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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
It was.
Some nobjockey is spoiling it for people on FB and actually said:
Kasper James Stewart: Discussing plot and "what happens" is still discussion. Whether you want to know or not is irrelevant.
Kasper James Stewart Basically: their right to speak trumps your desire to remain ignorant.
Imagine being this moronic?
Messypandas
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Absolute gut feeling, but 100% certain its him. Hes got very specific intonations. Especially the way he says "dropping my weapon". If anyone is rewatching soon listen out for it.
In my opinion it was one of the best fights yet. Raw, untrained/wounded, emotionally fueled. Only Luke/Vader tops it. The ballet style from the PT was worse every time. The ANH one was downright awful. Let's not even discuss Yoda or Grievous.
I really like how they handle it. It's just a couple of people with weapons unloading on each other, good stuff.
WadiumArcadium
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I didn't think it was lackluster at all. I'd rank it above allof the prequel fights bar maybe Anakin vs Obi-Wan. It's definitely in my top three.
Shuggananas
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).Terbinator
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And it isn't relevant we're told how it was found when the last time anyone saw it, it was flyng into a poo chute?
It isn't relevant that the lightsbare long thought lost of a man they're actively trying to trackdown as he's gone AWOL?
It could have been any sort of lightsabre and the story could have plodded on fine, maybe even Maz's. But when you attach significance to it, they should have at least have the goods ready to explain.
Different strokes I guess.
Edit: Lol, as above^
eot
Banned
It was obvious.
Vampirolol
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Wait a second. Why is there a map for Luke Skywalker's hideout to being with?
Pretty much the same for me. One of my main worries for TFA was always the lightsaber fight as i feared it would be too choreographed and "computer like", like a TAS speedrun.
Here it felt like it had a bit of grit and personality to it. Both fumbling a bit as they're both inexperienced but full of anger and tension. It's unrefined, as it should be. And we'll probably be the following fights in the next movie getting more and more precise and assured, hopefully, to show the evolution of the characters
Mega post on the film, bullet-pointed since I'm tired.
First act was far stronger than the others, beautiful shots of Rey's lonely existence on Jakku, Finn and Poe busting out the base etc.
- Awesome to see places and scenarios we've never seen before in Star Wars, like the snowy Starkiller base, enriched the final duels visually
- BB-8 is adorable fucking hell, they absolutely nailed it's design and interactions
- I like how Finn is both Han and Luke from ANH, has the wit but also the courage etc.
- Ford was great, the old Han Solo thing shouldn't really have worked, but it actually did
- Carrie Fisher on the other hand was disappointing, very flat. She might as well have not been in the film as well.
- People slander Boba Fett but fuck me that Captain Phasma what a punk, she didn't do a fucking thing.
- I think the design team have done a marvelous job on the tricky task of bring Star Wars up to date, but still retaining the old elements. Only exception would be Kylo Ren's mask which sucks, should have just went straight for the Revan copy.
- I feel the pirate having Luke's lightsaber and then Rey running away was all a bit clunky
- So lightsabers give you visions now?
- I know exactly as much about Supreme Leader Snoke as I did before I saw the film, except what he looks like. That's disappointing.
- Was hoping he would look a bit more alieny, instead looks one of those Separatist leaders from Episode II. Wasn't he supposed to be a snake or something?
- Bit of a waste getting the guys from The Raid and not having them fight
- Also disappointed at how we didn't see anything (bar those couple shots) of the Knights of the Ren
- Death Star 3.0 is LAME
- X-wing dogfighting, so good
About Kylo Ren
- For me, they revealed his identity far too early, it was like mentioned casually from Snoke that he's Solo's son. Odd way to do it.
- Again, he shouldn't have revealed his face to Rey during the interrogation scene.
- After his identity is revealed, fuck me it's all anyone can talk about. Every scene with Han and Leia must have mentioned it, look I know he's your son, but stop beating my head with it.
- I would have staved off his reveal until Han exclaims "Ben!", and the audience would be like who the fuck is that? Then keep the dialogue pretty much the same, with Kylo for the first time taking his mask off.
- So how did he fall to the dark side? That wasn't properly explained I don't think, he just killed everyone in the old academy after being influenced by Snoke. But when did this start? How did it happen?
- Getting serious prequel Anakin vibes from him, but with better acting
- Hilarious how he just starting mashing the console with his lightsaber, throwing a right hissyfit.
- The guy is clearly mega powerful with the force, I mean holding blaster shots mid-flight and whatnot
- Ending duels were fantastic and really 'heavy', the blows felt like they had massive impact to them.
- Finn did way better than he had any right to do, I know Kylo was wounded and mentally drained but Finn shouldn't have been able to land a single strike on him imo.
- I can understand Rey though since she's clearly a Jedi and the force has 'awakened' in her, thought her charge-up mode when she closed her eyes was a bit silly though.
Also FUCK that helicopter shot when she meets Luke.
(This makes it sound as if I didn't like it, thought it was great 8/10)
First act was far stronger than the others, beautiful shots of Rey's lonely existence on Jakku, Finn and Poe busting out the base etc.
- Awesome to see places and scenarios we've never seen before in Star Wars, like the snowy Starkiller base, enriched the final duels visually
- BB-8 is adorable fucking hell, they absolutely nailed it's design and interactions
- I like how Finn is both Han and Luke from ANH, has the wit but also the courage etc.
- Ford was great, the old Han Solo thing shouldn't really have worked, but it actually did
- Carrie Fisher on the other hand was disappointing, very flat. She might as well have not been in the film as well.
- People slander Boba Fett but fuck me that Captain Phasma what a punk, she didn't do a fucking thing.
- I think the design team have done a marvelous job on the tricky task of bring Star Wars up to date, but still retaining the old elements. Only exception would be Kylo Ren's mask which sucks, should have just went straight for the Revan copy.
- I feel the pirate having Luke's lightsaber and then Rey running away was all a bit clunky
- So lightsabers give you visions now?
- I know exactly as much about Supreme Leader Snoke as I did before I saw the film, except what he looks like. That's disappointing.
- Was hoping he would look a bit more alieny, instead looks one of those Separatist leaders from Episode II. Wasn't he supposed to be a snake or something?
- Bit of a waste getting the guys from The Raid and not having them fight
- Also disappointed at how we didn't see anything (bar those couple shots) of the Knights of the Ren
- Death Star 3.0 is LAME
- X-wing dogfighting, so good
About Kylo Ren
- For me, they revealed his identity far too early, it was like mentioned casually from Snoke that he's Solo's son. Odd way to do it.
- Again, he shouldn't have revealed his face to Rey during the interrogation scene.
- After his identity is revealed, fuck me it's all anyone can talk about. Every scene with Han and Leia must have mentioned it, look I know he's your son, but stop beating my head with it.
- I would have staved off his reveal until Han exclaims "Ben!", and the audience would be like who the fuck is that? Then keep the dialogue pretty much the same, with Kylo for the first time taking his mask off.
- So how did he fall to the dark side? That wasn't properly explained I don't think, he just killed everyone in the old academy after being influenced by Snoke. But when did this start? How did it happen?
- Getting serious prequel Anakin vibes from him, but with better acting
- Hilarious how he just starting mashing the console with his lightsaber, throwing a right hissyfit.
- The guy is clearly mega powerful with the force, I mean holding blaster shots mid-flight and whatnot
- Ending duels were fantastic and really 'heavy', the blows felt like they had massive impact to them.
- Finn did way better than he had any right to do, I know Kylo was wounded and mentally drained but Finn shouldn't have been able to land a single strike on him imo.
- I can understand Rey though since she's clearly a Jedi and the force has 'awakened' in her, thought her charge-up mode when she closed her eyes was a bit silly though.
Also FUCK that helicopter shot when she meets Luke.
(This makes it sound as if I didn't like it, thought it was great 8/10)
lastplayed
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So what's the point of lasers that can blow up planets when it can suck a star into oblivion?
That's devastating enough I would've thought.
That's devastating enough I would've thought.
maquiladora
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Kotetsu534
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Couldn't help but think of the early scenes in Miyazaki's Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (a film which also draws on Star Wars: A New Hope) when Ren was scavenging through dangerous ruins in the desert for supplies (so alike to Nausicaa in the forest). They share incredible skill and resourcefulness too - Ren can fly the Millennium Falcon and duel with a lightsaber as well as Nausicaa can fly her glider and repair her village's damaged machines and buildings.
That aside, I don't have much to add that hasn't been said - it's very consciously echoing A New Hope, in everything from its characters to its structure, and even its dialogue on occasion. I'm sure a Star Wars afficiondo will be able to pick out every single reference to the original trilogy, and it'll be a long list. Rey didn't quite grab me like Luke did - perhaps because so little is known about her background - but I still found her an effective lead, and she had many of my favourite scenes (taking over from Han Solo in the Falcon with Chewie at her side was genuinely moving, the aforementioned scenes in the desert, the mind-duel with Kylo Ren where he's bested and has his secrets poured out). Oscar Isaac is excellent as Poe, getting his youthful exuberance across without bravado - hope he becomes a bigger character in the sequels. Boyega's Finn is sympathetic as the runaway discovering his bravery, even if his exchanges with Rey didn't quite click with me. I found the earlier set pieces by and large better than the later ones - the cross-cutting finale was much less gripping than say, Poe and Finn's escape, or Rey's flying the Falcon, although I enjoyed the Ren vs. Rey duel (pushed back initially, she finds her feet and turns the tables on a wounded foe).
It's safe, it's nostalgic, it's fleet while remembering to breath, it's mostly well written and most importantly, it's fun. The best compliment I can pay it is that it ran for well past two hours and I never thought about the time.
That aside, I don't have much to add that hasn't been said - it's very consciously echoing A New Hope, in everything from its characters to its structure, and even its dialogue on occasion. I'm sure a Star Wars afficiondo will be able to pick out every single reference to the original trilogy, and it'll be a long list. Rey didn't quite grab me like Luke did - perhaps because so little is known about her background - but I still found her an effective lead, and she had many of my favourite scenes (taking over from Han Solo in the Falcon with Chewie at her side was genuinely moving, the aforementioned scenes in the desert, the mind-duel with Kylo Ren where he's bested and has his secrets poured out). Oscar Isaac is excellent as Poe, getting his youthful exuberance across without bravado - hope he becomes a bigger character in the sequels. Boyega's Finn is sympathetic as the runaway discovering his bravery, even if his exchanges with Rey didn't quite click with me. I found the earlier set pieces by and large better than the later ones - the cross-cutting finale was much less gripping than say, Poe and Finn's escape, or Rey's flying the Falcon, although I enjoyed the Ren vs. Rey duel (pushed back initially, she finds her feet and turns the tables on a wounded foe).
It's safe, it's nostalgic, it's fleet while remembering to breath, it's mostly well written and most importantly, it's fun. The best compliment I can pay it is that it ran for well past two hours and I never thought about the time.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I definitely will! Thanks for the headsup.
Messypandas
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Captain Phasma was a bit of a joke. Not only did she do nothing except walk around and look shiny, she instantly flipped and deactivated the entire fucking base shield the second a gun was pointed at her. She should have called their bluff like a boss.
George Oscar Bluth II
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*Han moves head in direction of Rey to Finn*
Finn *Imitates Han*: What is this? Why do you keep doing this?
That moment was hilarious.
Finn *Imitates Han*: What is this? Why do you keep doing this?
That moment was hilarious.
WadiumArcadium
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I laughed again just reading that. They nailed the humour.
lastplayed
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Absolutely.
Originally the Clone Wars was just this battle that happened on a single planet, and Lando was supposed to be one of the clone or clone templates from this planet, as stated in some cut backstory from Empire Strikes Back.
The idea of it being a full blown Galactic War with a huge clone army didn't really come into play till Episode II.
Melchettsmoustache
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As soon as I saw the bolt from the caster I thought "cheeky buggers..... That's meant to be green!" Then Thought damn I've played too many Star Wars games!
Messypandas
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I think the funniest bit was how C3PO was introduced. That was just classic OT.
Hot Coldman
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Yeah, I was really disappointed when it turned out she actually HAD disabled the shields. Finn's plan was really shitty and definitely should have ended with Han firing over his shoulder at hordes of Stormtroopers.
She'll be back, I'm sure.
BronsonLee
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But now we'll always see her as the coward who instantly dropped the shields instead of being a fearsome captain.
eot
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Hmm, really? I'll take your word for it.
I'm reminded of a certain dark souls 2 let's play...
Dash_Riprock
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How the fuck is a single battle on a single planet a "war" let alones "warS?"
The way people spoke about it in the OT novelizations, I imagined it to be some colossal galactic conflict that lasted years if not decades.
WadiumArcadium
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Kathy Kennedy hinted she'll have a bigger role in the next films. Hell, it couldn't be much smaller.
The same way we have wars on our planet maybe?
isn't she technically dead? I mean, they hardly had time to evacuate and I don't think there's an emergency escape pod for trash.
Ask George
Joel Was Right
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So is Rey Luke's daughter? I hope not.
These are little EU shithead fanboys who are bitter and pissed that Lucasfilm wiped out the EU. Same ilk who are intentionally spoiling the movie on Twitter. Pay them no mind.
Hot Coldman
Banned
If Episode VIII has both Kylo and Rey out of the way doing some training, then I suppose the first two acts' action will be based around Finn and Poe vs the First Order. Plenty of time for Phasma to get some revenge.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Liquidsnake
Banned
I dont know if she is or not, but why would it crush you if she was?
ISee
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I was prepared for it and 100% sure it was going to happen, and it still hit me. And then the moment when han reached out and laid his hand on 'Bens' face. I had tears in my eyes.
BronsonLee
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That and him catching the gun in 3 were the only damn times he looked even remotely cool
WadiumArcadium
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My eyes were watering. Only slightly. Just a little bit.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
Btw cant find any infos, but is Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) in for Episode 8-9?
That actually got to me more than his death, because I was spoiled, in part, but mostly because of the emotion into it.
Ford could seriously be up for a best actor nom, if Disney pushes enough for it. Don't know about Oscars, but he's definitely going to be mentioned now.
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