darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Nah, Luke is gonna teach her to become a Jedi which means no relationships of any kind.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Nah, Luke is gonna teach her to become a Jedi which means no relationships of any kind.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Sounds like this movie focuses way more on plot than world building. That's fine - I'm sure there will be a lot of EU books out.
Gwendolyn Christie said she was the Boba Fett of the film. But Phasma is in episode 8.
Huw_Dawson
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Ending spoilers:
Okay, so here is the rant about the ending.
Firstly: the ending is botched. The movie should wipe to the credits when Raye and Chewbacca leave, with the arriving on Luke's Scottish island being a post-credit scene.
Secondly: Han Solo dies ignobly because he's apparently a massive moron.
Thirdly: Finn apparently survives getting chopped in the back with a lightsaber. I hope he enjoys his space wheelchair in Episode 8.
Fourthly: Remember the hype about this being the first movie which will see the original trio together in thirty years? This never happens, and now will never happen because Han Solo died because he was a moron.
Fifthly: Man, Kylo gets a lot of lucky breaks, doesn't he? He fails All-New Palpatine, what, three times in this movie? "I'mma finish your training now" IF HIS TRAINING WAS INCOMPLETE WHY ARE YOU HAVING HIM ROAM THE GALAXY
Sixthly: Why was I able to predict Han would die AS SOON AS THEY LANDED ON SNOW DEATH STAR. AND THEN IT HAPPENED EXACTLY AS I PREDICTED.
SEVEN: WHY DOES THIS MOVIE RUN OUT OF ORIGINAL IDEAS AFTER TEN MINUTES INTO THE OPENING ACT
Seriously: "Hey let's set these charges" - Huw thinks "oh hey, there's a giant bottomless pit here. I guess Han's gonna die and fall into that."
It shouldn't feel like I've already seen this movie before.
Okay, so here is the rant about the ending.
Firstly: the ending is botched. The movie should wipe to the credits when Raye and Chewbacca leave, with the arriving on Luke's Scottish island being a post-credit scene.
Secondly: Han Solo dies ignobly because he's apparently a massive moron.
Thirdly: Finn apparently survives getting chopped in the back with a lightsaber. I hope he enjoys his space wheelchair in Episode 8.
Fourthly: Remember the hype about this being the first movie which will see the original trio together in thirty years? This never happens, and now will never happen because Han Solo died because he was a moron.
Fifthly: Man, Kylo gets a lot of lucky breaks, doesn't he? He fails All-New Palpatine, what, three times in this movie? "I'mma finish your training now" IF HIS TRAINING WAS INCOMPLETE WHY ARE YOU HAVING HIM ROAM THE GALAXY
Sixthly: Why was I able to predict Han would die AS SOON AS THEY LANDED ON SNOW DEATH STAR. AND THEN IT HAPPENED EXACTLY AS I PREDICTED.
SEVEN: WHY DOES THIS MOVIE RUN OUT OF ORIGINAL IDEAS AFTER TEN MINUTES INTO THE OPENING ACT
Seriously: "Hey let's set these charges" - Huw thinks "oh hey, there's a giant bottomless pit here. I guess Han's gonna die and fall into that."
It shouldn't feel like I've already seen this movie before.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Anyone?
No, Finn stays at the Resistance base. She explicitly says goodbye to him at the base, why would she do that if she were to take him with her? Medical treatment on the Falcon is non existant, so of course he stays at the base.
About Kylo: First time is when Snoke tells him that his father is on the Falcon. In the Darth Vader scene he just talks to his grandfather - which happens later.
Huw_Dawson
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Just being careful.
pauljeremiah
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Just home from seeing it. I really enjoyed it.
My only major issue is the way the Han Solo and his son plot point was handled, I think we were told too soon that he was his son. It would have been better if he didn't remove the helmet/mask until they met on the foot bridge, and then have the reveal that Han is his father. Would have created a better emotional shock and really add a gut punch to what happens after that.
Otherwise I really did enjoy it. A solid 4/5 stars.
My only major issue is the way the Han Solo and his son plot point was handled, I think we were told too soon that he was his son. It would have been better if he didn't remove the helmet/mask until they met on the foot bridge, and then have the reveal that Han is his father. Would have created a better emotional shock and really add a gut punch to what happens after that.
Otherwise I really did enjoy it. A solid 4/5 stars.
BronsonLee
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I've been avoiding everything but trailers so I was just going by the fact that she looked cool in them
BewareTheBatsie
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Just noticed something. In A New Hope Leia was in cell 2187. Finn's Stormtrooper title/number was FN-2187.
The character was added later in filming. It was originally concept art for Kylo Ren.
BronsonLee
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...WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE
My thoughts about the reveals, of how and why.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=189568430&highlight=#post189568430
Two prototype tanks never used. Japan made far bigger submarines. Eeeh.
In general, they all went for bigger better and the approach by the Nazis was not "Our ideas are not flawed we must go bigger". That is just a really weird thing to say.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Nah man.
Marvel can keep that post-credits bullshit. Movie stuff should go IN THE MOVIE.
4: well we did see them together at ComicCon!
5: It's better than them wasting a villain by killing him off in the first movie like they did with Darth Maul. Also, i think this bratty, not quite ready for prime-time, yet overconfident thing was kinda intentional.
6: I could predict it as soon as Han was the "wise mentor / father figure who introduced the 'Luke' character to their adventure / the force" Ben Kenobi kind of guy of this movie. Also the fact that Ford was so active in pre-release marketing kinda made it seem like he knew it was a one-off thing
Kaneda Shotaro
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Highly doubt this. He probably knows the mistakes of the past. The new Jedi cannot be as dogmatic as the ones in the order in the prequels, it will just lead to the same problems.
I know I keep pushing it but I uh ahem was the first to mention a love triangle as being an angle for Rey/Finn in 8/9. A while ago. And everybody thought that was stupid. But it's obviously going to happen.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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The ending was flawed. We should have been forced to watch the credits before being allowed to finish the movie.
Indeed.
Stingers feel overused nowadays... (though some of that overuse feeling for me comes from video games)
In the spoiler thread after already seeing the movie?
BewareTheBatsie
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Does anyone know what role Billie Lourd (Carrie Fisher's daughter) had in the movie? I know she was supposed to be in it but did anyone catch who she played?
yes. If they want, they can put a teaser for next years franchise movie there.
BronsonLee
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NO YOU NEED TO ESCAP-oh you've seen it well n/m
She was a tech or some such in the Resistance base. Had one line of dialogue.
She was in the control room at the resistance base.
chicko1983
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Just saw the movie, it needs more trade federation and senate politicking.
nah, just kidding.
I really enjoyed it. Its not the "best movie eva!" but its easily better than any of the PT and could trump ANH and ROTJ for me.
I loved Rey and Finn chemistry.
The death to Han took me by surprise - I honestly thought at that stage that he was going to get Kylo to come back with him.
The humor was good and didnt go overboard. The call backs to the original series with the chess game, C3PO and R2, the music, the other returning characters were all well handled in my opinion.
It could have been a more original final act but I wasnt disappointed in it.
Really now intrigued with Snoke. Is he supposed to be really big or is that just the hologram? Cant wait to see both the dark and light sides training in the next episode.
The biggest disappointment for me was Luke not actually doing anything until the very end. I wanted to see how powerful he has become.
The next film is well set up.
nah, just kidding.
I really enjoyed it. Its not the "best movie eva!" but its easily better than any of the PT and could trump ANH and ROTJ for me.
I loved Rey and Finn chemistry.
The death to Han took me by surprise - I honestly thought at that stage that he was going to get Kylo to come back with him.
The humor was good and didnt go overboard. The call backs to the original series with the chess game, C3PO and R2, the music, the other returning characters were all well handled in my opinion.
It could have been a more original final act but I wasnt disappointed in it.
Really now intrigued with Snoke. Is he supposed to be really big or is that just the hologram? Cant wait to see both the dark and light sides training in the next episode.
The biggest disappointment for me was Luke not actually doing anything until the very end. I wanted to see how powerful he has become.
The next film is well set up.
You sure about that height?
BewareTheBatsie
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Thank you both for the answers!
Give or take a few inches sure.
fly high ~ayunite~
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So just saw it.
From start to finish...how much time progresses? It seems like everything happened over like a weekend? No one seemed to sleep.
The dialogue between Lelia and Han was Lucas levels of bad. They might as well have just flashed "THE BAD GUY IS THEIR SON" in big letters across the screen.
Was that Martha from Dr. Who on the republic planet that blew up?
In all, it was fucking awesome.
From start to finish...how much time progresses? It seems like everything happened over like a weekend? No one seemed to sleep.
The dialogue between Lelia and Han was Lucas levels of bad. They might as well have just flashed "THE BAD GUY IS THEIR SON" in big letters across the screen.
Was that Martha from Dr. Who on the republic planet that blew up?
In all, it was fucking awesome.
Based on...?
Han's death makes perfect sense. He is trying desperately to save his son and is deceived by his sons actions. Kylo is talking about how he might be too weak to actually kill Han and do his job but emotionally conflicted Han instead hears a son who is desperately trying to fight against the dark and come home.
JimmyRustler
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You answer too many questions of me with new questions? Maybe she learn the mind tricks from here... Maybe Rey is good at teaching herself.
That is not how it's supposed to work. Most other writers (Lindelof anyone?) get teared a new one for stuff like this. Why just give it a free pass here? Sorry, but this is lazy exposition. I'm sure more will be explained in the sequels but there were just too many question marks here. That is not how a good script is written. We should be made curious what happens next and not wait for an explaination of what we just have seen.
snoopeasystreet
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I really enjoyed it. I'll probably watch it again in the cinema over Christmas.
Only thing that felt kind of off to me was quickly the film moves. It never really takes it's foot off the accelerator.
Only thing that felt kind of off to me was quickly the film moves. It never really takes it's foot off the accelerator.
BronsonLee
Member
He pulled his massive 6'8 penis out and Snoke was taller
Or he eyeballed it, who gives a damn
Andy Serkis telling us this in multiple articles.
Huw_Dawson
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Hell, I can go on with this movie's flaws.
Was it me or were the first two acts of the film basically "scene" -> "not-Empire arrive and screw stuff up" -> "scene"
Also, was it me or did Kylo Ren have the capacity to teleport at will? He was badly wounded, but managed to ambush Reye in the forest in the final act.00
Also, wasn't it a bit of an omega-tier coincidence that the forest planet had the the Resistance base on it when Han only landed there to hand them off to people who could get them to the Resistance?
Also, why should I care about the Republic being nuked? We never see them in this movie other than the being nuked bit, which is also a rip off of ANH.
Also, if the not-Empire had a giant evil space laser which could obliterate the New Republic homeworld, couldn't they just bloodlessly take over the New Republic? They can kill them at will, and they just nuked a major city world place.
Also, why are most of the character backstories either not-existent or just told to us?
Also, why bother have Poe 'die' when the X-Wing crashes when it's not only incredibly obvious that he's not going to have died (Hey, Finn, you found the jacket the dude was wearing OUTSIDE OF THE SHIP, SANS BLOOD OR BODY PARTS.) but it's actually way more interesting if he and Finn buddy up.
Also, if Finn was programmed from birth to be a soldier, why did he actually decide not to be evil? Act of God willed it?
Also, if the giant map that R2-D2 has is just the map of the galaxy, how on earth does it make sense that the fragment of map that BB-8 has is unknown?
Also, how does the Empire apparently have all of the rest of the map, if the not-Empire managed to get it? If the Empire was destroyed before Luke went into hiding, how could Empire archives give them the rest of the map?
Also, why does R2-D2 only have all of the map but one bit?
Also, how did the map fragment actually come into the possession of the old man from the Civilisation V cinematic, and what is he doing in this movie?
Also, how did Finn manage to wander through a totally empty desert and manage to find his way to a settlement?
Oh man, this movie's plot...
Kylo Ren is on record as betraying Luke, Han's closest friend, and he'd just finished telling Padme that their son had too much Vader in him.
Han's death in this was him being an idiot and I can't feel bad for a character that acts that dumb. Han practically deserves his galaxy's version of a Darwin Award - which he'd be disqualified for because he's already bred.
Was it me or were the first two acts of the film basically "scene" -> "not-Empire arrive and screw stuff up" -> "scene"
Also, was it me or did Kylo Ren have the capacity to teleport at will? He was badly wounded, but managed to ambush Reye in the forest in the final act.00
Also, wasn't it a bit of an omega-tier coincidence that the forest planet had the the Resistance base on it when Han only landed there to hand them off to people who could get them to the Resistance?
Also, why should I care about the Republic being nuked? We never see them in this movie other than the being nuked bit, which is also a rip off of ANH.
Also, if the not-Empire had a giant evil space laser which could obliterate the New Republic homeworld, couldn't they just bloodlessly take over the New Republic? They can kill them at will, and they just nuked a major city world place.
Also, why are most of the character backstories either not-existent or just told to us?
Also, why bother have Poe 'die' when the X-Wing crashes when it's not only incredibly obvious that he's not going to have died (Hey, Finn, you found the jacket the dude was wearing OUTSIDE OF THE SHIP, SANS BLOOD OR BODY PARTS.) but it's actually way more interesting if he and Finn buddy up.
Also, if Finn was programmed from birth to be a soldier, why did he actually decide not to be evil? Act of God willed it?
Also, if the giant map that R2-D2 has is just the map of the galaxy, how on earth does it make sense that the fragment of map that BB-8 has is unknown?
Also, how does the Empire apparently have all of the rest of the map, if the not-Empire managed to get it? If the Empire was destroyed before Luke went into hiding, how could Empire archives give them the rest of the map?
Also, why does R2-D2 only have all of the map but one bit?
Also, how did the map fragment actually come into the possession of the old man from the Civilisation V cinematic, and what is he doing in this movie?
Also, how did Finn manage to wander through a totally empty desert and manage to find his way to a settlement?
Oh man, this movie's plot...
Kylo Ren is on record as betraying Luke, Han's closest friend, and he'd just finished telling Padme that their son had too much Vader in him.
Han's death in this was him being an idiot and I can't feel bad for a character that acts that dumb. Han practically deserves his galaxy's version of a Darwin Award - which he'd be disqualified for because he's already bred.
People have different priorities to you it seems. The characters and sense of adventure was great. Star Wars works better at the small scale this had imo.
HeavyMetalLover91
Member
the ending was bullshit. Mark Hammil said something along the lines that he has a huge secret that he's keeping and why he's not being shown in the promo material..... Then we get.. fucking nothing. She goes up the hill, shows him Anakin's lightsaber... cut to credits. Wtf. Not even a bit of dialogue about him recognising her or some shit (so obvious she's his daughter). Kinda sick of movies these days drawing out these questions over several films. Fucking annoying. Enjoyed it otherwise, but still. Really disappointed with Luke's reveal.
chicko1983
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I tried to keep my eyes open during the control room as I had seen the set pic of her in the control room.
However, the best look of her is towards the end when they are celebrating outside. She is near the front of the crowd when Rey and Leia hug I reckon.
Mark Hamill was clear that people should not get hyped about Luke, that he wouldn't have a big role in the film. And he was right.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Do we know who the old man in the beginning of the movie is, the one who gives the map to Poe?
I was thinking it's Luke's step brother?
I was thinking it's Luke's step brother?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Let me whisper the heresy that has so far gone unmentioned. I've seen people dance around the edges of it, and feint towards it, but they never actually throw the punch:
Giacchino probably should have just done the score.
Giacchino probably should have just done the score.
BronsonLee
Member
Shit, Speed Racer should've told you fuckers that already
By the way, I'd like to talk to you all about how Speed Racer is a better movie than Star Wars: The Force Awakens
I agree with you here, but I'm also left wondering what the point of the Not-Death Star was. It's a bigger, more powerful death star that gets taken out by some other characters while Rey and Finn fight Kylo Ren. I don't think the movie needed the scene where it was destroyed because it's such a powerful thing but also completely insignificant.
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