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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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what the fuck are you doing in the spoiler thread? unless that's your thing, then carry on.
SolicitorPirate
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Just got back and loved it,
Rey, Finn and Kylo are wonderful additions to the universe, and I look forward to seeing them out of the shadow of the old cast.
Rey, Finn and Kylo are wonderful additions to the universe, and I look forward to seeing them out of the shadow of the old cast.
Dreams-Visions
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I get the sense that all the old faces will be gone by E8 except for Chewy who will remain through the end of the trilogy. TBQH, I still need my Billy D. Williams fix. E8, please.
yeah, they started the passing of the torch quite nicely. The hardest thing is to make new characters as likeable as the originals and they killed it with these ones. BB-8 was phenomenal and I can't wait for the interaction with R2. It seemed like they had a relationship previously as BB-8 seemed very concerned with R2's condition.
chicko1983
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After giving it some thought my favourite scene is the millennium falcon getaway.
Closely followed by the rey v Kylo ren fight.
Then the one take of Poe cutting sick in the swing when they come to rescue the people at maz's place.
Closely followed by the rey v Kylo ren fight.
Then the one take of Poe cutting sick in the swing when they come to rescue the people at maz's place.
Shuggananas
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If rey had received training ben would have known her. She knows nothing about the force in the beginning of the movie.
Dreams-Visions
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Is Solo the first heroic character to die in a SW film since Qui-Gon in E1?
Shuggananas
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Yoda, mace windu, obi wan kenobi
Big Baybee
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I thought he was in his 30s story wise anyway. Since Luke had been gone for a while due to his student going dark and all.
chronologically or release order?
chronologically -> Ben Kenobi
release order ... Mace Windu, maybe?
and of course Padme
If by "heroic character" you mean 'character central to the plot'
Hyrule Warrior
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Got back a little over an hour ago...been trying to digest the movie, and I dunno. I don't dislike it, so that's something. I don't think it's a bad movie, and I suppose I'd say it's good. My gut tells me that the best I can say about it though is "well, they at least did a good effort". They tried to make it a movie that felt like the original trilogy, and yeah...it sorta did.
At the same time...I kept feeling like something was missing. Maybe the pacing? Felt like there might've been too much nonstop action, and not enough moments to breath. Maybe when they introduce Han Solo, I feel like we didn't need an action scene where "Oops, han solo is back to his old ways of screwing over other people" with a bunch of CG creatures to be honest. Kinda ruined his arc from the original movies to make it seem like he's just gonna go back to the way he was.
I don't feel they did a good enough job explaining what exactly Kylo Ren's beef was, and what shifted him to the dark side. And who the hell is this snook guy? Where did he come from? Dude looks mad old, and as such I am wondering where the hell was he when the Empire was in power during the old trilogy. I'm not a fan of movie trends these days where every film has to be part of a bigger narrative. A New Hope was clearly part of a bigger story, but it didn't introduce more than what we needed to know, in order to avoid people asking the kind of questions I have now.
Also, man with all the marketing, I kept thinking Phasma would play a bad ass villain like Ren, but...uh... Phasma did 2 things in this movie: jack and shit.
At the same time...I kept feeling like something was missing. Maybe the pacing? Felt like there might've been too much nonstop action, and not enough moments to breath. Maybe when they introduce Han Solo, I feel like we didn't need an action scene where "Oops, han solo is back to his old ways of screwing over other people" with a bunch of CG creatures to be honest. Kinda ruined his arc from the original movies to make it seem like he's just gonna go back to the way he was.
I don't feel they did a good enough job explaining what exactly Kylo Ren's beef was, and what shifted him to the dark side. And who the hell is this snook guy? Where did he come from? Dude looks mad old, and as such I am wondering where the hell was he when the Empire was in power during the old trilogy. I'm not a fan of movie trends these days where every film has to be part of a bigger narrative. A New Hope was clearly part of a bigger story, but it didn't introduce more than what we needed to know, in order to avoid people asking the kind of questions I have now.
Also, man with all the marketing, I kept thinking Phasma would play a bad ass villain like Ren, but...uh... Phasma did 2 things in this movie: jack and shit.
SolicitorPirate
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You're right actually. I wasn't thinking of it at the time, but creating characters as likeable as film icons like Han Solo and Darth Vader sounds like a nigh impossible task. I feel Kylo Ren isn't yet on the same level as Vader, but Finn and Reynare definitely every bit as great to watch as Luke, Leia and Han.
Yeah, that's how I felt as well. Han Solo got a big part in this movie as a send off, and I get the feeling they'll use Luke and Leia sparingly throughout the new trilogy,
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But she's a mechanical genius and can fly the Falcon and understand a light saber from the moment she chooses to fight with it.
Just saw it for the third time. And I'm staying with it that if Rey is related to anyone it's Obi-Wan.
The vision is filled with lines that very closely resemble lines Obi-Wan spoke in ANH. Hell the 'Rey' part sounded just like Sir Alec Guinness and I listened very good to it now. After that part the voice whispers 'these are your first steps', once again very close to what Obi-Wan said in ANH with 'you've taken your first step into a larger world'.
Then there is the first time Rey speaks. It's some alien language to scare away someone and save a droid, just as Obi-Wan did in ANH.
Beyond what I said yesterday that a lot of the imagery surounding her on Starkiller base really mimics that of Obi-Wan on the Death Star and her giving Luke his lightsaber she also speaks with a brit accent.
I'm not saying she's his granddaughter but if she's related to anyone it's Kenobi.
The vision is filled with lines that very closely resemble lines Obi-Wan spoke in ANH. Hell the 'Rey' part sounded just like Sir Alec Guinness and I listened very good to it now. After that part the voice whispers 'these are your first steps', once again very close to what Obi-Wan said in ANH with 'you've taken your first step into a larger world'.
Then there is the first time Rey speaks. It's some alien language to scare away someone and save a droid, just as Obi-Wan did in ANH.
Beyond what I said yesterday that a lot of the imagery surounding her on Starkiller base really mimics that of Obi-Wan on the Death Star and her giving Luke his lightsaber she also speaks with a brit accent.
I'm not saying she's his granddaughter but if she's related to anyone it's Kenobi.
Xisiqomelir
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Phonepostan, really enjoyed this movie. 2 complaints
1 Jacen bin Kylo is neither compelling nor threatening as a villain, snokemort has promise tho
2 What the hell is going on with John Williams? We at least got the Duel of the Fates out of the Prequels. Can any GAFfer even hum 2 bars from any part of this OST?
1 Jacen bin Kylo is neither compelling nor threatening as a villain, snokemort has promise tho
2 What the hell is going on with John Williams? We at least got the Duel of the Fates out of the Prequels. Can any GAFfer even hum 2 bars from any part of this OST?
When Kylo Ren says he wants to finish what Vader started, what exactly does he have on his mind?
What is his motivation? Didnt Leia and Solo explain to him what happened? Supposedly Luke trained him and he was seduced by Snoke.
But I am curious what it is that he is refferring to when he says that line "i'll finish what you started".
What is his motivation? Didnt Leia and Solo explain to him what happened? Supposedly Luke trained him and he was seduced by Snoke.
But I am curious what it is that he is refferring to when he says that line "i'll finish what you started".
Shuggananas
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A light saber is just a sword, finn used it too
She's good at piloting shit like anakin was
* have a Skywalker rule the Galaxy.
* convert Luke Skywalker to the dark side or kill him
Dash_Riprock
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Bring Peace and Order to the Galaxy, as Vader told Luke.
pock3tmonster
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I don't see Kylo redeeming himself. I watched the movie for a second time tonight and I think when he killed Han, he purged what little "light" was left in him. The last light of the sun/star going out just before he commited the deed, suggests as much. Kylo's line earlier in the film, about Snoke knowing that the light was still calling to him and Snoke's final words in the film after Han's death, about Kylo having to complete his training are further suggestive. Kylo has turned completely to the dark side and unlike Anakin, there is no light left.
Hyrule Warrior
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Well see, from what I gathered, Kylo Ren is an idiot who likes to think of history as bits and pieces he can choose to acknowledge. He'll finish what Vader started....right...so, shouldn't he be going back to the light side then? Because Anakin redeemed himself.
Well Snoke probably gave the final push. But he always had an affinity for the dark side as made clear in the dialogue between Han and Leia. Han says: he has too much Vader in him and Leia responds with: "thats why I send him to Luke" so the dark side was always something that was present with him.
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Just me speculating. I hope she turns into a good character.
I assume he meant the extinction of the Jedi.
pock3tmonster
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I interpreted it as eliminating the Jedi. Anakin started that in the prequel trilogy alongside Order 66. Hence why Kylo is so intent on hunting down Luke and Supreme Leader Snoke doesn't want the Resistance to find him. Snoke expressed himself that more Jedi would come from Luke being found, not killed.
I was wondering that too, Vader didn't really have a grand plan, did he? But maybe Ben just imagines that Vader wanted to rule the Galaxy and wipe out the Rebellion, so that's probably what he is referring to.
also, she's rather shit with the light saber right after picking it up. Only after entering Neo mode, where she stops trying to swing the saber, but much rather lets the force guide her movement, she does better.
it's like Luke with the blast shield down.
Before, Luke trusted his conventional senses. seeing, hearing and trying to react accordingly.
When Rey closes her eyes and starts "using the force", i think it's also among the first times that she gives up 'control' and lets someone else 'grab her hand and guide her' - the force, in this case.
well, seeing as Luke knows and he's Kylo Ren's teacher, he does know.
but seeing as Luke's also the person that Kylo Ren betrayed, i would believe he'd be also quick to dismiss Luke's 'certain point of view' of things.
He literally puts Vader onto some sort of pedestal / shrine. I don't think facts would matter much, he's idolizing a certain idea of how Vader was.
I see some people praising John Williams's soundtrack. Am I really the only one that thought it was just old Star Wars themes plus generic Williams-isms? I remember nothing about his new material, and I wonder how he felt when he was obviously given the direction of "just use your old material, mang." However, I wasn't expecting much since JW hasn't composed anything of note in the last ten years, so I wasn't particularly disappointed. I didn't expect them to re-use so much, and so often, though. Coincidentally, ROTS is one of his last great works (and doesn't resort to constantly re-using music from the OT.)
I still Giacchino might've delivered something better, although obviously the soundtrack would still have been hugely reverent and constantly referring back to the OT, like the entire movie.
JJ has too much ADD for that. This movie was definitely not especially great looking in any truly memorable way. But Star Wars has never been particularly artsy anyway.
I still Giacchino might've delivered something better, although obviously the soundtrack would still have been hugely reverent and constantly referring back to the OT, like the entire movie.
JJ has too much ADD for that. This movie was definitely not especially great looking in any truly memorable way. But Star Wars has never been particularly artsy anyway.
Huw_Dawson
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I said this a couple of nights ago, after seeing it, but does it bother anyone else that Raye is a Mary Sue character? New can-do-everything character who bonds and forms instant relationships with everyone she meets.
Blue Ninja
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Say what you will, but the wide shot of Han and Ben on the bridge was gorgeous.
Totally agree.
There were a few great shots that gave an incredible sense of scale - mostly around the dead star destroyer and the AT-AT, but that last shot would have been great if they'd sort of mirrored the classic Luke on Tatooine looking at the suns shot.
Huw_Dawson
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Massive stroke of luck - Finn worked there as a sanitation officer.
This movie is about a string of massive coincidences - but this is Star Wars, so that's to be expected.
Shuggananas
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FN2187 gave the intel, that fookin traitor
OricWindstar
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Totally agree. Put that sinking feeling in my stomach, just knowing what was probably about to happen.
It was due to a recon flight combined with the information from Finn.
Captain Phasma has been confirmed to be in Episode VIII.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ars-the-force-awakens-20151206-htmlstory.html
I think she's entertaining enough to overcome it. She also pushes against her destiny a bit. I hope like Luke she grows more complex later on.
SuperBanana
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Something tells me they're desperately trying to make Phasma the next Boba Fett. Unique armour, barely in the movie, hardly says a word, but marketed to hell.
they didn't have "designs". They had the surface mapped out and it was Finn(!) who had to point out where the ... uhm ... energy-stabilizer-thingamabob was located.
Her abilities for self defense and tinkering are explained by her life on Jakoo.
Beyond that ... uhm, well, the force. It's Star Wars, after all.
And i found the bonding to be rather organic. At first she dismisses BB8 and even attacks Finn, but from being dependent on one another their friendship grows stronger.
And with limited runtime, certain bonding HAS to happen faster.
I just loved that scene. Yes, you instantly know what's going to happen, but IMO it was done perfectly.
I had zero expectations for Phasma even after she was introduced, so I guess I would be in the minority here. I figured she was just a one-off character that you'd see once and then never again. Even when she showed up later, I didn't even know who she was until they made a reference that she was the person from the beginning.
But I have no clue where this hope/expectation for importance of her character comes from that a lot of people seem to be displaying.
But I have no clue where this hope/expectation for importance of her character comes from that a lot of people seem to be displaying.
Oh, btw, did you catch the Thomas Brodie-Sangster Cameo?
iirc he's the imperial officer who most likely got killed by Finn shooting up the hangar-bridge from their TIE fighter when still being attached to the fuel-hose.
edit: speaking of Phasma. There was another (non-phasma) female storm-trooper, right?
iirc he's the imperial officer who most likely got killed by Finn shooting up the hangar-bridge from their TIE fighter when still being attached to the fuel-hose.
edit: speaking of Phasma. There was another (non-phasma) female storm-trooper, right?
SporeCrawler
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I liked the prequels to be honest in particular revenge of the jedi (ewan mcgregor as obiwan for example). people give it way too much undeserved shit.
Also I LOVE how they got some audio of Alec Guinness saying the name Ray for his little bit during her discovery of the Saber to hear Obi-Wan saying "Rey...".
So are we assuming Luke purposely left part of a map with Max Von Sydow's character and Artoo to find him when the time came? Because it seems a pretty odd to be able to have a map to the guy who went disappeared otherwise.
So are we assuming Luke purposely left part of a map with Max Von Sydow's character and Artoo to find him when the time came? Because it seems a pretty odd to be able to have a map to the guy who went disappeared otherwise.
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