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[Dreams-Visions]

people calling out Starkiller base's weakness as being as much of a weekness as the death star's.

There is a difference, i believe:

* The death star was 1 had an exhaust port. Which rendered it vulnerable all the time.

* The 2nd death star was simply UNDER CONSTRUCTION. And it was protected by an energy shield. Which rendered it vulnerable during construction and only if the shield were to be deactivated.

* Starkiller Base had a shield that could only be penetrated by LANDING ON THE PLANET AT LIGHT SPEED. And only then would it's weak spot be penetrable. A weak spot that, i would presume, only makes it vulnerable (as in, blowing-it-up) during the short time span of the weapon being all charged up. Before or after firing the shot, it would have only disabled the weapons - without blowing up the entire planet.

Agree.

In fact, it seemed Starkiller base really had no external weaknesses. It took a landing party doing -- as you pointed out -- a light-speed surface drop (something never done before) to break through, then required them to fly so low as to not be spotted. Then they had to infiltrate the base and plant bombs to open up a hole because all those X-Wings with all their proton torpedoes had absolutely no effect or hope of succeeding. Then it took the best pilot in the Rebellion to fly into the wound and blow shit up. Probability of all that success? Gonna go with "low".

 

[robertsan21]

But as Finn displayed for all the world, you apparently don't need any training at all in the force to pick up a lightsaber and use it almost adequately.

yeah you can use it but was he any good with it? Rey was a lot more skilled in fighitng with it than Finn. Finn was on his back most of the time and managed to get a lucky shot in there.

Also, Kylo is far from fully learned, we see that all throughtout the movie

 

[Pattycakes]

So if the Republic is back why is there a resistance? Shouldn't they be apart of the republic?

From what I understand, TNO and Republic have peace treaty. You don't touch our stuff, we don't touch your stuff so to speak. Republic secretly funds terrorists (Resistance) group to fight TNO in TNO territory. TNO knows backed by Republic, which is why they fire on the Republic planets in the System.

 

[Ushojax]

So if the Republic is back why is there a resistance? Shouldn't they be apart of the republic?

The resistance is covertly sponsored by the Republic.

 

[A Link to the Past]

But as Finn displayed for all the world, you apparently don't need any training at all in the force to pick up a lightsaber and use it almost adequately.

The lightsaber may be a Jedi weapon, but anyone can use it. There's an implication now that Stormtroopers have melee combat skills, so it makes perfect sense that Finn would be semi-competent. Compare this to Ren:

1. Ren has a big image of himself
2. Ren is clouded by rage
3. Ren is wet behind the ears, he ain't Vader
4. Ren is injured

And in the end, Finn still lost, and hard. Being able to hold off a wounded Sith Padawan for a bit is not THAT big a deal for someone who likely trained in melee combat.

 

[bananafactory]

Also, Kylo is far from fully learned, we see that all throughtout the movie

Yeah. Kylo took a few Kendo classes, got himself a mask and proclaimed he's all that

Dude is an amateur

 

[brandonh83]

They will keep Kylo as the new Vader I think, but I wouldn't be totally surprised if they made him an anti-hero wounded puppey Loki-type for people to fawn over

Yeah maybe he's just evil as shit, but there's more to Snoke than we know. Kylo seems to be pandering to him, but doesn't seem to like him. And that usually leads to conflict with villains.

 

[Neifirst]

Definitely need some time to think about this, but as much as I thought VII is very well-made and -acted (especially the newcomers), I didn't come away feeling very satisfied, mainly due to the Starkiller Base storyline. It's orders of magnitude bigger and more powerful than the Death Star(s), but the stakes felt smaller for some reason. We were left hanging with the whereabouts of Darth Vader at the end of A New Hope, but there was still a feeling of triumph with the whole award ceremony. I'm not at all clear where things stand vis-a-vis the New Republic and the First Order and where they go from here on the macro level, let alone who Rey really is. I don't mind cliffhangers, but there should be some sense of closure at the conclusion of a film.

Also, does anyone know whether the novelization fleshes out some of the character relationships? Specifically the old man at the beginning and whether Leia knows more about Rey than she's letting on? Every time those two were on screen together it seemed like Leia wanted to say more, but held back for some reason. Might be my imagination.

 

[karma2578]

Score wasn't Williams best, you should listen to Morricones hateful eight score... Amazing!

 

[Shotgun Kiss]

Han died first.

 

[Lach]

So if the Republic is back why is there a resistance? Shouldn't they be apart of the republic?

My interpretation is, that there are disagreements whithin the new republic on how to handle the first order. I guess the official republic wants to be more defensive / peaceful approach, while the resistance more actively fights the thread of Hux & co....

 

[A Link to the Past]

Definitely need some time to think about this, but as much as I thought VII is very well-made and -acted (especially the newcomers), I didn't come away feeling very satisfied, mainly due to the Starkiller Base storyline. It's orders of magnitude bigger and more powerful than the Death Star(s), but the stakes felt smaller for some reason. We were left hanging with the whereabouts of Darth Vader at the end of A New Hope, but there was still a feeling of triumph with the whole award ceremony. I'm not at all clear where things stand vis-a-vis the New Republic and the First Order and where they go from here on the macro level, let alone who Rey really is. I don't mind cliffhangers, but there should be some sense of closure at the conclusion of a film.

Also, does anyone know whether the novelization fleshes out some of the character relationships? Specifically the old man at the beginning and whether Leia knows more about Rey than she's letting on? Every time those two were on screen together it seemed like Leia wanted to say more, but held back for some reason. Might be my imagination.

It makes sense - the first Star Wars was basically about the Death Star, whereas this movie is not about Starkiller.

 

[Sanctuary]

A lightsaber is more than just a weapon, it's a tool of the jedi. Just because someone can swing it around and land a few blows doesn't mean they can use it to the full potential. Let's see Finn try and deflect blaster shots

Lets see Rey do it too? Because I don't recall her doing in this movie either. Lightsabers were setup in the previous movies to be extremely dangerous to wield by those not trained in how to use them properly. Finn picks it up and starts flailing away with it like it's no big deal. Yeah, he was clumsy and brutish with it, but that's my point. It was entirely offputting and kind of rewrote the significance of the weapon.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Lukes reaction to Rey at the end there leads me to believe there is a deeply personal connection between them.

 

[TheKaeptain]

She can be Luke's protégé without being his daughter

Then there is no reason for the chosen one's weapon to reach out to her. Jedi build their own weapons. Luke was the only one that got a hand me down because it was his father's this must continue.

Sagas are poems.

Also, Luke was totally the King in/under the Mountain. I'm going to bet his connection to the force was weakened and he went to the Jedi temple to study/sleep until he was more powerful.

 

[deleted]

I agree with most of it, you get it!
I love the film, it´s not better than any of the original trilogy movies but it is lightyears above the prequels.
However I do have a few things to say.

Finn: felt like his role was meh. Could have been better. Also he aint a jedi so it just feels wrong that he even landed a hit on Kylo in that saber fight.

Snoke, totally agree wit you there, why not make him more interesting looking and not use damn CG. Could have been handle so much better.

Rey: Skywalkers daughter no doubt. Awesome character and she nailed it! Best new Character along with Poe and Kylo IMO.

Kylo: Liked him a lot, him killing off Han was a great for his character buildup in the next 2 movies. Ultimate evil and no turning back now. Loved it.

Luke: well he is bad ass looking, cant wait to see him in EP8.

R2D2: this was so poorly handled in the movie, these idiots are looking for Luke but dont check R2D2 that mysteriously shut down as Luke left? really? thats not suspicious at all?

All signs point towards it. Well - most signs. Her vision showed her being left as a baby, so that doesn't make much sense in the timeline with Lukes disappearance. But he left the map on her planet, she is able to match Kylo Ren with little training, Luke's Saber is calling for her, she is very knowledgeable with tech and she has a similar ark to Luke in IV so far...

Explained everything I had to say perfectly. I literally have nothing to bring up you brought up every single point I wanted to point out.

My only real complaint and what kept this movie from being perfect was the pandering to nostalgia.

I AM YOUR SON

3rd Death Star

Still. Just. Why. COULD HAD BEEN PERFECTION.

Oh and the ending and the camera spin was very anti-climatic and need at least a one liner of a "Hi" or "Your here." "It's time." "Daughter." Something!

I liked the end shot. It fits with the ending of Episode V without being Nostalgia. It's enough of a cliffhanger. It would have hit far better, if we hadn't known before that Luke would return.

 

[Schadenfreude]

And speaking of which, I dunno why Han and Leia would name their son after Obi-Wan. Leia didnt know him and Han didnt really care for him all that much. I know Luke bonded with him super quickly but I just cant see Han and Leia naming their kid after Obi-Wan just as a favor to Luke. Especially since Ben wasnt his real name. Idk just seemed like a lazy emotional callback. Like, "hey and remember Obi-Wan?" I think Leia would have fought tooth and nail to name their son after Bail. I know not a lot of people would remember the name but I think it makes more sense.

 

[A-V-B]

Score wasn't Williams best, you should listen to Morricones hateful eight score... Amazing!

That soundtrack isn't even out yet... is it?

 

[Qblivion]

Lightsabers were setup in the previous movies to be extremely dangerous to wield by those not trained in how to use them properly.

Not really? Luke was already deflecting laser shots blindfolded after a quick lesson.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

yeah you can use it but was he any good with it? Rey was a lot more skilled in fighitng with it than Finn. Finn was on his back most of the time and managed to get a lucky shot in there.

Also, Kylo is far from fully learned, we see that all throughtout the movie

As far as I can recall, Finn killed exactly one guy with it. Then got his ass handed to him 3 or 4 times.

Clearly a blaster is the weapon of choice for anyone that isn't trained, though anyone can make a saber work to a limited degree. Not like he was out there deflecting away blaster shots. He was just...swinging it like a bat. I'm sure anyone can do that. It's not like Mjolnir (an enchanted weapon that can only be activated by the worthy) or something. It's just an inferior weapon of choice in a world with blasters and detonators for everyone except Jedi and Sith and their apprentices.

 

[A Link to the Past]

And speaking of which, I dunno why Han and Leia would name their son after Obi-Wan. Leia didnt know him and Han didnt really care for him all that much. I know Luke bonded with him super quickly but I just cant see Han and Leia naming their kid after Obi-Wan just as a favor to Luke. Especially since Ben wasnt his real name. Idk just seemed like a lazy emotional callback. Like, "hey and remember Obi-Wan?" I think Leia would have fought tooth and nail to name their son after Bail. I know not a lot of people would remember the name but I think it makes more sense.

They should have called him Tarfful

 

[Marty Chinn]

Oh wow. Had no idea.

Anakin's lightsaber/Luke's lightsaber in Ep4, Ep5 and Ep7.

Luke's lightsaber in Ep6.

 

[Ushojax]

Lets see Rey do it too? Because I don't recall her doing in this movie either. Lightsabers were setup in the previous movies to be extremely dangerous to wield by those not trained in how to use them properly. Finn picks it up and starts flailing away with it like it's no big deal. Yeah, he was clumsy and brutish with it, but that's my point. It was entirely offputting and kind of rewrote the significance of the weapon.

Finn is a trained warrior, though. Not some farmhand or smuggler. Rey was also shown to be a skilled warrior on Jakku.

Finn managed to keep Ren at bay for about 15 seconds before he got put down.

All signs point towards it. Well - most signs. Her vision showed her being left as a baby, so that doesn't make much sense in the timeline with Lukes disappearance. But he left the map on her planet, she is able to match Kylo Ren with little training, Luke's Saber is calling for her, she is very knowledgeable with tech and she has a similar ark to Luke in IV so far...

She wasn't a baby when she was left on Jakku, she was 5/6 years old. Also Luke didn't disappear right after ROTJ, he disappeared after Ben attacked the Jedi academy.

 

[brandonh83]

And speaking of which, I dunno why Han and Leia would name their son after Obi-Wan. Leia didnt know him and Han didnt really care for him all that much. I know Luke bonded with him super quickly but I just cant see Han and Leia naming their kid after Obi-Wan just as a favor to Luke. Especially since Ben wasnt his real name. Idk just seemed like a lazy emotional callback. Like, "hey and remember Obi-Wan?" I think Leia would have fought tooth and nail to name their son after Bail. I know not a lot of people would remember the name but I think it makes more sense.

I think Leia had plenty of reverence for Kenobi.

 

[Papercuts]

I still don't like her beating kylo since the whole fight still goes on with her basically using her agility while retreating backwards, gets cornered by a cliff, then channels THE FORCE to overwhelm and beat him. Earlier he did get hurt, but was shown more than once literally beating on the wound to portray how full of adrenaline and anger he was, along with the actual fight itself not showing him being sloppy or really messed up from the injury. Overall it just wasn't well conveyed to me and felt forced.

 

[karma2578]

That soundtrack isn't even out yet... is it?

Came out today on Google play so I'd imagine it's on general release

 

[CasualTR]

Then there is no reason for the chosen one's weapon to reach out to her.

The weapon was likely imbued with immense force energy since the two 'chosen ones' used it.

 

[XAL]

Came out today on Google play so I'd imagine it's on general release

On spotify tomorrow for those peoples.

Yeah maybe he's just evil as shit, but there's more to Snoke than we know. Kylo seems to be pandering to him, but doesn't seem to like him. And that usually leads to conflict with villains.

Definitely. In comparison to Vader, Kylo is interesting because he has a face, he's clearly flawed, and he's actively fighting the light in himself and almost fearful of it like how the Jedi were fearful of the dark side.

I really hope we have the concept of a force neutral user (like grey jedi) that embraces both sides of the force somewhere in these new salvos of media.

 

[jman2050]

I really like this take and it's something I agree with. The prequels made it sound like being a Jedi was just about midicholorians and training, it felt very mechanical.

The Force has always felt a bit nebulous to me and as such I like the fact that someone like Rey can simply attune to it and use their instincts. That power should (and did) triumph over simple technique

Yep, I think it's a case of the prequels poisoning the well by presenting Jedi training as some sort of strict code and organized regimen.

Luke's training wasn't like that in the least. Obi-wan's first lesson to him was using the Force rather than his physical senses to defend himself. Yoda didn't teach technique or anything of the sort, he taught Luke to feel the Force and to control his emotions, to not act impulsive or reckless. His failure to defeat Vader in Empire wasn't because his lightsaber skillz hadn't leveled up enough, it was because he lacked control and was fearful and intimidated.

That's not to say Rey had perfect control or something like that, and I find it unlikely she would have won had Ren not been emotionally unhinged AND injured, but in that particular situation against her opponent, her instincts and tuning with the Force allowed her to prevail.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I still don't like her beating kylo since the whole fight still goes on with her basically using her agility while retreating backwards, gets cornered by a cliff, then channels THE FORCE to overwhelm and beat him. Earlier he did get hurt, but was shown more than once literally beating on the wound to portray how full of adrenaline and anger he was, along with the actual fight itself not showing him being sloppy or really messed up from the injury. Overall it just wasn't well conveyed to me and felt forced.

He allowed her to gain the advantage because he overestimated his abilities and underestimated hers when he gave pause out of desire to turn her.

 

[ISee]

Kylo was mind trick torturing her and she was able to resist his suggestions. She turned the trick onto others, she's probably heard rumors and stories of the jedi and what they were capable of.

Hmm yeah could be.

She has been taking apart ships for like 10+ years and she build her own ship. As for flying skills, it was trial and error. If baby ass vader can teach himself to podrace this isn't that far of a jump.

baby vader flying a space ship and participating (and even winning) a space battle was BS from the beginning. I understand that it might make more sense when you look at ep one but a bad idea is a bad idea no matter how often you repeat it. But granted it didn't butter me that much in ep7. Just something that stood out a bit, still an awesome sequence.

She has been defending herself will a stick-type weapon, a staff, for over a decade. She's demonstrated in the movie that she knows how to use it well. Half of a stick is still a stick, not a big leap to use it effectively.

That's a very good point.

Non-force sensitives can turn on and swing a light saber, has nothing to do with the force. Ren was injured?

I know that. Even Han was able to cut open a Taun Taun with Lukes LS. I mean able to use it in a way without hurting yourself.

 

[Mikeside]

So if the Republic is back why is there a resistance? Shouldn't they be apart of the republic?

The Republic would have to be a completely new entity as everything from before the Empire was completely dissolved. The new Republic would be struggling to unite the galaxy with a million remnants of The Empire roaming about trying to be the new power along with probably whole systems in various states of anarchy, dictatorships etc etc. The Republic don't just suddenly have a bunch of starships, generals etc etc so it stands to reason that something like The Rebellion would be re-purposed to defend the Republic's efforts to restore democracy to the galaxy.

 

[robertsan21]

Lets see Rey do it too? Because I don't recall her doing in this movie either. Lightsabers were setup in the previous movies to be extremely dangerous to wield by those not trained in how to use them properly. Finn picks it up and starts flailing away with it like it's no big deal. Yeah, he was clumsy and brutish with it, but that's my point. It was entirely offputting and kind of rewrote the significance of the weapon.

Im a big starwars nerd and have seen the original trilogy since the 80s. I know what your saying, but at the same time, I never thought that a jedi was the only one to be able to use it. Now finn and Rey are far from skilled with it and they hardly do any damage with it as they dont know how to use it.

Could they have made Finn a worse sword fighter? Yes they could, he is way to skilled to counter a fighter that have had jedi training like Kylo have had, and it would have been better for the film imo. But I have no problem with him using it and it does not take away the significance of the lightsaber for a jedi master that know how to truly use it to his advantage.

 

[Bornstellar]

First impression post viewing.

Disapointment.

Beginning was very strong
Middle was okay
Ending was weak

The movie tried to do too many things and leaned WAY too much on nostalgia to really branch out and claim its own identity, more specifically in the second half.

Kylo was a really interesting villain until his mask came off.

After that, this was all I could think about:

Po's disappearance / reappearance is just disjointed and confusing. Would have been much more interesting if he had been "turned" in that period.

Phasma was utterly WASTED. Off-screen death was super disappointing.

Han's relationship with Kylo / his death were way too obviously foreshadowed.

Fin / Rey being able to more or less hold their own against Kylo with a lightsaber makes him the ultimate punk or them the ultimate naturals.

On nostalgia plays, Akbar saying the EXACT SAME THINGS he said in ROTJ was just grating.

Luke not saying anything is just garbage.

But on a positive note, I think Fin / Rey are excellent new characters. Hopefully we can drop the OG cast ASAP and move on. Keep the story tighter as well next time.

6/10 (mostly on the strength of the first third)

 

[Shuggananas]

Anakin's lightsaber/Luke's lightsaber in Ep4, Ep5 and Ep7.

Luke's lightsaber in Ep6.

Original is the GOAT
Luke's sabre making game is weak

 

[Dreams-Visions]

He allowed her to gain the advantage because he overestimated his abilities and underestimated hers when he gave pause out of desire to turn her.

Well...he paused because his master told him to bring her to him. He wanted to give her an opportunity to join him. Though it's fair to say he didn't expect her to shit on him. Point is, I didn't see the pause as pride or over-estimation; rather the sensing of an opportunity to do his master's bidding.

 

[Randy Lanzarote]

Saw it last night, thinking about it I have a couple of gripes over parts of the story:

- The Death Star Mk 3 made no sense, it felt like an executive just kept saying "We need a Death Star on steroids!" It would have made more sense if its destructive power was to cause a star to explode, thus wiping out the entire system. Surely draining the power out of a sun would cause everyone to freeze to death anyway? :/

- I really didn't like the way that Luke was introduced. During that last 30 minutes I was hoping that he'd surprise everyone by turning up ready to put things right. Why is he still hiding away like a little pussy at the end of the film? I think everyone would have been pumped for Ep VIII knowing that Luke had been called into action, rather than an awkwardly long shot of two people staring at each other whilst a helicopter circles them.

On the whole though, it was an enjoyable movie. I like the new characters, good mix of action/adventure/comedy, less reliance on CG backdrops. It could've been better in parts, but then as any Star Wars fan knows, it could've been a hell of a lot worse!

(Also intrigued at the 20 minutes that were cut. Hoping we get a directors cut.)

 

[CasualTR]

The Republic would have to be a completely new entity as everything from before the Empire was completely dissolved. The new Republic would be struggling to unite the galaxy with a million remnants of The Empire roaming about trying to be the new power along with probably whole systems in various states of anarchy, dictatorships etc etc. The Republic don't just suddenly have a bunch of starships, generals etc etc so it stands to reason that something like The Rebellion would be re-purposed to defend the Republic's efforts to restore democracy to the galaxy.

When the republic was hit by the weapon, people were more fearful because the Republic had the fleet. It was hardly a defenceless political movement.

 

[Carcetti]

Good points. Especially about being a member of the Jedi academy as a young child. I'd even speculate a bit further and say that Luke used a mind trick to block her memory on purpose (maybe...).

Also yeah, they even introduced that she is a capable melee fighter. Stupid me.

I think what's making this weird for us is that when New Hope came out, it was just a really simple movie but with lots of things left unexplained and we were fine with it. Then came the sequels and the countless extended universe things and merchandise, and suddenly every detail in Star Wars needed to be explained somewhere with Lucas-approved canon. What I really liked in this new movie was that I felt like I could just make my own interpretations freely without worrying too much. Just going with what makes most sense for me personally.

They'll probably over-explain everything in a few years so I'm going to enjoy this phase

 

[Sanctuary]

Finn is a trained warrior, though. Not some farmhand or smuggler. Rey was also shown to be a skilled warrior on Jakku.
Finn managed to keep Ren at bay for about 15 seconds before he got put down.

So why was this the first time we've seen a stormtrooper pick up a lightsaber then? Clearly anyone trained with martial weapons can use one with ease right?

Can you honestly say that you didn't expect him to be some kind of force-sensitive from the trailers either? He looked like he was going to be one of the new generation of jedi. Nope, just some random guy out of a few other million stromtroopers just happened to be in the right place, at the right time.

Oh, and he has a heart of gold, so I guess that trope helps.

 

[Pattycakes]

Had there been any word on how much input Episode 8/9 director/writer had on this film? I'm wondering if future sequels will have a case of, "we were setting up to go this way, but now we are going that way."

 

[Dreams-Visions]

So why was this the first time we've seen a stormtrooper pick up a lightsaber then? .

How many light sabers do you think are found casually lying around? Did you forget how rare they were even in the old republic? How much moreso now? The things are relics. And why would anyone but a Jedi/Sith use one? Especially when Stormtroopers and Rebels alike have standard issue blasters? Finn used it when a blaster wasn't available to him.

 

[longdi]

It makes sense - the first Star Wars was basically about the Death Star, whereas this movie is not about Starkiller.

TFA would be a much better movie if the time spent on starbase killer plot is used on the new characters.

 

[Qblivion]

So why was this the first time we've seen a stormtrooper pick up a lightsaber then?

Because the Jedi were more or less extinct? Vader had one. Ben had two. Maybe Yoda still had his?

 

[Kieli]

Just watched it. Have a few thoughts.

But first of all, I don't get why a Sith who has been trained since youth on the Dark Side of the Force lost to a scrub stormtrooper (only fought once, did toilet-cleaning duty) and a person who (while may be strong in the force) has, to our knowledge, never had to fight a Jedi battle before.

 

[AlphaStriker]

I got chills when Rey grabbed the lightsaber, that was so awesome to see! I thought we were going to have to wait until Episode 8 for Rey to get into a lightsaber duel.

 

[robertsan21]

So why was this the first time we've seen a stormtrooper pick up a lightsaber then? Clearly anyone trained with martial weapons can use one with ease right?

Can you honestly say that you didn't expect him to be some kind of force-sensitive from the trailers either? He looked like he was going to be one of the new generation of jedi. Nope, just some random guy out of a few other million stromtroopers just happened to be in the right place, at the right time.

I nailed this from the poster. Rey looks to be holding a lightsaber. I told my friend, rey will be a jedi. But I never thought Finn would not be one I however do enjoy this new plot a lot more than having Finn be a Jedi

 

[Vampirolol]

I hate when people complain about Rey's power. Do they want every movie to be identical? Lore is what ruined Star Wars, look at the prequels and how the over explaining sucked, you have to respect some things but feel free to experiment so give a fuckton of power to Rey and Ren, maybe introduce new Jedis, use everything that has potential.

 

[Ushojax]

So why was this the first time we've seen a stormtrooper pick up a lightsaber then? Clearly anyone trained with martial weapons can use one with ease right?

Can you honestly say that you didn't expect him to be some kind of force-sensitive from the trailers either? He looked like he was going to be one of the new generation of jedi. Nope, just some random guy out of a few other million stromtroopers just happened to be in the right place, at the right time.

Oh, and he has a heart of gold, so I guess that trope helps.

He didn't use it with ease. He swung it around, landed a glancing blow on Kylo and then got his spline slashed. He was about to get killed by that Stormtrooper too before he was rescued.

Sounds like you are just disappointed he didn't turn out to be a Jedi, which may or may not still happen. It is unclear whether he can use the Force.

 

[Sanctuary]

Because the Jedi were more or less extinct? Vader had one. Ben had two. Maybe Yoda still had his?

So, who cares if they were extinct? Do you really think that General Grevious had a monopoly on all of the lightsabers from the jedi that had been killed? What, did they just melt down all of the lightsabers from the fallen jedi? They had to go somewhere, and they don't just vanish when the user dies.

He didn't use it with ease. He swung it around, landed a glancing blow on Kylo and then got his spline slashed. He was about to get killed by that Stormtrooper too before he was rescued.

Sounds like you are just disappointed he didn't turn out to be a Jedi, which may or may not still happen. It is unclear whether he can use the Force.

Only minorly annoyed that the trailers seemed to be intentionally misleading. I'm more annoyed with it seemling like his sole purpose for even wielding it in this was for the "LOOK, SEE!" factor for the movie, not the actual story.