really liked it. Some of the jokes and references work others don't.
Finn is fine, seriously he's not defined as the comedic relief. He's just really funny from time to time and Boyega delivers his lines perfectly. But he's far from the guy that keeps making jokes.
The character that is a joke is Phasma. She's literally ROTJ Boba Fett tier. When you first see her, damn cool. By then end, what a joke. Seriously I hope Johnson fixes her, because for all the interviews announcing her as the first female villains she falls completely flat.
I like that some stuff remain unexplained but Poe really felt underdeveloped. Like make him a proper character or make him Wedge, he's now something in between.
Overall I liked it. Doesn't beat ANH or ESB though.
Finn is fine, seriously he's not defined as the comedic relief. He's just really funny from time to time and Boyega delivers his lines perfectly. But he's far from the guy that keeps making jokes.
The character that is a joke is Phasma. She's literally ROTJ Boba Fett tier. When you first see her, damn cool. By then end, what a joke. Seriously I hope Johnson fixes her, because for all the interviews announcing her as the first female villains she falls completely flat.
I like that some stuff remain unexplained but Poe really felt underdeveloped. Like make him a proper character or make him Wedge, he's now something in between.
Overall I liked it. Doesn't beat ANH or ESB though.
JimJamJones
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For people who've seen the movie, is the climax of The Jedi Steps (where Rey meets Luke) rushed in the movie as much as it sounds on the soundtrack?
digoutyoursoul
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Maybe his real father and mother are someone else ;-)
It's like Ant-Man when controlling the ants, just think about what you want them to do and use the force, nothing really special and like some else say, she could have learn from Kylo.
Lan Dong Mik
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I've looked at her sort of as this trilogies Boba Fett. I mean, Boba Fett really didn't say a whole lot, shit we never even saw him without his mask on, and the character is beloved by Star Wars fans. I'm fine with Phasma just being an evil bad ass without really having much character development.
Luke doesn't pull anything like that until RotJ and my feeling was that it was fairly advanced as the user had to dominate the mind of the other, hence the victim needing to be weak-willed.
Like what the hell does she need to learn from Luke? Force Storm?
Shanks D Zoro
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lol, maybe you are right, but I think you are doing Luke a disservice as he was quite adventurous already as we learn from bits and pieces in ANH
ESB Boba I agree. ROTJ Boba that flimsily got himself thrown into the Sarlacc pit by a blind Han I do not and Phasma is closer to the latter than the former.
Chained Prometheus
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I'm a bit frustrated; someone over at TFN saw the film early and is somehow still convinced that Rey is Han and Leia's daughter, because "they never say they didn't have a daughter in the film."
The general consensus here is that Rey is either Luke's daughter or she's Random, right?
The general consensus here is that Rey is either Luke's daughter or she's Random, right?
Rey is a Skywalker, no?
I mean, the saga is about Skywalkers... yet Finn and Poe certainly aren't Skywalkers. Kylo Ren is a Skywalker but he is the villain so i think he doesn't count as the main Skywalker.
This leaves Rey.
And stuff in the film really hint at her being one. She's drawn to Anakin's lightsaber, she has a Force vision, she is a natural Force user (or has repressed memories about using the Force). Heck, the title of the film refers to her really. (Her Force abilities can be explained with her being a Skywalker who are traditionally strong in the Force.)
As a side note, i loved Kylo Ren's ability with stasis fields (strictly speaking just a specific application of telekinesis). The way he was introduced freezing a blaster bolt... that was so great!
I mean, the saga is about Skywalkers... yet Finn and Poe certainly aren't Skywalkers. Kylo Ren is a Skywalker but he is the villain so i think he doesn't count as the main Skywalker.
This leaves Rey.
And stuff in the film really hint at her being one. She's drawn to Anakin's lightsaber, she has a Force vision, she is a natural Force user (or has repressed memories about using the Force). Heck, the title of the film refers to her really. (Her Force abilities can be explained with her being a Skywalker who are traditionally strong in the Force.)
As a side note, i loved Kylo Ren's ability with stasis fields (strictly speaking just a specific application of telekinesis). The way he was introduced freezing a blaster bolt... that was so great!
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