I think probably my least favourite scene, which felt very out of place, was on the Falcon with the two crews after Han, the CGI beast was abhorrent and im not entirely sure what purpose it solved, the dialogue was also very poor. Just a strange scene honestly.
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Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I'm super confused at what happened to Poe near the beginning. His job was to get the droid back, but he just leaves after his ship crashes. Didn't he kind of abandon his mission? Did he go back to the Resistance and say "sorry guys, couldn't find the droid."? I don't think they implied that he was watching Rey and Finn from the background or anything. Why did he leave without the droid?
Agreed. Wonder why they did it? I suppose they were trying to get as close to 2 hours as possible.
A Link to the Past
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I think the only thing that annoyed me was that Han had BB8 with him and Chewie early on just so that they would know where BB8 is. If they left the droid with Finn and Rey, it'd all be fine.
My best guess is that Han has people looking for it, and when it took off, Han and Chewie got the call that it was out in space.
My best guess is that Han has people looking for it, and when it took off, Han and Chewie got the call that it was out in space.
He mentions that he was looking for it, and that if he could track it's signal then so could the Order.
My other theory is that he knew where it was because Rey is his daughter. (Just a theory)
Bobby Roberts
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He said something like "if you think I could track it, the First Order's gotta have a bead on it" or something like that. I guess he's suggesting that there's something on the ship, or something about the ship, that makes it easily trackable once you get it out in open space?
Basically, he's been looking for it for years anyway, so once it hit space it pinged on whatever he had set up to find it.
gutter_trash
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I hope Maz is dead
Yeah, wasn't a fan of that.
I thought it was a bit distracting in theater 3D. 3D looks so much better on my tv. Next time in the theater gonna watch it in 2D
I believe the ship had some kind of beacon on it or something like that. They traveled to it's location when they saw it pop up on their radar.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Holy shit the facebook convo with my mom just now
Me: looking forward to 8 and 9 more than ever now
Her: will there be one?
Me: yeah already confirmed
Her: what if Harrison Ford dies before that?
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Me: looking forward to 8 and 9 more than ever now
Her: will there be one?
Me: yeah already confirmed
Her: what if Harrison Ford dies before that?
.........
lastplayed
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I'm not a big fan of 3D, but saw one of my two viewings in 3D, there were a couple of cool shots but overall probably not worth it.
The two shots that stood out were Rey inside the crashed Star Destroyer (you get a much better sense of scale in 3D) and that one shot where Ren's Star Destroyer was pointed at the camera, it felt like it was right in front of my face.
Your father, Han Solo.
Our son.
My grandfather.
WE GET IT. Got really grating after the tenth time.
There was someone complaining in one of the prerelease threads about lightsaber duels in the OT vs PT and how the OT they didn't look heavily choreographed with the sabers trying to kill instead of hitting each other. Of course, Abrams was totally going to fix that.
Welp, joke's on you.
Also, if Ben's so powerful, use Force powers when fighting FFS.
I'm nitpicking because I mostly enjoyed it but had some issues with the dialogue and plot structure.
Our son.
My grandfather.
WE GET IT. Got really grating after the tenth time.
There was someone complaining in one of the prerelease threads about lightsaber duels in the OT vs PT and how the OT they didn't look heavily choreographed with the sabers trying to kill instead of hitting each other. Of course, Abrams was totally going to fix that.
Welp, joke's on you.
Also, if Ben's so powerful, use Force powers when fighting FFS.
I'm nitpicking because I mostly enjoyed it but had some issues with the dialogue and plot structure.
Yeah, the force that went to attack the planet-sized weapon was pretty small and had no heavy firepower to really damage the base effectively. I counted like 7 ships and the Falcon leaving the battle. It's gonna be grim times while they rebuild and regather.
Ragnorok64
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I don't believe Kylo Ren is referred to as a Sith. Whatever he is he isn't fully trained and injured.
That said, I hope they do make Finn Force sensative or else being a Jedi has just become laughably easy.
The fact that it's not just simple good guys killing bad guys is the issue.
It's a detail that didn't need to be in there in the first place. That's the point I assume he/she is trying to make.
So the speculation is that Snoke is Darth Plagueis, Emperor Palpatine's master that Palpatine killed:
1. Plagueis was called "Plagueis the wise". Kylo says "the supreme leader is wise" (I know it's weak)
2. Plagueis had the power to bring people back from death. Maybe even himself?
3. Scars on his face might have come from when Palpatine killed him in his sleep.
4. Apparently the music that played when Palpatine was speaking of Plagueis is essentially the same as when Snoke was on screen.
Sevket-Erhat
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So I assume that The Raid guys died yes? What a shame
Does anyone else feel like we need to see Rey with a double-bladed lightsaber once she starts training with Luke? Luke has his lightsaber back, she gets the double-bladed one. I don't know if it's just because she was using the staff or because I just want to see more of those.
I also want to see somebody rocking dual lightsabers but we probably won't unless they start introducing a lot more people who use lightsabers. But they seem to want to keep the numbers down.
I also want to see somebody rocking dual lightsabers but we probably won't unless they start introducing a lot more people who use lightsabers. But they seem to want to keep the numbers down.
Sectorseven
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It just felt like they went from escaping those TIE fighters in a makeshift getaway ship to literally being rescued five minutes later in the movie world.
It's definitely a valid question, but you can ask things like "how did Luke land 30 feet from Yoda out of an entire planet", or "how did Luke somehow miraculously survive his fall on Bespin" and I'm okay with some pure coincidences if they're paid off well.
And Han in this movie paid off well to me. Redeems his lack of any character in ROTJ.
FriendlyGoat
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Not necessarily. I should have elaborated that, despite the constraints, his own voice and talents are able to shine through. I think for Star Wars, that means he can work with the toys and play nice with the studios, while still give us something that is auteur-adjacent. Not unlike JJ, but offering more intriguing possibilities, especially given that he is writing the next film. He is really good at playing around within a genre and giving something compelling, witty, and unique. We haven't seen what he can do with $200 million, because Looper was only $30 million (but honestly felt like a lot more).
I also liked the light saber battle at the end, through the trees. I thought the 3D added to that scene as well.
That frozen blaster shot looked pretty fucking good in 3d on the imax one I was at along with the sound.
IMAX sound system had me looking over my shoulder a handful of times in the movie because I was hearing characters, crackling of trees and shit what felt like 10 ft behind me in the middle of the theater.
Audio was on fucking point.
got those force feels. Leia feels Hans death. She most likely felt the presence and sadness of a strong force user.
There was also a ton of shots cut from the movie.
I do wonder if it would have had more impact if you just had Sydows talk at the beginning (I know who you really are, where you come from) and then Hans "BEN" at the end, perhaps weave in that Hans son was dead and thats the reason him and Leia are not together, but at the end have the confrontation on the bridge.
Would have made it more surprising, climactic
Discotheque
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they were pretty wasted in here. in the worst scene of the movie to boot. would have preferred them cutting that whole sequence and just giving us some more breathing room to see han solo/poe/finn/kylo whoever interact instead.
Subpar Spatula
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Sounds like flimsy logic. Needed Han at a certain point so made up an excuse.
A Link to the Past
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There had to have been some time passed after they jumped though.
Ben noticed something was different about him.
When Finn gets the light saber from Maz she tells him to use it.
Who was sydow supposed to be? Must have missed it
Bobby Roberts
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I bet you guys are right and it's mostly a question of runtime, but I don't know if cuts at the expense of basic coherency (and narrative tension, too) helped. Yeah, the movie is shorter, but now it doesn't make as much immediate sense, and isn't as propulsive as it could be. The second viewing reveals those problems a lot more clearly than the first does, definitely.
Not one person reacted to Han dying in my theater. I was shocked. It was like 'onto the next thing'. Just crazy.
Sectorseven
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Yeah I guess. I wish they had established that better. Maybe a line about how long they've been hiding.
I think a 1-2 of Kylo Ren being Han's son, and killing him in a single 3 minute scene would've been too close for the second emotional punch to hit anything. I like how they spaced it out.
Aren't you more concerned that billions or trillions died in seconds? That people live like slaves scavenging for crap in order to eat? It's a harsh universe. The baby thing was a minor point to me and I don't believe it's a huge travesty in the greater scheme of what's happening and at stakes. We disagree on the extent, severity and impact of what was said re; babies. Let's leave it there.
I saw it in 2D and I'm glad for it. 3D has really added nothing, and even distracted, to so many films since Avatar.
Really liked the movie myself, although there were some moments I did not like.
The first scene in that little village seemed like a soundstage rather than actually in the desert, which is fine, but whatever.
Poe is definitely going to be the new "Han". Hes got attitude, hes got snarkyness, and he is an amazing pilot.
Rey was perfect, could not have asked more of her. A strong female Jedi.
Could see Han's death from a mile away. From all the talk about their son, bringing him back and the walkway. Also that line that Kylo-Ren gave about being torn apart and if Han could help him stop it was just the worst line in the whole movie.
Leia didn't do much, so whatever.
The dogfighting scenes were amazing (I got D-Box tickets and it was sooo good).
Finn and Rey took too quickly to lightsabers. Rey is a bit more understandable if she is gifted in the force, but Finn should have been a pushover for Kylo-Ren with some quick force sidestep or something, hes a trained sith.
The little love angle that Finn has for Rey seems way too forced.
I would have loved if they ended the movie just as Luke was about to turn around, but you had to show him. Hes got the whole Obi-Wan look going, loved it. Good thing Hamill slimmed down for the role.
BB-8 is adorable. They really gave him a lot of personality.
So as some speculation goes, with her force powers, with her being left behind and Han seemingly being a father figure, Rey has to be connected to the Solo's/Skywalker's in some way. Obviously the EU isn't cannon anymore, but they clearly took some inspiration from it. Kylo-Ren is totally Jacen Solo and named Ben just like Luke in the EU named his son in honor of Ben Kenobi.
We hear that Kylo-Ren destroyed the new Jedi order that Luke built and Luke felt it was his fault. Why would Kylo-Ren do it?
Two possible speculations. First, Han and Leia had a second kid, a younger sibling to Kylo-Ren. She showed off more powerful force alignment at a much younger age and he got jealous. Killed the other Jedi's and tried to find more power in the Dark Side just like his grandfather. His younger sister got taken and left on Jakku to hide her away (much like Luke was left on Tatooine). She would have the Skywalker bloodline and the force attunement to go with it, and explains how quickly she got to be a good pilot and how she was fixing the Milenium Falcon and something Han clearly saw in her when he offered her that job.
Second speculation is pretty much the same except that she is actually Luke's daughter, much like in the extended universe he had Ben Skywalker. Again, being left on Jakku for safety would be like Luke's story.
I'd give it a solid 7.5 or 8 out of 10. Lot of good stuff to unpack.
BTW, did anyone else notice at the end, before Luke turned around, on the ground he had like a mini headstone at his feet as if to mark Han's death (as if he felt it in the force)?
edit: forgot to mention the new Death Star. That was the dumbest thing. They need a new weapon. Also if you could have destroyed the New Galactic Republic so easily why didn't you do it earlier? Sucking the sun's energy to power it (the physics alone just ruins this, yes lets drain the sun and destroy the solar system). The First Order, come on, sooooo cheesy, also where the fuck did you find so many people to join you (specially since you aren't the officially recognized government of the galaxy), to build that thing on that planet in that timespan
My parents (and probably people of that generation) are going to hate that they killed off Han.
The first scene in that little village seemed like a soundstage rather than actually in the desert, which is fine, but whatever.
Poe is definitely going to be the new "Han". Hes got attitude, hes got snarkyness, and he is an amazing pilot.
Rey was perfect, could not have asked more of her. A strong female Jedi.
Could see Han's death from a mile away. From all the talk about their son, bringing him back and the walkway. Also that line that Kylo-Ren gave about being torn apart and if Han could help him stop it was just the worst line in the whole movie.
Leia didn't do much, so whatever.
The dogfighting scenes were amazing (I got D-Box tickets and it was sooo good).
Finn and Rey took too quickly to lightsabers. Rey is a bit more understandable if she is gifted in the force, but Finn should have been a pushover for Kylo-Ren with some quick force sidestep or something, hes a trained sith.
The little love angle that Finn has for Rey seems way too forced.
I would have loved if they ended the movie just as Luke was about to turn around, but you had to show him. Hes got the whole Obi-Wan look going, loved it. Good thing Hamill slimmed down for the role.
BB-8 is adorable. They really gave him a lot of personality.
So as some speculation goes, with her force powers, with her being left behind and Han seemingly being a father figure, Rey has to be connected to the Solo's/Skywalker's in some way. Obviously the EU isn't cannon anymore, but they clearly took some inspiration from it. Kylo-Ren is totally Jacen Solo and named Ben just like Luke in the EU named his son in honor of Ben Kenobi.
We hear that Kylo-Ren destroyed the new Jedi order that Luke built and Luke felt it was his fault. Why would Kylo-Ren do it?
Two possible speculations. First, Han and Leia had a second kid, a younger sibling to Kylo-Ren. She showed off more powerful force alignment at a much younger age and he got jealous. Killed the other Jedi's and tried to find more power in the Dark Side just like his grandfather. His younger sister got taken and left on Jakku to hide her away (much like Luke was left on Tatooine). She would have the Skywalker bloodline and the force attunement to go with it, and explains how quickly she got to be a good pilot and how she was fixing the Milenium Falcon and something Han clearly saw in her when he offered her that job.
Second speculation is pretty much the same except that she is actually Luke's daughter, much like in the extended universe he had Ben Skywalker. Again, being left on Jakku for safety would be like Luke's story.
I'd give it a solid 7.5 or 8 out of 10. Lot of good stuff to unpack.
BTW, did anyone else notice at the end, before Luke turned around, on the ground he had like a mini headstone at his feet as if to mark Han's death (as if he felt it in the force)?
edit: forgot to mention the new Death Star. That was the dumbest thing. They need a new weapon. Also if you could have destroyed the New Galactic Republic so easily why didn't you do it earlier? Sucking the sun's energy to power it (the physics alone just ruins this, yes lets drain the sun and destroy the solar system). The First Order, come on, sooooo cheesy, also where the fuck did you find so many people to join you (specially since you aren't the officially recognized government of the galaxy), to build that thing on that planet in that timespan
My parents (and probably people of that generation) are going to hate that they killed off Han.
A Link to the Past
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My mom was slightly upset that Han died
phazedplasma
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In general it feels like a lot was cut
I feel like I like more about what the movie setups more than what it did.
I don't know I thought it was super apparent since they were slotting him in the role of Ben Kenobi. Once they left to deactivate the shields and Leia was like "if you find our son, bring him home" I knew that Han was a dead man and that Ren would kill him. I was more upset with how long they dragged it out.
It was dead silent in my theater when he died. I think everyone was speechless, even though we knew it was coming.
UberTag
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Heh... I love that you referred to him as Miles from LOST.
I was so distracted whenever Ken Leung came on screen. "It's that Asian dude from LOST. JJ must have did him a solid and got him a gig in this flick."
The death flags were so brazen... especially given that this was A New Hope Redux... that there might as well have been some "Han Solo Will Die" comment from YouTube flashing on the screen. It sucks that people were spoiled before watching this (I wasn't), but we were all pretty much spoiled watching the film itself long before Han met his maker.
Instead we find out 45 minutes into the movie in a casual conversation. Stupid decision.
Vampirolol
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Kylo losing is the best thing, at least it's unexpected and gives an arc for the character. He had a wound, Finn is badass and Rey is probably Goten level of power, just like Luke was Gohan.
i agree, this was weird to me. GORGEOUS environment, but like, it could have cut to black with her just reaching the lightsaber out then BOOM credits.
This kind of stood out to me too, especially during the scene between Han and Leia when they're talking about Kylo. It's not a huge issue but it made the dialogue feel a bit clunky, almost like they were concerned we'd forget that he's their son.
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