That bothered me slightly. The whole Force Mind control,I figured that was way more advanced. I mean yeah it took her a couple of tries but for her to be THAT powerful.
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That bothered me slightly. The whole Force Mind control,I figured that was way more advanced. I mean yeah it took her a couple of tries but for her to be THAT powerful.
ReplacementPelican
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Somebody on my Facebook utterly hated it. She says she is a fan of the OT and actually 'really likes' the prequels and complains about the new characters, especially Kylo and calls the film a rehash of Return of The Jedi which is weird for a film that is thematically and structurally identical to A New Hope and shares pretty much no similarity to ROTJ. She also complains that anyone can use a lightsaber, as though only a Jedi can turn the weapon on.
It's genuinely taking all of my strength not to reply to her opinion not because she didn't like it but because her criticisms are just weird.
It's genuinely taking all of my strength not to reply to her opinion not because she didn't like it but because her criticisms are just weird.
Tritroid
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Fantastic film, loved every minute (I do wish it slowed down a bit in areas though to digest all the info being thrown around though).
One question however, when the Starkiller destroys a random planet, I freaked out a little thinking they had just decided to willy-nilly blow up Coruscant since they kept talking about 'wiping out the senate, and the republic itself', and the planet looked like a city planet similar to Coruscant. I looked into it a bit, and it looks like it's probably not Coruscant...but what other planet would house the senate? I'm a little confused by that.
One question however, when the Starkiller destroys a random planet, I freaked out a little thinking they had just decided to willy-nilly blow up Coruscant since they kept talking about 'wiping out the senate, and the republic itself', and the planet looked like a city planet similar to Coruscant. I looked into it a bit, and it looks like it's probably not Coruscant...but what other planet would house the senate? I'm a little confused by that.
Oh, good thing I didn't get spoiled on that. The marketing had me completely fooled and thought Finn was going to be the new Jedi.
My theater got a huge cheer when she got the lightsaber.
NihonTiger90
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I think those may be some of Vader's ashes.
They said it was the Hosnian system.
Elitist1945
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Unless the filmed showed it then I'm not accepting it. She held her own against those people with her fists, not whipping out some lightsaber. Thus, the idea that she's secretly a dueling master can kindly sit in a corner. That whole staff thing just had me upset the entire time, ever heard of Chekov's Gun? Well, I waiting until Ep. VIII for it to "fire."
Tritroid
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So that's now where the republic senate is located?
She has an incredible amount of midichlorians
It was pretty disturbing that Finn used a lightsaber.
Future PhaZe
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What Kylo's true potential is will make itself clear after he receives his training.
Him holding that blaster bolt in mid-air was on some other shit.
Him holding that blaster bolt in mid-air was on some other shit.
Ziltoidia 9
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But man guys...the feels of Luke seeing the saber he lost when Vader cut his arm off in ESB.
Amazing.
Amazing.
in the movies defense they did establish that current storm troopers are mind controlled shells of people
has to be infinitely easier to mind control than the average person
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Uhh. ..
Something many people didn't notice. When she meets Luke they are both in tears.
She's so obviously his daughter.
Something many people didn't notice. When she meets Luke they are both in tears.
She's so obviously his daughter.
She must have been pissed when Han used Luke's saber to open up the dead taun-taun in ESB.
Kylo Ren was probably the best part of the whole thing.
Ties to the old stuff by family relation, so that's cool. Seems terrifyingly good at manipulating other people with Force powers, in a way it seems like we didn't really see before. The tantrums show off how unstable and violent he gets, and draw a nice parallel to the anger that drove Anakin dark.
Takes off his helmet, and we see him as a stark contrast to Vader. Instead of an old man on life support, it's just some kid. He's wearing the mask 'cuz it looks cool. (Or the knight thing, whatever.) He's idolizing Vader, and trying hard to live up to that.
Plus his lightsaber looks neat (if a little goofy). And he looks cool when he has the mask on and hood p.
Ties to the old stuff by family relation, so that's cool. Seems terrifyingly good at manipulating other people with Force powers, in a way it seems like we didn't really see before. The tantrums show off how unstable and violent he gets, and draw a nice parallel to the anger that drove Anakin dark.
Takes off his helmet, and we see him as a stark contrast to Vader. Instead of an old man on life support, it's just some kid. He's wearing the mask 'cuz it looks cool. (Or the knight thing, whatever.) He's idolizing Vader, and trying hard to live up to that.
Plus his lightsaber looks neat (if a little goofy). And he looks cool when he has the mask on and hood p.
Explain to her that the PT alienated TONS of people with its bullshit acrobatics and twirls, its super uptight and impersonal Jedi Order. A regular man picking up a lightsaber and simply fighting against the odds spoke volumes, much more than anything in the entire PT. Your FB buddy can shove it.
IAmtheFMan
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I need time to digest it. Just saw it. I was thoroughly entertained, hit that nostalgia sweet spot, and really liked the new characters. I also really liked that I knew basically next to nothing going into this movie.
Having said that... this movie played it really safe, almost to the point where it played like a "greatest hits." Early establishment on the sand planet? Check. Plot revolves around trying to recover plans from a droid? Check. Evil Empire/First Order with an ultimate weapon that the Rebels/Resistance have to destroy in the nick of time in a mashup of what they did in ANH and ROTJ? Check. Force vision sequence? Check. Cantina-esque sequence? Check. Conflicted antagonist with family issues who's subservient to the actual big-bad? Check. etc. etc. It's almost like Lucas's infamous "it's like poetry, it rhymes" taken even further.
I know this probably sounds overtly negative, but I came out of the theater with a feeling of "really liked it, but..." kinda feeling. This was kinda how I felt after I watched the Abrams Star Trek really entertained, and completely digging the nostalgia but wanting the franchise to go off in its own direction and assume its own identity. Plus Abrams had the extremely difficult task of making a movie that had a huge amount of expectations and hopes, and in that I think he largely succeeeded, although again, did it by relying on what worked then carving out completely new territory. I think with Rian Johnson at the helm for Ep: 8, we'll hopefully move into less charted territory.
Having said that... this movie played it really safe, almost to the point where it played like a "greatest hits." Early establishment on the sand planet? Check. Plot revolves around trying to recover plans from a droid? Check. Evil Empire/First Order with an ultimate weapon that the Rebels/Resistance have to destroy in the nick of time in a mashup of what they did in ANH and ROTJ? Check. Force vision sequence? Check. Cantina-esque sequence? Check. Conflicted antagonist with family issues who's subservient to the actual big-bad? Check. etc. etc. It's almost like Lucas's infamous "it's like poetry, it rhymes" taken even further.
I know this probably sounds overtly negative, but I came out of the theater with a feeling of "really liked it, but..." kinda feeling. This was kinda how I felt after I watched the Abrams Star Trek really entertained, and completely digging the nostalgia but wanting the franchise to go off in its own direction and assume its own identity. Plus Abrams had the extremely difficult task of making a movie that had a huge amount of expectations and hopes, and in that I think he largely succeeeded, although again, did it by relying on what worked then carving out completely new territory. I think with Rian Johnson at the helm for Ep: 8, we'll hopefully move into less charted territory.
Did Kylo's lightsaber get destroyed by Rey? I missed exactly what happened there.
Ah, okay. I figured it was either the same pedestal where he kept the helmet (though him crushing it would be out of character) or, like you said, a pedestal with Vader's ashes that he keeps his helmet on. The latter sounds better.
She likes the prequels and hated this? IGNORE.
I would probably just.. unfollow this person. I tend to have a "one and done" rule when it comes to Facebook
OmegaSmash
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I took that as him being set up to turn into a Jedi at some point.
I'm fine with Rey being an unparallelled prodigy with the force, surpassing Anakin. Should make for interesting story in the future, especially if she's tempted by the dark
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lmao, now I want to watch this.
serenewarfare
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It's on Apple Music for sure. I was just listening to it.
Her mind controlling the Stormtrooper didn't bother me because it was setup that they are indoctrinated from birth. You know what did bother me? The shameless killing and execution of Stormtroopers in the movie. The movie just established that apparently most of these people are kidnapped as babies and indoctrinated as Stormtroopers, then they show Finn turn away from his brain washing and try to escape. So now that you've humanized Stormtroopers why would I be so enthusiastic about these terrible deaths the characters inflict upon them? Why would I jump in glee when Chebacce hits them with his Bowcaster so hard they fly? Instead, I'm thinking "geez, I hope that guy wasn't secrelty a good Stormtrooper."
Now, if they were just Space Nazis I wouldn't have that problem but now I do.
Luke's daughter dude. She's going to be a lot more powerful than even Ren. Leia after all never had Yoda's training like Luke did.
TheOctodad
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How you want to handle the speculation is up to you. Some people seem to view intentionally unresolved question as "plot holes" though and that's weird to me.
I have only two nitpicks and they are very minor. I absolutely LOVE this movie! Many times I felt the original trilogy's vibes being channeled and it was glorious.
My two nitpicks are why would R2D2 be in power-save mode? It's not like he couldn't be recharged. Was he supposed to be 'sad' or something? I mean, it doesn't make much sense. The other was I was unhappy with Fin's ability to wield a lightsaber with competency and Rey's ability to go toe-to-toe in a lightsaber battle with Ren. It's possible that he isn't as good with his lightsaber as someone like Luke or Vader but for him to get schooled liked that by someone who has NEVER had that weapon in their hands was unbelievable.
That's it, though! No other gripes!
My two nitpicks are why would R2D2 be in power-save mode? It's not like he couldn't be recharged. Was he supposed to be 'sad' or something? I mean, it doesn't make much sense. The other was I was unhappy with Fin's ability to wield a lightsaber with competency and Rey's ability to go toe-to-toe in a lightsaber battle with Ren. It's possible that he isn't as good with his lightsaber as someone like Luke or Vader but for him to get schooled liked that by someone who has NEVER had that weapon in their hands was unbelievable.
That's it, though! No other gripes!
yeah, there were mentions of multiple jedi, not just one
ie awakening in the force
im just cringing at the thought of the inevitable finn being re-mind-controlled
I really appreciated the light from the sun dying out right before he murdered his father. they did a really great job lining up the symbolism with this character.
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itsjustsurvival
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Jedi or not, I love the fact he got to use it. Being a soldier bred for battle makes it pretty believable that he could use it competently.
When you think about it, they were under an extraordinary amount of pressure, not only to deliver a good Star Wars film, but deliver one after the PT was shite and got so far away from the good parts of the OT, and deliver one that harkened to the OT, AND deliver one to create a new era of the franchise for Disney.
I understand completely why it was played safe and relied on the OT for its structure, they had to ensure there was no way it could be bad, even if it meant not standing on its own so much, and serve as both a palette cleanser for SW after the PT, but also serve as the foundation for the ST and the spin-offs.
In short it's simple and safe but very necessary, and it's set up some highly interesting directions to go in the future Episodes (I think 8, under Rian Johnson is going to be fantastic).
TheOctodad
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I mean, a ton of them did just execute a town...
They may not all be evil, but if they are shooting at Finn and Han or defending the super weapon than they are currently complicit in the violence.
I feel like Luke may have told him to in order to keep the rest of the map hidden until the time was right.
Yeah I guess the bloodline is just getting stronger and stronger. Curious if we get a timeskip for the next movie with her somewhat trained.
I agree with this, I felt like humanizing the stormtroopers, and having a main character being an ex storm trooper was a disgrace.
Exploding8
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I noticed that too.
Wouldn't that be an interesting twist? If she was somehow related to Palpatine?
I think Luke hid her on Jakku on purpose. Let me remind you of the single most important quote in all of Star Wars:
Anakin Skywalker: "I don't like sand. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere."
It's the only legitimate reason for hiding Luke on Tatooine, and now the reason why Rey was left on Jakku. I guess it runs in the family.
VistraNorrez
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More or less how I feel as well. Really enjoyed it, but so incredibly derivative. But that's what happens when your goal is to please the fans, you aren't going to do anything original. That's okay for this film, though, and I expect 8 to be much more original.
BassForever
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Yeah in the end I feel it's kinda hard to judge a lot of the plot points until we see 8 and 9. Unlike the other two trilogies this one is clearly a lot better planned out for better or worse.
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