Poodlestrike
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She really is the new Boba Fett.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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She really is the new Boba Fett.
The Giant Gonsalves spoils it if I recall.
Messypandas
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He does mention Vader being his grandad when he talks to the helmet.
The whole series starts off with a series of very unlikely coincidences in ANH.
Napoleonthechimp
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Uh huh.
There is a fair amount of backstory to ANH, with Kenobi (who was intentionally watching over Luke) being a big part of that. If that was rewritten to the same standards of TFA then Luke would coincidentally run into Kenobi, one of the few master Jedi in existence.
But coming across Han Solo was the biggest WTF for me. They should have at least tried to more carefully integrate that into the plot.
Rey says it herself that the ship hasn't been flown in years.
Rey says the ship hasn't flown in years, Han says it was stolen from him years ago, two plus two and all that.
With all my appreciation for Kylo Ren for his character as a insecure young man, I also do hope he'll get fleshed out a lot because yeah, he is a total underdog right now and he's going to need some good writing for him to properly ride the wave back up.
We already saw he's a very capable force user, with maybe just not a lot of subtlelty (he's pretty much mostly raw power at this point). My little guess is probably that he's gonna walk the middle-ground/anti hero thing but still be resolutely dark side for a long while
His character is what will need the most work. The patricide obviously is the big turning point for him. Now how will that define him, i have trouble to think about it at this time
We already saw he's a very capable force user, with maybe just not a lot of subtlelty (he's pretty much mostly raw power at this point). My little guess is probably that he's gonna walk the middle-ground/anti hero thing but still be resolutely dark side for a long while
His character is what will need the most work. The patricide obviously is the big turning point for him. Now how will that define him, i have trouble to think about it at this time
So you ignore that Han says he tracked the Falcon? He didn't just happen to run into it.
friskykillface
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RIP solo the god Blah , thought he was gonna be taken as prisoner but then people would complain it's just a rehash
The public killed Han Solo
I give it a solid 8/10
Luke says it himself that he hasn't been blown in years.
Yep.
Not sure why people are having such an issue with this. Han had a tracker on the falcon that only worked when active. It was probably towed to its current location and not used. It gets turned on, he gets notified and goes all "chewie, let's go", light speeds his way to his ship and boom
But no, we gotta complain about how he just happened to turn up out of the blue. Just like how he happened to do exactly the same back in the OT.
BassForever
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Finn was easily the worst part of the film which was incredibly frustrating. His actions half the time was because of some reason and you could have almost entierly written his character our and it wouldn't have changed the story.
Spotless Mind
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I agree JJ certainly relies on coincidence a lot in his other films and maybe a bit too much in this. This film follows the template of A New Hope pretty closely (probably to its detriment), but the coincidences are very similar to that films, so i'm a bit more forgiving. Plus the force guiding them and fate and all that which have always been components of the series.
I actually don't mind how Han found the Falcon. I'm assuming it hadn't been active for a long time and Rey starting it up allowed Han to track some sort of transponder.
Couple more weeks of practice and they'll be able to take on the Sidious Jar Jars at the Coruscant Grand Nationals.
He was good, but I actually was disappointed he didn't die at the end. He was every bit a character for a single film - I have no desire to see his story develop, unlike with Poe, Rey, Ren and Luke.
I mean, the entire plot kickstarts because of his action. But outside that...
If there's one thing I'd change, it'd be the ending:
- Rey and Chewie wouldn't find Luke yet. Instead, end with them still preparing the trip, talking about finding Luke with the other characters.
CUT TO:
- Inside secret Jedi temple:
Hooded Luke, back turned to us, moving down a dark corridor. He comes into a room with engraved walls, with a single Holocron sitting on a dusty stone table. Some rustling/whispers are heard. He grabs the Holocron with his bionic hand and removes his hood, slightly turning his head, but enough for the audience to recognize him.
Stuffs the Holocron in his robe and draws his green lightsaber, lighting it up by his side, still with his back to us.
Some more rustling/whispers. Luke fully turns, gets into an attack pose and runs/hastily paces towards the camera, fading into CREDITS.
- Rey and Chewie wouldn't find Luke yet. Instead, end with them still preparing the trip, talking about finding Luke with the other characters.
CUT TO:
- Inside secret Jedi temple:
Hooded Luke, back turned to us, moving down a dark corridor. He comes into a room with engraved walls, with a single Holocron sitting on a dusty stone table. Some rustling/whispers are heard. He grabs the Holocron with his bionic hand and removes his hood, slightly turning his head, but enough for the audience to recognize him.
Stuffs the Holocron in his robe and draws his green lightsaber, lighting it up by his side, still with his back to us.
Some more rustling/whispers. Luke fully turns, gets into an attack pose and runs/hastily paces towards the camera, fading into CREDITS.
You could take Indy out of Raiders and the movie unfolds the same way. Doesn't mean him or Finn aren't good characters though.. (also who rescues Poe).
If the other droid doesn't break down, Luke's uncle never buys R2 and he never gets involved. That's carefully integrated into the plot?
Han had tracking on the falcon, it was explained.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Napoleonthechimp
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After decades of it being missing. "Tracking the falcon" is a hand wave from the writer.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Ending was fine IMO, it's clear he'll train her.
Who would he be fighting? Ending like that would change the next film, he's clearly in seclusion.
Blah , thought he was gonna be taken as prisoner but then people would complain it's just a rehash
The public killed Han Solo
I give it a solid 8/10
I was under the impression that Ford would only do another Star Wars movie is Han Solo died.
BronsonLee
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Nah man, it was just sleepin', like Finn at the end
It probably needs to be functioning or active for it to be tracked. Looked like it hadn't been used in ages at Jakka.
Han lost Uber to Lando in the expanded universe.
I had fun watching it. But I'm kinda disappointed there's no sense of continuity from Eps VI, everything just...happens.
I mean who the hell is Snoke? How the hell do these First Order gets into power?
The fight between Finn and that random Stormtrooper was totally done using the Raid dude as it was the best fight in the movie. The final fight looks the prettiest though.
And Rey is totally Han's daughter right? Alot of scenes seems hinting towards that.
I mean who the hell is Snoke? How the hell do these First Order gets into power?
The fight between Finn and that random Stormtrooper was totally done using the Raid dude as it was the best fight in the movie. The final fight looks the prettiest though.
And Rey is totally Han's daughter right? Alot of scenes seems hinting towards that.
After years of it sitting on a desert planet, inactive, yes. All literally stated out loud in the film.
do we know if its been missing for decades? Honest question.
So the prequels had fancy acrobatics (so did Vader and Luke but whatever). Okay.
Don't you think there's a middle ground between flipping for the sake of flipping, and making force users fight like any random dude using it like a sword ?
See that's the beauty of this movie, Finn destroys any argument about the fact that they fight in a better way or more impressive way. They "use the force" on paper and so they win, but visually it looked the exact same.
This is wrong.
I'm not saying this is a big deal, as one was wounded and the other untrained entirely.
It fit the movie well.
I just have an issue with people that actually think this is how all lightsabers duel should look. Because it's shit.
Don't you think there's a middle ground between flipping for the sake of flipping, and making force users fight like any random dude using it like a sword ?
See that's the beauty of this movie, Finn destroys any argument about the fact that they fight in a better way or more impressive way. They "use the force" on paper and so they win, but visually it looked the exact same.
This is wrong.
I'm not saying this is a big deal, as one was wounded and the other untrained entirely.
It fit the movie well.
I just have an issue with people that actually think this is how all lightsabers duel should look. Because it's shit.
Nope. Unless you pull that idea out of your ass.
I saw the film twice and there was no mention of decades.
Lol, what?
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
That's what I think, rather than Luke.
OmegaSmash
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Anyone else feel that Finn vs SHOCK CHAINSAW Stormtrooper would've been better if it was Phasma? She was really wasted, and I hope she wasn't actually killed off.
I got the hint that it she is Leia and Chewie's daughter.
I saw the movie tonight and I really enjoyed it. There were some great emotional moments, as a fan of the series who saw the originals in the theater. It wasn't perfect but it was overall a really good, entertaining film. And it left me excited for a sequel.
Finn's character was under-used. That was my major gripe. He's not a co-lead. I was afraid of that, and in fact I was right.
Kylo Ren got shot with Chewbacca's bowcaster. Did you see how that weapon wrecked shit? He was badly wounded. You must not have been paying attention.
Finn's character was under-used. That was my major gripe. He's not a co-lead. I was afraid of that, and in fact I was right.
Kylo Ren got shot with Chewbacca's bowcaster. Did you see how that weapon wrecked shit? He was badly wounded. You must not have been paying attention.
The First Order is pretty obviously a remnant of the Empire that has consolidated its power on a smaller scale than the Empire. I don't think you are meant to know anything about Snoke yet, much like you knew nothing about the Emperor for Episode 4 and 5, just that he existed and one short scene with him.
The Hermit
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Eh
I liked Finn most in this movie. So much heart. Hell, I didn't enjoy the movie as much as I hoped, yet I loved his character.
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Finn wasn't too bad during the opening or at the end; I agree his time spent in the middle is largely spent as the guy who reacts to things, but I could get behind him as the lead.
Of the prominently featured characters, the one with the least impact on the story was Leia. She was my least favorite part of the film (sorry guys). Carrie Fisher was showing some great acting chops, but she didn't really have a character to play anymore. She had a conversation with Han to reiterate what the audience had already inferred (that Han wants to bring Ben back from the dark side), said goodbye, then just kind of faded into the background and watched the monitors as a general. She needed more, and I hope she gets more in the coming films.
Can you really blame him? They only went to great lengths to establish the bowcaster as a very powerful weapon, and only zoomed in Kylo's wound and blood. Easy to miss.
He is basically Luke. You can have Star Wars without Luke.
I think it's clear this film gave all the focus to Han because it was his swansong.
Messypandas
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Snoke in reality is 1 foot tall.
yep thought the same thing, but then she would have died? Hopefully there is a bigger pay off in subsequent films. I was a bit disappointed she flipped the switch though.
I think a better way would have been for her to resist at the end, she tries to get physical. They knock her out or injure her, and they just flip the switch themselves(if there wasnt some passcode or something)
Tevious
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It's still a convenient plot device. Han just coincidentally happened to get the falcon to show up on his tracker and be in the vicinity after I'm assuming decades since he lost it. Why wasn't the empire able to track the falcon in ESB? Boba Fett had to follow them to cloud city, iirc. The falcon is also supposed to be a smuggling ship too, so you'd think it would have a defense against tracking or something.
Those are clearly questions which will be answered in the sequel. How is Snoke a master of the Dark Side (but not a Sith)? Why does he appear to be badly scarred? Who are the Knights of Ren, really? It seems like they are a Dark Side order, separate in lineage from the Sith, composed of former Jedi pupils, corrupted by Snoke, but that's just a guess.
As far as I can tell from info he is not literally a giant but is very big, like bigger than Chewbacca. But I guess we'll see in Episode 8.
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