[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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Hagi said:
I need to see that scene again but she said the same thing about Finns eyes so maybe it was more about her character than parentage. You'd think she'd pull Han to the side and say hey that's your friends daughter standing right there if she knew.
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I think they all knew who she was. Han offering her a job and Leia giving her a huge hug seemed pretty telling.

people are not saying it relies too much on the old movies.
as a matter of fact it hardly relies on them at all.
people are complaining that there are too many very similiar settings, action sequences, plots and callbacks and quotes. not only was that not necessary, it really seemed uninspired.
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Necessary? No it wasn't. However the film deserves more credit. How the characters were all brought together was very smart writing, not to mention the intelligence of Rey's arc in the film. Having her overpower Ren's mind control, and later defeating him in a lightsaber duel was appropriate and sets a great precedent for the next films.
 
Moff said:
about rey's parentage

maz says she knows her eyes. that implies she knows her parents.
now the question is does only maz know her parents or is it someone the audience knows as well? I think it's defnitely the latter. and that doesn't really leave a lot of options does it? the obvious choice is luke, but what matters the most in the end is how they find a reasonable explanation why her parents would leave her completely unattended on her own as a little kid.
I can't imagine anything reasonable that would explain this, unless she was left with someone and ran away.
i am really wondering what they come up with to explain that.
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What about when Maz asks Han "Who's the girl?"
 
Moff said:
about rey's parentage

maz says she knows her eyes. that implies she knows her parents.
now the question is does only maz know her parents or is it someone the audience knows as well? I think it's defnitely the latter. and that doesn't really leave a lot of options does it? the obvious choice is luke, but what matters the most in the end is how they find a reasonable explanation why her parents would leave her completely unattended on her own as a little kid.
I can't imagine anything reasonable that would explain this, unless she was left with someone and ran away.
i am really wondering what they come up with to explain that.
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The biggest clue was when Maz was talking about her waiting on Jakku, that she knows in her heart that no one will be coming back...but "there's one who could".

In the flashback, she's having her arm held...so she's obviously with someone.

If I had to guess, she had a history with Luke (whether she's his daughter or not), and he hid her, away from him, to protect her from himself. He's obviously stowed himself away for a reason, and you'd imagine if he's run off to find the first Jedi temple, or somewhere of great importance to the founding of the Jedi, that it's a very spiritual and powerful reason. With his academy being slaughtered, it would somewhat make sense to hide who he could away.

He might have reasoned that placing her in the care of Leia or Han would have put her in the potential crosshairs of Kylo, given the link there, not to mention the risk of inherent danger from being a smuggler or a political/military target.
 
Tyreese Victoria said:
I do not understand the complaints that this film relies on the old movies, I mean of course it does. When you watch a seventh episode of something, you are generally expected to watch the first six....
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Relying is perfectly fine. Here's it's "ripping off" and "remaking the exact same scenes".

The prequels were much better on this. I think TFA will actually make me appreciate the prequels more in the long run.
 
so is it true that rey just ups and develops super jedi powers for the final boss fight? ive read stuff saying shes doing jedi master tier shit by the end of the movie with no training or forshadowing or anything
 
Nodnol said:
He might have reasoned that placing her in the care of Leia or Han would have put her in the potential crosshairs of Kylo, given the link there, not to mention the risk of inherent danger from being a smuggler or a political/military target.
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Also at the end, when Rey hears "the force", it was like she had a flashback and remembered things.

Through the movie, she believed all that was just a story. So, maybe she was trained really young (hence, her knowledge in piloting, fixing things, fighting), and how quickly she realized about "her powers". But because of her age, she assumed it was part of just fairy tales and playtime.

Who knows. Really liked the movie, well worth the wait. Was great after avoiding spoilers all this years. Can't wait to see were they take things from here.
 
lastplayed said:
What about when Maz asks Han "Who's the girl?"
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Messypandas said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't she say the "I know your eyes" to Finn after turning the zooms on and getting all up in his face? I had the feeling she was implying he was cowardly.
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correct me if I am wrong guys.
she told Finn about his eyes first, implying he was a corward. introducing her eye watcher skill.
they left.
she asked han who is the girl, interested in her.
and when she confreonted rey int he basement she told her she knew her eyes, remembering them, right?
or did I mix that up somehow with the trailer?

Nodnol said:
If I had to guess, she had a history with Luke (whether she's his daughter or not), and he hid her, away from him, to protect her from himself. He's obviously stowed himself away for a reason, and you'd imagine if he's run off to find the first Jedi temple, or somewhere of great importance to the founding of the Jedi, that it's a very spiritual and powerful reason. With his academy being slaughtered, it would somewhat make sense to hide who he could away. .
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that's what I initially thought as well, but rey and ben are about the same age aren't they?
no way the massacre happened before rey was abandoned. she was a small kid.
 
cloudzack117 said:
so is it true that rey just ups and develops super jedi powers for the final boss fight? ive read stuff saying shes doing jedi master tier shit by the end of the movie with no training or forshadowing or anything
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She gets triggered by Ren saying "the force" and then does some super dope moves and overpowers him. Nothing too special other than overwriting his force pull and rejecting mind control (while also reading Rens mind).
 
Moff said:
correct me if I am wrong guys.
she told Finn about his eyes first, implying he was a corward. introducing her eye watcher skill.
they left.
she asked han who is the girl, interested in her.
and when she confreonted rey int he basement she told her she knew her eyes, remembering them, right?
or did I mix that up somehow with the trailer?
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I just assumed "I know your eyes" is just a character study, not that she knows Rey's lineage.
 
Just got home. Was a solid 7/10 for me. Film moves WAY too fast for my liking. Think they maybe went too big for the first film back and some of the nostalgia missed its mark.

But a fun film. Love Ren's design. Was close to walking the Anakin line, but I think he pulled off the genuine hate and rage well. Shame we had no understanding of his fall to the dark side
 
Occam said:
Reading this thread I'm surprised how well y'all seem to take Han's death. I had no idea it would happen as I avoided all spoilers since episode VII was announced, and it felt like a massive (and unnecessary) downer.
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I felt like Han Solo had been killed pretty much as soon as he appeared, honestly. The script and Ford's performance were too far removed from his OT persona for my taste.

Granted it's been over 30 years and 30 years can change a man a lot, but I didn't want him to change. I found his return to Indiana Jones much more faithful.
 
cloudzack117 said:
so is it true that rey just ups and develops super jedi powers for the final boss fight? ive read stuff saying shes doing jedi master tier shit by the end of the movie with no training or forshadowing or anything
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An early scene in the movie establishes she's already kind of badass in a fight.
And Kylo Ren to me seemed severely undertrained and overall too "green" throughout the whole movie, so I felt their fight was very believable.
 
Verdict - Very good

-Definitely better and more enjoyable than the prequels
-Strong new cast
-Enough mysterious to keep me engaged

My main complaints would be...

-Another Death Star type thing and being destroyed in such a by the books way.
-Solo's death was anticlimactic and predictable. They could have done so much more with it. Also Chubaka didn't really respond in a way I would have expected him to. I mean he did just lose his best friend and all he did was groan a few times.
 
The Ren flashback felt like a missed oppurtunity. I would have honestly liked that scene played out more, maybe even hints of the confrontation between Luke and Ren. Felt like they were purposefully holding too much back on the characters history. A showdown in the rain between them would have been God tier.
 
On the subject of Spin-Offs: The only spin-off movie that interests me right now is Yoda's and perhaps one that explores the origin of the Sith and jedi, though I think they'll need a trilogy for that.
 
Messypandas said:
She gets triggered by Ren saying "the force" and then does some super dope moves and overpowers him. Nothing too special other than overwriting his force pull and rejecting mind control (while also reading Rens mind).
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I interpreted that as Ren's use of the force on her combined with that Saber induced flashback opened her up to the force.
 
Messypandas said:
The Ren flashback felt like a missed oppurtunity. I would have honestly liked that scene played out more, maybe even hints of the confrontation between Luke and Ren. Felt like they were purposefully holding too much back on the characters history. A showdown in the rain between them would have been God tier.
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You think that the rain scene was a flashback? I saw it more as a premonition along with the other stuff she saw.
 
Lashley said:
Whole cinema laughed, saw loads of people on here saying they laughed. So yeah, it was funny.
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I definitely smiled when I saw it. It was dumb, but it worked.

ugoo18 said:
Ren raging and the 2 Storm Troopers backing away and going the other direction definitely drew a laugh out of the cinema i was in. Movie as a whole was quite humorous, i'd possibly say the funniest in the series (Prequels and Original trilogy).
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I thought this was a great gag as well. Stormtroopers very much aware that this was NOT the time to go up to their superior.
 
There was a quick flash to a snow area right during her mind trip stuff right? there's so much going round in my head about this film I can't recall every detail.

WadiumArcadium said:
I think its a flashback to when the Knights of Ren wiped out Luke's Jedi Order.
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I wasn't so sure about it because it was so jumbled. It would certainly be more interesting as a sign of things to come for me at least.
 
Lashley said:
Whole cinema laughed, saw loads of people on here saying they laughed. So yeah, it was funny.
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Ren raging and the 2 Storm Troopers backing away and going the other direction definitely drew a laugh out of the cinema i was in. Movie as a whole was quite humorous, i'd possibly say the funniest in the series (Prequels and Original trilogy).
 
Quick sketched the pissbaby. From memory so might be really inaccurate as things were dark.

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Also people that think he won't have a redemption, I have bad news for you ...
 
Solo's death did feel a little empty. Probably because the film didn't spend the time developing Kylo Ren (or any of the new characters really) for us to feel the impact it should have had outside of our own love for Han.

Had we gotten to experience the relationship between Han and his son before the latter killed the former, it might have been effective.

I always pictured Han's death coming about in a no-win situation for everybody, things looking dire, before seeing the Millenium Falcon explode onto the scene in a suicide run/sacrificial move while the Han + Leia theme played. But that's just me.
 
Moff said:
the resistance was formed especially to fight the first order
it does leave the question why they did not send the whole republic fleet to fight them, maybe there are other dangers in the galaxy that need their attention and they simply underestimated them. we don't really know how big the first order is anyway and maybe it's just a small fraction of some bigger empire. or is the first order all that's left from the empire? I don't remember.
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Like the original movies, I assume snoke is off hiding in his main base, who will finally appear to die (lol).
I assume snoke controls a world, so would be a hard battle.
 
Tyreese Victoria said:
The thumbs up joke was hilarious.
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It was mildly amusing. That's about it.

People must be really easily pleased if they found that hilarious.

SCULLIBUNDO said:
Solo's death did feel a little empty. Probably because the film didn't spend the time developing Kylo Ren (or any of the new characters really) for us to feel the impact it should have had outside of our own love for Han.

Had we gotten to experience the relationship between Han and his son before the latter killed the former, it might have been effective.

I always pictured Han's death coming about in a no-win situation for everybody, things looking dire, before seeing the Millenium Falcon explode onto the scene in a suicide run/sacrificial move while the Han + Leia theme played. But that's just me.
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This is sort of how I feel too. If you don't feel any love for the old characters then this whole movie is a bit empty and flat.
 
Messypandas said:
She gets triggered by Ren saying "the force" and then does some super dope moves and overpowers him. Nothing too special other than overwriting his force pull and rejecting mind control (while also reading Rens mind).
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Here is another small nerdy nitpicky thing that seemed weird to me. Why does Kylo dodged the saber he was trying to force pull? He acts like he wasnt expecting it to come straight at him.

I think it would have been better that he tried to grab at it, but it slips or bounces a bit off his hands. But he full on dodges it with his whole upper body...
 
majik13 said:
Here is another small nerdy nitpicky thing that seemed weird to me. Why does Kylo dodged the saber he was trying to force pull? He acts like he wasnt expecting it to come straight at him.

I think it would have been better that he tried to grab at it, but it slips or bounces a bit off his hands. But he full on dodges it with his whole upper body...
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I think he knew it was being pulled by someone else, you could see him fighting it before he realised it was coming straight at him so he dodged.
 
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