I wondered the same thing. It seems like the most inefficient weapon ever made.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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That's true you do have a point.
I loved it.
As a long-time fan on the original episodes 4-6, it feels like a logical continuation that captures the tone of those films. It feels like a film made with the DNA of the original trilogy. I think JJ nailed it. I love almost all of the new characters.
It's not perfect.
- I'm not crazy about the new Emperor being 100% CG. Although it's well done.
- I disliked the CG character with the giant goggle glasses that tried to give Rey Luke's saber - although her voice actor is excellent.
- Maybe I missed a scene, but the transition from the bar scene to Rey finding (very conveniently) Luke's saber felt clumsy and inadequate for some thing of that weight
- The "hey look its another mos-eisly like cantina scene" seemed a little forced and that location seemed cooler in the trailer than what it turned out to be.
- There are a few really big coincidences that feel a little forced here and there. Han's reveal lacked...something. Felt like it could have handled a little better but Ford's performance more than makes up for it. This the polar opposite of the "Part time!" phone-it-n performance we saw out of him in Crystal skull
- Some of the references to A New Hope's structures probably follow it a little too closely, but it's forgivable because they're trying to get a new generation of people into this AND almost every instance of this has a slight twist of originality to it that doesn't play out exactly the same way it does in the structures it's referencing. There's some nice playing with your expectations and surprises that go on here.
I see some complaining about not everything being explained butI think everything we needed to know was shown. We didn't need any exposition about the First Order in this film.
I absolutely adore that the Force has returned to it's rightful place as being a mystical thing that seems to direct people towards their destiny.
Good shit. Want to see it again soon.
As a long-time fan on the original episodes 4-6, it feels like a logical continuation that captures the tone of those films. It feels like a film made with the DNA of the original trilogy. I think JJ nailed it. I love almost all of the new characters.
It's not perfect.
- I'm not crazy about the new Emperor being 100% CG. Although it's well done.
- I disliked the CG character with the giant goggle glasses that tried to give Rey Luke's saber - although her voice actor is excellent.
- Maybe I missed a scene, but the transition from the bar scene to Rey finding (very conveniently) Luke's saber felt clumsy and inadequate for some thing of that weight
- The "hey look its another mos-eisly like cantina scene" seemed a little forced and that location seemed cooler in the trailer than what it turned out to be.
- There are a few really big coincidences that feel a little forced here and there. Han's reveal lacked...something. Felt like it could have handled a little better but Ford's performance more than makes up for it. This the polar opposite of the "Part time!" phone-it-n performance we saw out of him in Crystal skull
- Some of the references to A New Hope's structures probably follow it a little too closely, but it's forgivable because they're trying to get a new generation of people into this AND almost every instance of this has a slight twist of originality to it that doesn't play out exactly the same way it does in the structures it's referencing. There's some nice playing with your expectations and surprises that go on here.
I see some complaining about not everything being explained butI think everything we needed to know was shown. We didn't need any exposition about the First Order in this film.
I absolutely adore that the Force has returned to it's rightful place as being a mystical thing that seems to direct people towards their destiny.
Good shit. Want to see it again soon.
Perfect Cha0s
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I actually like Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle, too.
But yeah, Rey's Theme is fantastic. It's playful and unique in a way that I can see it becoming an iconic piece of Star Wars music. Especially in later films when it will be (presumably) elaborated upon, hopefully with a more bombastic rendition for when Rey does something particularly badass lol
The Omega Man
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Saw it yesterday, I came out out the movie theater with... nothing.
If I have to say something about this movie the word I'd use would be "competent", the movie made sure that it wouldn't repeat the mistakes from the PT and I'll give it that, what irks me the most I think is the soundtrack, bland and forgettable it doesn't pack the punch of the OT's heck even PT's had some amazing songs in it.
Fuck, I need to watch it again, maybe I'd like it more on my second watch.
If I have to say something about this movie the word I'd use would be "competent", the movie made sure that it wouldn't repeat the mistakes from the PT and I'll give it that, what irks me the most I think is the soundtrack, bland and forgettable it doesn't pack the punch of the OT's heck even PT's had some amazing songs in it.
Fuck, I need to watch it again, maybe I'd like it more on my second watch.
It's undeniable that the quality of the acting in this movie is definitely better than the prequels.
Which is, you know, not saying much, but still!
Still, holy shit Christensen was awful. It was really sad to see Darth Vader reduced to an angsty teenage emo-goober.
gutter_trash
Banned
I'm annoyed that Andy Serkis plays Snoke.
Tired of Serkis being ''that'' performance capture guy. He tends to act the same all the time
Tired of Serkis being ''that'' performance capture guy. He tends to act the same all the time
Sectorseven
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Maybe this was explained, but if the Republic is firmly in place, shouldn't they have an army that can fight the first order? Especially after the capital got wiped out, why doesn't that lead to all out war rather than the continuation of this proxy war they're fighting with a rather inadequate resistance? That fight at the end should have had hundreds of battle ships and thousands of ground troops.
Gunmonkey36
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Maybe it's just me but I enjoyed the pacing. I felt like no time was wasted. I was constantly getting another part of the story. I will say some of the pacing caused some quick awkward sounding dialogue. The conversation between Leia and Han when talking about "losing" their son felt rushed and not well developed, but Leia and Han are supposed to be awkward together.
Also, yes, I'd watch a movie entirely about Poe Dameron.
This. Williams is on autopilot and has been for quite some time. But Williams on autopilot is still better than most other composers. At his age, we're lucky he's still working at all and his score for this movie has many fine moments (and at the very least is functional). The music he wrote for the Starkiller destroying the planets was achingly sad and a gut punch.
RIP Thrawn. Such a great character.
I disagree. Rey had murder in her eyes, and I thought that was great.
Pretty sure the Starkiller would be meaner without the actual weapon part. Suck up the sun, all planets nearby starve/freeze to death. Rougher than the quick exit they were given. 
I agree with those that thought the movie could have used a few more minutes to flesh things out. The one that springs to mind the most is Rey using the Jedi Mind Trick on Stormtrooper FN-007. Maybe just a couple minutes with Han asking questions ("could Jedi really control peoples' minds?"). But that is a minor complaint that doesn't take away from how much I enjoyed the movie.
My new rankings:
1. ESB
2. TFA
3. ANH
4. ROTJ
I agree with those that thought the movie could have used a few more minutes to flesh things out. The one that springs to mind the most is Rey using the Jedi Mind Trick on Stormtrooper FN-007. Maybe just a couple minutes with Han asking questions ("could Jedi really control peoples' minds?"). But that is a minor complaint that doesn't take away from how much I enjoyed the movie.
My new rankings:
1. ESB
2. TFA
3. ANH
4. ROTJ
Moff
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the official star maps marks "the original location of starkiller base", so it's implied it indeed moves around. I don't think that was shown in the movie. but really a lot was not shown or explained in the movie.
Yes...Gollum, Caesar, King Kong, Haddock...absolutely identical characters.
Good god, this would be the fucking GOAT.
The execution of Anakin's backstory left to be desired. But it WAS convincing. It made a lot of sense. It might have had clunky writing and acting, but the fundamentals absolutely work. His fear of losing loved ones was played well with his mother, the fact that his transgression of the jedi code forced him to have only one ally, the chancellor, he turned into a mass murderer because he felt cornered. Palpatine played his anxiety well. Poor execution, obviously, but I still can relate to what happened and I think it was decent.
Kylo is literally a piss baby. Yes they can make anything out of him, in the future, with more info, but right now, he is a little whiny brat that killed his father and was "waiting a long time for this".
Vader had nothing to go back to, if he did things would be entirely different (and we know that with his interaction with Luke once he learns the truth).
Kylo had everything. Humanity, family, love, legacy, even power (as son of Leia). It's going to be pretty hard for them to make a 12 years old turning evil feel intense.
The fact that he was so torn in this movie also means that whichever motivation he had, was absolutely not solid conviction, which means it wasn't justified to be that evil in the first place.
The only thing they can do, is emphasize how Snoke got into his head and made him a puppet.
Dreams-Visions
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Pacing felt fine to me, tbh. Though the development of a few more things would have been welcome. I would have gladly sat through another 30 minutes of action and dialogue.
It feels a bit cutdown. I wonder if they could Director's Cut it.
The "light of hope" imagery surrounding the Starkiller assault and Kylo's turn was on point.
Yeah, that was very close to an, oh shit rage leading someone to the darkside moment for me. Also on a side note, I thought the scene of Rey eating by the foot of an AT-AT and putting on a rebel pilot helmet was great
Chezzymann
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Im assuming rey is like Korra was to Aang, way more powerful when it comes to brute force and learns things easier. Also she already was a good fighter so lightsaber battling came naturally. But maybe the spiritual side is harder for her to learn.
Both my gf and my brother hadn't seen what Kylo looked like under the mask until we actually saw the movie, and neither of them liked how he looked. I thought his look was perfect for the role, but maybe I've had more time to think about it since those pictures of him maskless came out many months ago.
Bobby Roberts
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Star Trek (09) was a slightly better Star Wars movie than this Star Wars movie. Which is okay, as I really, really liked Star Trek.
1) The Empire Strikes Back
2) Star Wars
3) The Force Awakens
4) Revenge of the SIth
5) Return of the Jedi
6) The Phantom Menace
7) Attack of the Clones
The threads left hanging by this film make me kinda excited, knowing that Rian Johnson is gonna be the one picking 'em up.
1) The Empire Strikes Back
2) Star Wars
3) The Force Awakens
4) Revenge of the SIth
5) Return of the Jedi
6) The Phantom Menace
7) Attack of the Clones
The threads left hanging by this film make me kinda excited, knowing that Rian Johnson is gonna be the one picking 'em up.
There (hopefully) might be fleets and armies that escaped the destruction and can join the fight, but they are unlikely to be able to mobilize for a full scale invasion in a few days.
TangoAlphaLima
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That's one of the first things I said to my friend after we left the theater. The movie was just relentless after they left Jakku, it seemed like it didn't even stop to catch its breath. It definitely could have used some slower moments over the last half.
Funny you say that, Bobby, cause I had the same thought leaving the theater. The '09 Star Trek reboot seems just a bit better than this Star Wars "reboot", as well, but I probably need to watch TFA a few more times and ruminate on it more before I can say that definitively. It's almost weird that Abrams was able to pull off Star Trek better, given the burdens that franchise had.
RellyRell28
Banned
I'm just saying he was the only one left at one point. I'm certain he can just say fuck it and change up the rules a little.
NumberThree
Member
Heh, that would definitely be interesting but I don't see the films going there.
One thing I'm wondering is if, assuming Rey was a padawan, there are more people like her on other planets.
WrenchNinja
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My friends kept complaining that there was no resemblance to Harrison Ford or Carrie Fisher
Perfect Cha0s
Member
My thoughts exactly.
half a moon
Banned
Kylo Ren is totally Zuko
Regular First Order TIE Fighters have shields in the X-Wing miniatures game. It's not canon... but it still needs to be approved by LF.
Wasn't that a Special Forces TIE/FO as opposed to the regular TIE/FO? The one that Poe and Finn stole, I mean.
People assumed he was supposed to be a badass Vader type, and without the mask he looks like a kid out of his depth. Which is exactly what he is.
People just didn't know what he was meant to be in advance. Granted it is a bait and switch as he is initially presented as another all powerful black clad villain, only to gradually reveal he is not over the film.
Forearm Star
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gutter_trash
Banned
correct rankings
1) Empire Strikes Back
2) Return of The Jedi
3) Star Wars
4) Force Awakens
5) Revenge of the Shit
6) Phantom Menace
7) Attack of the Clowns.
If a film like Star Wars portrays a boy-girl friendship as something where the boy isn't driven by romantic / sexual desire for the girl('s gender) but by his respect for her character and his platonic love for her as a person, isn't that much more meaningful in the grand scheme of things?
With Harry Potter, even Hermione had to be shipped with Ron, which is the SILLIEST pairing. The fact that Rowling says "she should have ended up with Harry" is even worse.
WrenchNinja
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Hopefully she's not exactly like Korra
LookAtMeGo
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Heres what I think might happen. I feel like the Knights of Ren will come into it in the next episode. Kylo will finish his training and become very powerful. He and the knights will do some serious damage to the resistance, a kind of nod to ESB.
half a moon
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7>4>5>6>>>>>>>3>>>>2>>1
I mean, does it make sense that it would continue? You use the force to stop something, why does it still have momentum? Unless Ren like 'threw' the bolt when he was done with it. Eh, like everything else in this movie (and star wars in general) it doesnt make sense when you look into it. But it's fun as hell.
Poe carried this film.
Grover Cleveland
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Episode VIII will be Rey traveling to other planets trying to find other the other Jedi.
Onderon
Korriban (because fuck Moraband, that stupid ass name)
Nar Shadaa
Dantooine
Moff
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