[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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SuperBanana
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Well...yeah, obviously. The Empire was basically space nazi's and this is the remnants of that Empire so they're probably even more extreme.
Its clearly not the best, there were flaws but you notice no one is mentioning any of them, all anyone is doing is praising every aspect of the movie. Once when the dust settles, im sure the opinion will change.
2017 and 2019?
I waited 33 years for another good Star Wars movie. A year and a half is a walk in the park.
OricWindstar
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Just got out. Still reflecting on it, but the best thing j can say about it is that it feels like Star Wars. Some clunky dialogue here, some overused nostalgia there, but it really felt like I was back in the universe for the first time since Return of the Jedi. Speaking of, it's definitely better than Jedi.
Also, how are people complaining about Finn? He's by far my favorite character. Rey was a great lead and Poe was fun as hell whenever he was on screen, but Finn was the fucking soul of this movie. If you judge characters by the scoreboard, then I get the disappointment, but what better praise can you give a character than wanting to be friends with them?
May see it again tonight as I've got a group going, but overall it feels like everything I love about Star Wars is back. And with Rian Johnson being handed the keys now? Good lord, that is exciting.
Also, how are people complaining about Finn? He's by far my favorite character. Rey was a great lead and Poe was fun as hell whenever he was on screen, but Finn was the fucking soul of this movie. If you judge characters by the scoreboard, then I get the disappointment, but what better praise can you give a character than wanting to be friends with them?
May see it again tonight as I've got a group going, but overall it feels like everything I love about Star Wars is back. And with Rian Johnson being handed the keys now? Good lord, that is exciting.
Easily.
FUBAR McDangles
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One thing that really bothered me was the lack of an actual Resistance fleet. So you're telling me that the Resistance, now funded by the New Republic and more powerful and organized than ever...only has like 30 X-Wings for that final assault?
Sure, when the First Order blew up that planet it apparently took out a good portion of the fleet (one of the Resistance leaders said something to that effect in the briefing room), but come on.
They are trying to bomb that power source on the Starkiller. Yet have no Y-Wings. Or A-Wings. Just a few dozen X-Wings and call it good?
I can hand waive away most complaints but that was a big one for me for whatever reason. Really killed something for me for whatever reason.
Sure, when the First Order blew up that planet it apparently took out a good portion of the fleet (one of the Resistance leaders said something to that effect in the briefing room), but come on.
They are trying to bomb that power source on the Starkiller. Yet have no Y-Wings. Or A-Wings. Just a few dozen X-Wings and call it good?
I can hand waive away most complaints but that was a big one for me for whatever reason. Really killed something for me for whatever reason.
friskykillface
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It just edges out Empire. Great acting from everyone involved.
OrbitalBeard
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Whoa, better than 4 and 5? Not sure I'd go that far. Heck, I'd need to see this a few more times to even consider that. I think I can safely say it's better than 6 though.
Wait....VIII is coming in 2017? It's not a three year gap like the other films were? That's great!
I said "new" EU. That stuff is no longer canon.
I am aware they're still great games on their own even if they're no longer part of the overall universe, I just specifically asked for new stuff.
I don't know about that. I reckon far too many fans are invested in the movie being the greatest or great that even a half decent SW movie at this point would be heralded above it's true value
Vanillalite
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I actually thought it was very unlike the old movies. To an extent that it was almost it's own thing even if a couple of the story beats were similarish.
It didn't really feel like IV-VI or I-III.
Maybe I'm cray though.
If anything I wish it had more ties to everything. I think that's just me wanting to know more about what was going on with the Galaxy as a whole, and the 30 year gap.
It didn't really feel like IV-VI or I-III.
Maybe I'm cray though.
If anything I wish it had more ties to everything. I think that's just me wanting to know more about what was going on with the Galaxy as a whole, and the 30 year gap.
They only 'new EU' games are mobile games and the Battle of Jakku from Battlefront.
More like 1.5 years for episode 8. Disney has you covered with Rogue One.
I would say its safely the best star wars film in terms of acting and direction.
Kylo Ren is a really effective villain. He's basically Anakin from the prequels done right, which is amazing because we aren't actually told a whole lot about him. We can easily infer what kind of person he is and what his strengths and weaknesses of character are just from watching him operate. His scene with Han on the bridge had more emotion and characterization than Anakin did in all three of the prequel movies.
Weird, since it appeared my entire theater seemed to understand the reference.
Again, no one is saying a word about this. We really dont even know how much control the first order has, or how much control that the republic has. This is a huge piece missing from this movie, and honestly you can say that they can hold it off till episode 8, but I disagree. When you watched episode 4, you knew the Empire was in asbsolute control, when you watched episode 1, you knew the Republic was in control.
This movie left me feeling completely lost in this aspect, they absolutely failed to display any sort of picture of who exactly is running the show now. If anything, it appears that the first order is weaker than the republic, and more or less just a small political party trying to get its way.
petethepanda
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Just got back. Some scattershot thoughts, that I have to preface by saying I liked the movie and I was not going in looking for reasons to be disappointed.
In the first half hour I was pretty much going "holy shit, this is just what I wanted," but that feeling started to deflate when it became apparent they were doing A New Hope again. Callbacks and parallels are great but there's line between "parallels" and "remake" and this went way closer to that line than it needed to.
But I did like it. The characters are fantastic, it had some good action, some great laughs, some surely-to-be-iconic images. It just felt like the exciting new stuff was held back by the fact that "course correction" for the franchise wound up being the Into Darkness route of repackaging an existing movie everyone liked before. (Though this was clearly way better than that.)
I kind of laughed at how lame Captain Pushover was. "Oh, you have a gun? I'll push the 'make this entire planet vulnerable' button for you." But Finn! And Rey! And Poe, and BB-8! I want to watch all of them forever.
Anyway. The real test will be VIII. (Which I still can't fucking believe Rian Johnson is doing holy shit oh my god.)
In the first half hour I was pretty much going "holy shit, this is just what I wanted," but that feeling started to deflate when it became apparent they were doing A New Hope again. Callbacks and parallels are great but there's line between "parallels" and "remake" and this went way closer to that line than it needed to.
But I did like it. The characters are fantastic, it had some good action, some great laughs, some surely-to-be-iconic images. It just felt like the exciting new stuff was held back by the fact that "course correction" for the franchise wound up being the Into Darkness route of repackaging an existing movie everyone liked before. (Though this was clearly way better than that.)
I kind of laughed at how lame Captain Pushover was. "Oh, you have a gun? I'll push the 'make this entire planet vulnerable' button for you." But Finn! And Rey! And Poe, and BB-8! I want to watch all of them forever.
Anyway. The real test will be VIII. (Which I still can't fucking believe Rian Johnson is doing holy shit oh my god.)
I was just about to say a similar thing. Kylo Ren is pretty much what I wanted prequel Anakin to be.
I was actually waiting for something like this to happen.
Benzychenz
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You guys do realise that the next star wars movies (8 and 9) will be horribly inadequate in comparison when it comes to lightsaber duels right? Brace yourselves hard.
Some of you already forgetting what a let down Looper is. When was the last time you rewatched Looper for the action sequences? And don't get me started on that dude from Jurrasic world making episode 9. He can't even make a decent fucking blockbuster movie. It's all downhill from here.
Some of you already forgetting what a let down Looper is. When was the last time you rewatched Looper for the action sequences? And don't get me started on that dude from Jurrasic world making episode 9. He can't even make a decent fucking blockbuster movie. It's all downhill from here.
serenewarfare
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"Those people aren't complaining about the things I'm complaining about. They are obviously blind, but eventually they will see the light."
Vanillalite
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The fact that they didn't tie this in made it almost feel like it's own thing. Like it's own really good Sci-Fi film.
I loved it, but it definitely didn't feel immediately connected to the previous 6, and I think a large part of that was we didn't get any tie-ins to the grander story.
I think this is the point, that the galaxy doesn't have one big power which holds sway over the majority. The First Order clearly holds sway in certain systems while the New Republic is trying to hold its shit together in the core. Meanwhile, the Resistance is basically the opposition to the First Order.
Damn that was great! I think ESB is still my favorite SW movie but this is either #2 or 3 behind ANH, not sure yet. The characters and humor in this one were best in the series IMO, Rey and Finn are great, Finn took a totally different character arc then I expected from the trailers. I dunno why, but from the trailers I was expecting him to be a more quiet, humble guy. I am glad I was wrong! Poe is the highlight for me in terms of new characters tho, hope to see more of him in the next movie.
Oh and Hans death was really well done. Can't think of anything more terrible then to be killed by your own son.
Also I have been seeing some hate in regards to final fight between Rey/Finn and Kylo that I disagree with. It might actually be my favorite lightsaber battle of the series. It feels like two kids who barely know what they are doing giving it their all. Just raw emotion and energy with a bit less precision and skill then their parents (?), which you can see when they swing their lightsabers wildly and hit trees and the ground and stuff.
Oh and Hans death was really well done. Can't think of anything more terrible then to be killed by your own son.
Also I have been seeing some hate in regards to final fight between Rey/Finn and Kylo that I disagree with. It might actually be my favorite lightsaber battle of the series. It feels like two kids who barely know what they are doing giving it their all. Just raw emotion and energy with a bit less precision and skill then their parents (?), which you can see when they swing their lightsabers wildly and hit trees and the ground and stuff.
bigwinnerx
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After getting spoiler'd to all hell in this very thread, sitting through the actual movie, I didn;t feel those pulls to the OT. I got sucked in. It was fantastic. I can't wait to show this movie to my kids while they get through the Despecialized Editions here at home.
Good stuff. Went tonight by myself and go tomorrow w/ my wife in 9 hours. Can't wait.
This one will be under appreciated for it's humor. That's for certain.
Good stuff. Went tonight by myself and go tomorrow w/ my wife in 9 hours. Can't wait.
This one will be under appreciated for it's humor. That's for certain.
Only because Ren wasn't played by a wooden actor.
OrbitalBeard
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I'm not worried about VIII at all. IX...yeah, I'm a bit nervous.
Now that you mention it. Why didn't they have Y-wings doing the bombing? Also I mirror what you are saying. I was a bit sad that the ship battle felt underwhelming a bit but I really liked Poe.
Btw so Poe is leader of Black Squadron. I wonder if Finn will be part of that once he gets up and Poe helps him become a great pilot.
petethepanda
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We'll see. I wouldn't have expected the fantastic action in Captain America 2 from guys who directed episodes of Arrested Development and Community.
When was the last time I watched the OT lightsaber duels for the action in them?
You know, I like Episode 3 so I appreciate you posting this just so I could understand how ridiculously not better than TFA I know it to be.
Episode 3 contains this scene (as it appears in the script):
"PADME stands in the balcony brushing her hair. ANAKIN leans against the wall, watching her lovingly.
ANAKIN: . . . every second I was thinking of you. Protecting the endless, nameless Outer Rim settlements became a torture . . . the battles were easy, the longing became unbearable . . . I've never been so happy as I am at this moment.
PADME: Annie, I want to have our baby back home on Naboo. We could go to the lake country where no one would know . . . where we would be safe. I could go early-and fix up the baby's room. I know the perfect spot, right by the gardens.
ANAKIN: You are so beautiful!
PADME: It's only because I'm so in love . . .
ANAKIN: No, it's because I'm so in love with you.
PADME: So love has blinded you?
ANAKIN: Well, that's not exactly what I meant . . .
PADME: But it's probably true!
They laugh."
And we all laugh.with them. That scene is Grade-A Embarrassing Celluloid and nothing that remotely approaches the depths of its inanity exists in The Force Awakens. You have helped me to understand the yawning chasm that is the difference in quality between the two films. You are wrong, and the universe will remember you in your wrongness.
no way. none. Choose an actor that makes the scene I just quoted from Episode 3 work.
ViewtifulJC
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he crtl + F to "Han dies" and signed on right then and there
FUBAR McDangles
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Yeah it definitely needed some work. I got the feeling that for whatever reason the New Republic could not publicly endorse the Resistance and kind of kept it on the DL and would not provide all that much. But that was mostly based on speculation and errant lines here and there.
Zeyphersan
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It was good! I mean, it was basically a remake of A New Hope, but it was good
serenewarfare
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I'm not that worried about Episode IX because I largely expect the new SW stuff to be much like the MCU in that who the director is doesn't matter nearly as much as in a normal blockbuster film. The people steering the ship as a whole have more influence than any one director. I could be wrong though, but I think the MCU has shown a good template for how Disney will handle mega-franchises like this.
Vanillalite
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Call me crazy, but I swear the middle especially the scene with the rival gangs and Han felt if anything like Guardians of the Galaxy.
Does anyone else see this or am I crazy?
Does anyone else see this or am I crazy?
My guess would be that the Republic has no central army and that Leia scrapped together this resistance to oppose to First Order and not allow it to become as powerful as the empire once was.
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3rd highest grossing movie of all time at 1.66 billion. I didn't love it, neither did you, but the world certainly did.
Lights and Waves
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I fucking love it. Damn, Han's death was so tense. The only time I felt that the all modules were too much was when the X-Wing's flew into the trench of star killer base. Otherwise I thought it was amazing
Amen.
I got a mix of Guardians and Trek 09 vibes from that part
Hurt and Scared
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The fight with Ray And Ben was great none of that flipping nonsense
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Crossposting this from the OT.
The Force Awakens is hands down the best Star Wars movie. Made up entirely for the prequels. Even "I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere." Even fucking Jar Jar Binks.
Amazed and impressed. Wonderful job, J.J. Let's bring on Rian Johnson and episode VIII!
I sure feel that Ben Solo will turn to the light. He's following the Anakin cycle already, light > dark, the next step is > light.
Wonder what will happen with Finn? He's the only one that doesn't have a set path before him. Kylo will be "fully trained", Poe will remain the top pilot, and Rey is becoming a Jedi under Luke. Hmm.
The Force Awakens is hands down the best Star Wars movie. Made up entirely for the prequels. Even "I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere." Even fucking Jar Jar Binks.
Amazed and impressed. Wonderful job, J.J. Let's bring on Rian Johnson and episode VIII!
I sure feel that Ben Solo will turn to the light. He's following the Anakin cycle already, light > dark, the next step is > light.
Wonder what will happen with Finn? He's the only one that doesn't have a set path before him. Kylo will be "fully trained", Poe will remain the top pilot, and Rey is becoming a Jedi under Luke. Hmm.
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