Inferno313
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You realize the imperials have always been space Nazis, right?
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You realize the imperials have always been space Nazis, right?
lastplayed
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Huh? Of course it's overt. I'm just saying I thought he did a good job.
lol I'm hoping he is, I was in total awe until you found it he was a hologram
Fix The Scientist
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I guess I just found the Hux speech scene a little too much, none of the other movies went quite that far with the Nazi thing.
yeah dude, i'm not saying you're being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, but i'm quite sure you're not exactly ... right, either
Let's not make this a "who's gonna write the longer paragraph about a character" contest, though. Your idolized version of Padme is nice and all - it's missing the part where she's thinking about how to paint the nursery or some shit, while the galaxy is at war.
lastplayed
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It's a different entity. The Empire was a continuation of the Republic with a dictator running the show. The New Order seems to be something a lot fiercer. Made up of the more fanatical elements of the Empire I guess.
Hey buddy, I love my friends! And I really love my friends when I'm willing to run into a crazy octopus monster or break into the ONE place I never wanted to return to (the HQ of the first order). Jeez, the guy wanted to escape to the outer Rim 10 min earlier. I also love eating pizza by the way. Lots of love to go around!
Tribes of Trusty
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As I said in the other thread, I liked it a lot.
It felt a lot like IV as in everything was similar, but still enjoyed it. I liked the two main characters and their dynamic. And BB-8 of course.
But killing Han Solo, why :'(
Oh and Kylo Ren is a little laughable without his mask on.
Edit : Oh and I love how Luke looks as a Jedi Master. A shame we see 8 secodns of him in the whole movie.
It felt a lot like IV as in everything was similar, but still enjoyed it. I liked the two main characters and their dynamic. And BB-8 of course.
But killing Han Solo, why :'(
Can't wait for another studio to buy LucasFilm and re do an another VII VIII IX continuity with him alive
Oh and Kylo Ren is a little laughable without his mask on.
Edit : Oh and I love how Luke looks as a Jedi Master. A shame we see 8 secodns of him in the whole movie.
yeah, the new order isn't the empire. They're a fanatic right wing splinter group, an armed militia. They're not currently the rulers of the republic, right?
They have to resort to propaganda tactics, because they're in no position of power to "rule by fear" yet.
ShaoranWright
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The american invasion never ended.
I thought that was the point - Kylo is a little manchild. He's basically Anakin Skywalker WITHOUT the tragic background... dude had loving parents, and turned into a little bitch because he jacks it to his Grandads space helmet.
ColonialRaptor
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You've got to remember that light speed trips in SW universe aren't as fast as they appeared movie and that just because what we see on screen is happening isn't EVERY second of their lives.
This is what happens in movies man, characters develop deep relationships within the space of (usually) two hours....
you called them "being deeply in love". You didn't imply a loving friendship. You're not "in love" with eating pizza, but never mind.
You clearly and utterly misread the relationship, so i suggest you do a rewatch. But there's no real point trying to discuss this with you if you start pretending you didn't mean the things you meant / wrote.
they did somehow manage to turn a planet into a death star without anyone noticing, apparently. This new republic must have really sucked at their job
I think they had one, that's why they had to exit lightspeed so close to the surface.
Yeah Kylo Ren was awesome. Lots of people complaining that he should have kept his mask on, but it's the moment he takes his mask off he goes from "boring Darth Vader imitation" to an actual good villain you want to learn more about.
Tribes of Trusty
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Yep I felt like that too. It's just funny because even if it was intentional to draw so many parrallels between IV and VII, I think that making the main villain masked all the way through the new trilogy would feel way too similar to Vader, so they decided to unmask him in the second half of the movie.
Still, he looks like ridiculous lol. I can't take him seriously. I don't know, it's just his face and his body language.
Also, I thought Snook was Darth Plagueis for a second there.
Well, I should add first time in years. I vaguely recall from my childhood that there people clapping after some movie, but I can't remember which one.
Heh.
Abrams does a good job at making this look like a Star Wars movie, whatever that means, and the actors do a good job. Nobody does awful. Harrison Ford lost his spark ages ago though.
But yeah I really thought for some reason that Lucasfilm/Disney wouldn't start production until they absolutely nailed the script, given the importance of the movie. I guess "not a disaster" was all they were looking for.
quite obviously. I suppose you can more easily and effectively rule an entire galaxy as a totalitarian regime.
I don't find it hard to believe that the current government of the republic is utterly overwhelmed by the splinter groups of the former empire.
it's similar to the diadochi after the fall of Alexander the great's empire.
Where is Starkiller base in relation to everywhere else? didn't seem like the resistance had much of a clue about their inner workings. Some development on the Order was something I would have liked to be honest they were a bit glossed over.
Luke created her from midichlorians. He learned from Ghost Sheev!
I actually meant the Republic planets that got blown up by Starkiller base, but yeah good point I had forgotten they had that.
Do you think Luke was bathing himself when the Starkiller blew up all those planets?
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BTW I find the title of this thread kinda funny, as literally nothing I read several months ago in the "rumor" thread came to be true.
He was jerkin it to wookie porn. Using the force, indeed.
He was jerkin it to wookie porn. Using the force, indeed.
The Force Awakens using Dark Souls storytelling.
I'm glad everyone gets all their stuff from it. I think I'm ruined by slower storytelling or at least I forgot to switch to "breezy popcorn mode" before entering the theater.
Not Spaceghost
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It was a lot of fun but it needed to be more focused, there was a ton of not really filler, but what i'd call fat to this movie. I was expecting a slightly more slimmed down product.
Stuff like Finn wanting to run away at critical moments was ultimately unnecessary and could have been done differently.
Phasma didn't need to be in this movie at all.
The smuggler quabble with han getting the falcon didn't really need to happen. We could have just left it at "we've been tracking the falcon" that didn't need to be a thing.
The movie was ultimately carried on too much coincidence (they just happen to find the falcon, and they just happen to get caught by han and chewie, and they just happen to end up in a place where anakins lightsaber is, and they just happen to be blah blah blah) but I will forgive that because whatever the chances of things happening otherwise would require way too much set up and the moving was short on time as it was.
The ending was bullshit and it actually irked me a bit, because they're really banking on this being a long trilogy instead of new 3 movies.
Han solo was basically the protagonist, Rey and Finn were just along for the ride. But honestly Rey was a really welcome surprise and she's absolutely awesome. Finn was cool too, I loved whenever he did stuff.
Maybe this is gonna be a good 2nd watch type movie because of the sheer amount of stuff they throw at us. But man it was just so goddamn unfocused. They spent too much time setting things up that obviously werent gonna get concluded, there was no sense of urgency with the finale like there was in episode 4.
I think the movie worked really well in the heat of the moment scenes but falls to pieces when it tries to do anything new or any exposition at all. The movie was at its best at the very beginning, everything on Jakku and the escape from Jakku was seriously the absolute coolest shit.
I loved how simple it was at the beginning - we have a clear villain and clear heroes and the plot felt right, "storm trooper deserter and junker girl find themselves on a mission to return the map to the resistance", then everything gets super messy afterwards.
I don't wanna say I didn't like it but I don't wanna say that I loved it either. It was just such a weird experience and definitely not what I was expecting.
Stuff like Finn wanting to run away at critical moments was ultimately unnecessary and could have been done differently.
Phasma didn't need to be in this movie at all.
The smuggler quabble with han getting the falcon didn't really need to happen. We could have just left it at "we've been tracking the falcon" that didn't need to be a thing.
The movie was ultimately carried on too much coincidence (they just happen to find the falcon, and they just happen to get caught by han and chewie, and they just happen to end up in a place where anakins lightsaber is, and they just happen to be blah blah blah) but I will forgive that because whatever the chances of things happening otherwise would require way too much set up and the moving was short on time as it was.
The ending was bullshit and it actually irked me a bit, because they're really banking on this being a long trilogy instead of new 3 movies.
Han solo was basically the protagonist, Rey and Finn were just along for the ride. But honestly Rey was a really welcome surprise and she's absolutely awesome. Finn was cool too, I loved whenever he did stuff.
Maybe this is gonna be a good 2nd watch type movie because of the sheer amount of stuff they throw at us. But man it was just so goddamn unfocused. They spent too much time setting things up that obviously werent gonna get concluded, there was no sense of urgency with the finale like there was in episode 4.
I think the movie worked really well in the heat of the moment scenes but falls to pieces when it tries to do anything new or any exposition at all. The movie was at its best at the very beginning, everything on Jakku and the escape from Jakku was seriously the absolute coolest shit.
I loved how simple it was at the beginning - we have a clear villain and clear heroes and the plot felt right, "storm trooper deserter and junker girl find themselves on a mission to return the map to the resistance", then everything gets super messy afterwards.
I don't wanna say I didn't like it but I don't wanna say that I loved it either. It was just such a weird experience and definitely not what I was expecting.
I don't think more time for writing would have solved all these script criticisms considering they're consistently present in most Abrams movies.
I'd assume you need a shitload of resources to construct something like that, there should be an extensive spy network that monitors suspicious activities in all sectors. And they must have had someone to keep an eye on the remaining Empire splinter forces and what they're up to, even if it happened in a part of the galaxy that is still fully under their control
Fliesen got a good point there though, I suppose. Still, at this technology level, you'd expect some highly advanced surveillance and espionage tools
something I've forgotten to say about Kylo is that I love the fact that he's a dark force user that is tempted by the light side, for a change. Something inherently funny about it
I think Netflix / HBO kinda ruined us in that regard.
The switch back and forth between media that has time to tell the same story within 10x50 minutes and media that needs to cram world building, character development and payoff into a span of 140 minutes is getting harder and harder.
Well, compare it to the occupation of Naboo and how slow to act the republic was, even back then.
They'd have to send weapons inspectors to the Starkiller planet, they'd form a committee that decides on possible sanctions.
I don't think they didn't know
Moff
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the whole plot with the map was a bit weird, wasn't it?
not the idea in theory but how the movie presented it.
I understand all kinds of audiences need to understand that the map needs two parts, but what we got was that BB8's part of the map was like a chunk of about 20% of the whole galaxy, how could they not tell where that would be? that must be millions of known systems, or are we supposed to believe that that BB8s chunk was completely uncharted?
and what activated R2 anyway?
not the idea in theory but how the movie presented it.
I understand all kinds of audiences need to understand that the map needs two parts, but what we got was that BB8's part of the map was like a chunk of about 20% of the whole galaxy, how could they not tell where that would be? that must be millions of known systems, or are we supposed to believe that that BB8s chunk was completely uncharted?
and what activated R2 anyway?
Not Spaceghost
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He woke up after Rey basically accepted the force and went full jedi, so I guess you could say, the force awoke him hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
I'm guessing Rey embracing the force/Annie's lightsabre both did it.
Cpt.Underpants
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Sobstarkiller planet sucks energy out of the sun, destroys the whole system....then what? The planet is abandoned or does it move like a ship? If not then that's one shit weapon to have just to destroy planets at once...rather just have one deathstar that individually destroys planets.
Because the starkiller planet that destroyed the planets at first wasn't really in the same system as the one at the end of the movie now was it? Cause there was still a sun to suck energy out of and planets to destroy.
Because the starkiller planet that destroyed the planets at first wasn't really in the same system as the one at the end of the movie now was it? Cause there was still a sun to suck energy out of and planets to destroy.
that rubbed me the wrong way as well.
If i have a map that says "south of florence, north of rome" i don't need the rest of the world map to know we're talking Italy.
they could have gone with some encryption thing - like R2 has the keys, BB has the encrypted map, but that would be too technical, i suppose.
The 2-part map is a lovely callback to adventure films of the past, where 2 people had different parts of the same map, each part incomplete and useless without the other one.
did the planet remain a "sun" after it blew up, btw? it seemed a flaming ball of fire that kept its form remained after the crust shattered and exploded.
ColonialRaptor
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I'm not saying the story and character development was good...
maybe R2 was on internet blackout because he didn't wanna be spoiled the ending and once the baddies were defeated he turned on WiFi
ColonialRaptor
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It moves and it can kill things at intersolar distances.
that's the important part.
Intersolar is nice and all, but the 2nd time the weapon powered up it seemed to have consumed the sun in its entirety, hasn't it? That's not a big magazine, really.
Agree a bit with most, except these two things.
It was nice seeing some bit of the universe outside the main groups and stories. So some other factions that are not just Rebels, or First Order. People complain there wasn'y any new stuff in the movie, and gropped the OT too much. Well here you go. New groups, new stories, new deadly space creature. And obviously Han and Chewie need to be making a living somehow to survive. They cant just track a ship for their whole life. What would be the point?
As for your second point. I am not sure what other urgency you want. The Starkiller Base ready to fire countdown was mentioned through out the finale. The thing was seconds away from blowing up the resistance base/planet. Was also a nice touch of showing it with the sunlight disappearing. Also the fight on the ground was spurred by the fact the planet was in the midst of imploding on itself.
Trickster
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Just saw it, some of the big things in it I really did not like.
Kylo Ren is such a lame character, he acts out like a 7 year old when mad, and is weak as shit.
The New Order really doesn't make sense to me. How do they manage to go around kidnapping enough kids that they end up with more manpower and resources than the freaking Empire, who had access to most of the galaxy?
Oh look, it's another death star, but bigger!
Han Solo's whole death scene was super obvious and a big cliche
Overall it just felt like it relied way to heavily on the original trilogy, same characters, same type of enemy, same premise etc. Really hope the next 2 movies takes the series in a new direction
Kylo Ren is such a lame character, he acts out like a 7 year old when mad, and is weak as shit.
The New Order really doesn't make sense to me. How do they manage to go around kidnapping enough kids that they end up with more manpower and resources than the freaking Empire, who had access to most of the galaxy?
Oh look, it's another death star, but bigger!
Han Solo's whole death scene was super obvious and a big cliche
Overall it just felt like it relied way to heavily on the original trilogy, same characters, same type of enemy, same premise etc. Really hope the next 2 movies takes the series in a new direction
lastplayed
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Yeah it sucks up a sun to charge the main weapon. I guess it consumed two suns in the movie.
ColonialRaptor
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I think it consumed a whole sun for the first firing we just didn't see it.
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