It's actually a legitimate technique in lightsaber combat with a name so it's not a shock many practitioners go for it. It's an effective way of neutralizing the enemy without killing them.
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It's actually a legitimate technique in lightsaber combat with a name so it's not a shock many practitioners go for it. It's an effective way of neutralizing the enemy without killing them.
He went apeshit and trashed the room after the officer told him the droid had escaped. He grabbed the officer by the throat after he said there was a girl that helped Finn escape and asked "What girl?".
The officer's pained reaction to having to tell him bad news, and the stormtroopers who did a Grandpa Simpson in the hallway after hearing him raging tells me Ren trashing rooms (and personnel) in a rage is a regular occurrence in the First Order. Like on your training list of things that might kill you as a stormtrooper, "Kylo Ren decapitates you after having a bad morning" is right below "Rebel scum shoots you".
yeah, I say sporcle in my head when i hear it
One argument is she has been designed to be that way, if Anakin was made by the force (or perhaps by Plagueis) then its entirely possible she is too.
I have seen the trailers but did not take those slow motion shots of Phasma walking to be indicators of huge importance. And again, the fact that Gwendoline Christie, et al. never had anything to say about Phasma except her gender seemed like a huge sign to me that there would be very little to this character, at least as far as VII is concerned.
Razgriz-Specter
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Other than my major New Republic complaint,
Soundtrack was my only real disappointment.
Even Han's death which I thought would piss me off I thought was done well enough.
Soundtrack was my only real disappointment.
Even Han's death which I thought would piss me off I thought was done well enough.
Question from a casual fan: Did the prequels retcon that Stormtroopers were all clones? Watching the OT it seemed like they were just normal guys, but then we had the clone nonsense in the PT.
And now, obviously they're not clones in this movie, so did JJ and friends just ignore that from the PT? And something was mentioned about clones in the new movie, wasn't it?
And now, obviously they're not clones in this movie, so did JJ and friends just ignore that from the PT? And something was mentioned about clones in the new movie, wasn't it?
robertsan21
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Also, the last scene with Luke, if that was not a father laying eyes on his long lost daughter then I dont know what
If they're like me, no line, but the movie HEAVILY implied it.
Everybody who walked out of it with me were all in agreement that Rey is totally Luke's daughter.
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They stopped being all clones between 3 and 4.
The Stormtroopers were always conscripts. Clones were phased out after the Empire was formed.
There's a throw away line about going back to clone troopers in Ep 7 after Finn goes AWOL, if I remember right
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Yeah Kylo Ren says to Hux "Maybe we should go back to using clones" or something like that when Finn defects.
Rey knows that Leia and Han are / were in love.
Leia knows / felt that Han was killed.
Leia sees(!) that Rey is sad (because she was a huge fan of Han and he had become a sort of mentor to her)
They then comfort one another with a sincere hug.
Like people would.
Ren kinda goes all "should've just used clone troopers" after they find out it was Finn who helped Poe escape.
Hux says "my soldiers are hand picked and perfectly trained, F.N.somethingsomething is the first to show disobedience"
i suppose it's a matter of preference.
trained soldiers / clones / robots.
all of them have their up- and downsides.
at some point the clones had to be replaced which is the way I always took it.
WadiumArcadium
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The stormtroopers were never all clones. They were slowly retired from duty and replaced with non-clone conscripts.
The stormtroopers in the First Order are taken when they are children and raised to fight for them, whilst they feed them with their propaganda.
PuppetMaster
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Obviously they could not make a starwars movie without Han Solo. But I am glad they wrote him out. He was a bit too much baggage to carry into the next movies. But I did like him ib this movie. And he had an death befitting a major character.
That was comedy gold
Stormtroopers in the OT are not clones either, just men. The clones from the PT would have been old even by then, given they had accelerated aging. They'd have all died off by the ST, 50 years after the PT ended.
The Sith are gone as far as we know. Vader/Anakin ended them.
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Stormtroopers≠clone troopers
Messypandas
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I believe the TV shows show that the clones age quickly and die off, and are just phased out for new normal recruits. No retcon.
we'll need to gif that for future use
Anton Sugar
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Yup, heard him.
haha, that or "nope"
Best laugh of the film was BB8's lighter/middle-finger. Even got a good chuckle out of me and I tend to be very non-reactive in any film.
Walter Matthau
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I liked how the movie seems to poke fun at itself and the SW universe in general. The back to back scenes of "and I'll drop the gun" followed by the Storm Troopers being like "nope" when Ren was flipping out. I feel like most of the intentional jokes landed pretty well.
The movie did a somewhat admirable job of trying to stick closer to the original trilogy's aesthetic. Some parts are a little jarring especially Maz and the tentacle monsters, but overall the cheese factor/CGI was tolerable.
Rey makes for a good Jedi. I'm hoping they don't make her backstory overly ridiculous. It's clear based on scenery that significant events occurred on Jakku at some point.
Ren's mask voice is GOAT. I'm not a fan of Adam Driver despite liking most movies that he's in, but he fits decently in this role. I just hope they keep the mask on him for most of the sequels because it makes him look a bit more formidable.
The movie did a somewhat admirable job of trying to stick closer to the original trilogy's aesthetic. Some parts are a little jarring especially Maz and the tentacle monsters, but overall the cheese factor/CGI was tolerable.
Rey makes for a good Jedi. I'm hoping they don't make her backstory overly ridiculous. It's clear based on scenery that significant events occurred on Jakku at some point.
Ren's mask voice is GOAT. I'm not a fan of Adam Driver despite liking most movies that he's in, but he fits decently in this role. I just hope they keep the mask on him for most of the sequels because it makes him look a bit more formidable.
Grover Cleveland
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The clone factories on Kamino were destroyed and most of the clones died through attrition between the trilogies.
The vast majority of Palpy's army (and subsequently FO) were voluntary and involuntary conscripts.
But yellow eyes are just when you've mastered the dark side no? Sith is just a label.
Sith (and Darths) are gone. Kylo is his proper name, He is the current Master of the Knights of Ren. All of this was said over the course of the movie if you look for it. Both "Knights of Ren" and "a Master Ren"
Basically. The Dark Side is the Dark Side. many have wielded it over the years. Look at the Inquisitors in Rebels. Again, they are not Sith, apprentices, etc.. Merely inquisitors who use the Dark Side.
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That was a thumbs up bro
They never mentioned Snoke or Kylo Ren being Sith in the film. Most likely they are just dark side users. The Sith are a specific order, after all, not all dark side users are Sith.
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1- Empire Strikes Back
2- The Force Awakens
3- A New Hope
4- Return of the Jedi
5- Revenge of the Sith
6- The Phantom Menahce
200th - Attack of the Clones
Part of me wants Rey to be a Skywalker but ... you'd think Luke wouldn't make the same mistake Anakin did. But, both Luke and Leia turned out to remain on the Light side of the Force. Ben however was tempted and destroyed nearly every Jedi Padawan thank to Snoke. I think that Luke knew Ben couldn't be saved and just "left" him. He picked up Rey, wiped her mind (hence the "trigger" scene Rey has when she touches the saber ...) and dropped her on Jakku. Snoke turned Ben to the Dark Side and probably wanted to do the same to Rey but didn't know where she was dropped. Luke might've sensed Rey's potential and made sure she wouldn't be found untill he himself was ready to resume her training. The look on Luke's face at the end of the movie did it for me. You could see the pain he is in and the way he reacts to her ...
I have a feeling that Episode 8 will revolve around Snoke trying to find Rey and turn her so he can dispose of Ben. Seeing as Ben is still in touch with the Light Side of the Force. Ben redeeming himself and turns back to the Light-Side while Rey gets manipulated in killing Luke.
1- Empire Strikes Back
2- The Force Awakens
3- A New Hope
4- Return of the Jedi
5- Revenge of the Sith
6- The Phantom Menahce
200th - Attack of the Clones
Part of me wants Rey to be a Skywalker but ... you'd think Luke wouldn't make the same mistake Anakin did. But, both Luke and Leia turned out to remain on the Light side of the Force. Ben however was tempted and destroyed nearly every Jedi Padawan thank to Snoke. I think that Luke knew Ben couldn't be saved and just "left" him. He picked up Rey, wiped her mind (hence the "trigger" scene Rey has when she touches the saber ...) and dropped her on Jakku. Snoke turned Ben to the Dark Side and probably wanted to do the same to Rey but didn't know where she was dropped. Luke might've sensed Rey's potential and made sure she wouldn't be found untill he himself was ready to resume her training. The look on Luke's face at the end of the movie did it for me. You could see the pain he is in and the way he reacts to her ...
I have a feeling that Episode 8 will revolve around Snoke trying to find Rey and turn her so he can dispose of Ben. Seeing as Ben is still in touch with the Light Side of the Force. Ben redeeming himself and turns back to the Light-Side while Rey gets manipulated in killing Luke.
i think that's something that will be expounded on in the next movie(s)
Future PhaZe
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rey is bae
it is law
it is law
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This...
WadiumArcadium
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Nah, you weren't supposed to. He's called Lor San Tekka and is a follower of the Church of the Force according to the visual dictionary.
I'm not saying you aren't supposed to speculate about that, that's how JJ operates.
That said, The Force also explains everything. Obi-Wan felt every death on Alderaan. They weren't all his children. Yoda knows everything there is to know about Luke, but they aren't related.
Razgriz-Specter
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Clone about 4 years pre-ANH.
Jango's DNA for production was breaking down, phased out as they got old and a few remained as advisors and trainers.
I didn't hear Yoda, but I heard Obi-Wan at the end of that sequence.
That we don't know! It may be a mark of the Sith or it may be a mark of the dark side. This is gonna be the first time we really get to see a dilineation in simply being dark side as opposed to being a Sith in the movies.
Sith was more than a label, though. It was the way they were taught. It was as much a label as Jedi is--you are a Sith when you have learned the teachings of the Sith, which Kylo doesn't have.
cool. good to know. actually it's nice that it wasn't forced onto a previous character or something.
Messypandas
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Someone with a history with Ren and probably Luke. I do like the idea he's Boba Fett but thats just some fanwank.
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