[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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TangoAlphaLima said:
Honestly, anyone with half a brain should have been able to figure out that Harrison Ford is gettin' too old for this shit and wouldn't want to keep making Star Wars movies. His death could have been seen from a mile away.
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Soon as he handed Chewie the detonator, I was like "Welp, he's dead."
 
So do we know anymore about Supreme Leader Snoke? Do we think he could be a sith that broke the rule of two or just an evil asshole? Loved the movie but damn it just left me wanting more.
 
Riki said:
I wondered the same thing. It seems like the most inefficient weapon ever made.
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It's probably a lot cheaper and quicker to make than a Death Star.

The Empire/New Order seems to have a hard on for giant planet destroying lasers(even though sucking up the star energy would be enough and probably more destructive, supernova, refugees etc). Budget cuts and all it's probably all the New Order could afford in the time they had.
 
Interesting thing I just thought of, and this might be in the EU, but maybe children of people with force powers are stronger than their predecessors, but also more eradicate. This might be why Jedi weren't allowed to have relations/kids. Also might be a reason why Siths usually come from that situation?

Side note- Its possible apart of Fins training as a stormtrooper, they are taught basic fighting techniques with swords. You would think that is necessary if they are to fight force users.
 
I liked TFA almost as much as Empire, and a bit better than A New Hope. Return of the Jedi is still below them all just because it's padded to hell and back despite all of its great iconic character moments.

Prequels are just too shit to include in a rating with those four. Basically every single thing in them that isn't John Williams, is wrong.
 
Inferno313 said:
Disagree. Being a strong, independent, complex, and positive female character shouldn't exclude them from experiencing romantic and sexual desires. To want love is to be human, there's no weakness in wanting companionship.

Most male protagonists in stories have a romantic interest, and we don't consider them weaker or lesser for that.

There's a difference between needing a man, and wanting a man. As long as it's never the former, than it's fine.
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Yeah, this. Rey can be awesome without necessarily developing a romance, but at the same time the idea that a strong female character eschews romance and is celibate because she don't need no man is kind of bullshit and sex negative.
 
The one thing I did not like about this movie was how they took down the deflector shields.

Like you have the person sitting at the command panel and she actually takes down the shields? Instead of, you know, calling for reinforcements or something.
 
140.85 said:
I knew people were going to react this way. Just because he's not the traditional baddass, he's a bitch. He's a flawed character desperate to accomplish something. His weaknesses make him a stringer character and potentially more dangerous.
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He's not the big-dick blockbuster swaggin' and stylin' bad guy that 99% of media has and I goddamn love it.
 
Shanks D Zoro said:
No idea how anyone can rate TFA on the same level or above ANH

ANH changed how movies were made and how people viewed them.

TFA is just a weaker version of ANH.
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The OT and TFA are all so close it's almost arbitrary to try and rank them. But I put TFA above ANH because of Rey, Poe, and BB-8.

The OT is basically one film, despite the first being designed as a standalone film. The ST will be a single film as well because they knew they were getting a trilogy and planned out the story accordingly.
 
Dash_Riprock said:
Some of of the flaws in TPM and RotS can be debated. AotC is one of the few movies I can think of that is indefensible, even by hardcore prequel defenders.
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Yeah. It had some good parts like Anakin/Obi-Wan Coruscant scenes and Geonosis battle, but... that's pretty much all of it. Twenty minutes of footage worth watching, at best. And the film is so inconsistent... at least TPM had the unified tone and style, which I actually like.
 
140.85 said:
I knew people were going to react this way. Just because he's not the traditional baddass, he's a bitch. He's a flawed character desperate to accomplish something. His weaknesses make him a stringer character and potentially more dangerous.
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More malicious? Sure. Able to commit higher atrocities? Sure. More dangerous? I disagree.
 
diaspora said:
The dark side of the force always struck me as something like Krokodil (dark side decay). Feels good until it fucks your shit up, by then it's generally too late to stop.
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Yeah, ROTS completely plays it like both the influence of a drug, and the influence of drug dealers. For the first time in his life, Anakin was treated like an adult by an authoritative figure, and I imagine that Snoke's influence on Ben was the same. We will likely learn more about Ben's fall in the coming movies, but I'd be shocked in Snoke didn't have his hooks in it.

Shanks D Zoro said:
No idea how anyone can rate TFA on the same level or above ANH

ANH changed how movies were made and how people viewed them.
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Super Mario Bros. is the greatest game of all time. How can anyone rate any other Mario game better?
 
gutter_trash said:
Return of the Jedi is way more Epic than Force Awakens.

-Vader's character development gets deeper and deeper.
-the best space battle in any movie ever with Lando's assault on the 2nd Death Star
-Emotions get juiced up high in Luke's final dual with Vader
-The soundtrack is top notch.
-Ewoks were awesome
-more C3P0 and R2D2 interaction = always awesome
-Speeder Bikes!!!
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How could you forget:
Jabba's Palacr
The Rancor
Sarlacc Pit
Sail Barge
- best creature design in the entire series
 
Croatoan said:
Jacen Solo could do creepy stuff like that.
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diaspora said:
Bastila re-wrote entire new memories for Revan.
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I'm talking about the films. Most people have not read the books nor played that game compared to the people who will be somewhat familiar with any of the movies.

However the memory-aspect that's at play in this film will, I think, come into play further regarding Luke hiding Rey in plain sight. I think he might have improved on Ben & Yoda's plan to hide HIM as a kid by doing a couple simple things

1) changing her fucking name
2) putting her on a planet that has no actual link to her history
3) burying/wiping/blocking her memories of anything before she got left there.
 
Sephzilla said:
The moment Han and Leia started dropping the "there's still good in him" stuff and teased Ren being pulled back to the light is when Han's death was telegraphed to me. There was no way they were going to have Ren also mirror Vader like that.
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This! When he left to go on the mission, the face he was making...yup! "he gonna die..."

Okay, best part of the movie, wasn't even in the movie...
It was the audience coming to the slow realization that Han gonna die...
I imagine this is what it felt for someone to know about the red wedding before the red wedding and watching it with people who didn't know.
"Ohhhh no...he's he's going to... Not Han..." All over the theater building to a crescendo of people making the D: face while I just smiled. The character arch coming to the appropriate conclusion.
It felt good.
 
gutter_trash said:
Return of the Jedi is way more Epic than Force Awakens.

-Vader's character development gets deeper and deeper.
-the best space battle in any movie ever with Lando's assault on the 2nd Death Star
-Emotions get juiced up high in Luke's final dual with Vader
-The soundtrack is top notch.
-Ewoks were awesome
-more C3P0 and R2D2 interaction = always awesome
-Speeder Bikes!!!
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Man I love ROTJ. One of my favorite low-key moments in the franchise is C3PO re-telling Star Wars to the Ewoks.
 
Shanks D Zoro said:
No idea how anyone can rate TFA on the same level or above ANH

ANH changed how movies were made and how people viewed them.

TFA is just a weaker version of ANH.
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I didn't grow up with A New Hope so I don't have decades of nostalgia baggage. TFA is like ANH but cranked up to 11, it was exciting from the first scene and it didn't stop being exciting for 2 hours and 15 minutes.
 
NimbusD said:
Well then... to each their own! For whatever reason it's easier for me to accept costumes. Actors look directly at them, they move with real life physics and they always match the lighting of the scene because they're actually there.
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Yep. Though elaborate stuff like Maz Kanata would be difficult to do with a costume, they work better for extras/small roles. (Or the character needs to be a little more muted)
 
So listening to Snoke's theme it is a chant very close to the opera music from Ep. 3, when Sidious tells Anakin the story of his old master. This must be intentional!
 
emb said:
I half expected all of the big 3 vets not to make it through this movie. Chewbacca and C3PO I figure won't die, since we can always put someone back in those suits. R2 might go down, since BB8 shows him up so bad.
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I definitely would not have been surprised if they had killed off Carrie Fisher either, given her disdain for Hollywood these days. But keeping her around in a bit role seems reasonable.

I knew there was no way they'd kill off Mark Hamill (and I thought the speculation that Luke had turned to the dark side was ridiculous), given that they were being so coy about his role in Episode VII. It seemed painfully obvious that he would stick around for Episode VIII to train a new Jedi, and it seemed painfully obvious that Rey would be that Jedi.
 
Calabi said:
It's probably a lot cheaper and quicker to make than a Death Star.

The Empire/New Order seems to have a hard on for giant planet destroying lasers(even though sucking up the star energy would be enough and probably more destructive, supernova, refugees etc). Budget cuts and all it's probably all the New Order could afford in the time they had.
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I doubt it is quicker or cheaper to make.

They had to make a huge hole through the centre of the planet.

Then also make it capable of travelling through hyper space, and also being able to split off and target individual locations.
 
Ziltoidia 9 said:
Side note- Its possible apart of Fins training as a stormtrooper, they are taught basic fighting techniques with swords. You would think that is necessary if they are to fight force users.
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Skywalker is the last Jedi in the galaxy.

Training stormtroopers to fight a lightsaber would be kinda like training police officers how to fight a shark.
 
Sephzilla said:
Kashykk and Wookies would have been stupid as hell though. Why would the Empire build the shield generator to the new Death Star on a planet full of 8 foot tall dangerous animals that could easily endanger their entire plan to trap the rebels? Instead they built it on a planet full of 3 foot tall teddy bears that they clearly underestimated them.
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In the old EU (and maybe actually still in the nu-canon, I haven't kept up with it) Vader came back with the Empire and razed Kashyyk and subjugated the Wookies after the end of the Clone Wars.

They had the firepower and manpower to make the Wookies a non-issue. The Ewoks messed them up because Wrinkles never respected them a proper enemy.
 
TangoAlphaLima said:
Honestly, anyone with half a brain should have been able to figure out that Harrison Ford is gettin' too old for this shit and wouldn't want to keep making Star Wars movies. His death could have been seen from a mile away.
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Honestly Mark Hamill's not far behind him so he could be dead as well. Carrie Fisher's seems the most safe of the three age wise.
 
saelz8 said:
My theater was hype. We had Darth Maul show up with a Darth Vader. People were yelling "Star Wars" before the movie even started. People were cheering during the opening, Han Solo showing up, Leia, Skywalker. People were practically whimpering when Solo died, and people started clapping and screaming when the movie ended. Then people started screaming for Jar Jar Binks to be after the credits.
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I don't know if I'm just a grumpy fuck, but that level of audience participation would have pissed me off no end.
 
Anton Sugar said:
That's quite a statement to make, especially since TFA places so knowingly into our nostalgia.

It had a Jurassic World level of callbacks. Maybe even more.
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I think you can have a movie with a lot of callbacks and still make the movie good. Jurassic World had a ton of callbacks but the problem was the second half of the movie turns into a really braindead monster movie that does nothing but ride on callbacks. Force Awakens has a ton of callbacks to A New Hope while still remaining its own movie and not going full braindead.
 
Return of the Jedi is the best star wars film.
Ewoks are really evil little fuckers that kill people and use their skulls as bowls and stuff.
Y'all crazy if you think empire is better than that.
 
I knew someone who came out of the movie swearing that Rey is Luke's daughter. While I doubt that because Han and Leia would have known, does anyone else feel that way?
 
I have no shame Episode 3 is my third fav Star Wars.

5>6>3>4>1>2. No shame

I won't rate 7 because to me everything is great in movie theaters.
 
Reversed said:
Yo Google you better stay calm.
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Stuff like that is why I made sure to see it yesterday.

That and the Street Fighter V beta this weekend.
 
Einchy said:
I didn't grow up with A New Hope so I don't have decades of nostalgia baggage. TFA is like ANH but cranked up to 11, it was exciting from the first scene and it didn't stop being exciting for 2 hours and 15 minutes.
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ANH is exciting from the first scene till the end with the bonus of being original.
 
Kylo reminds me of a young Anakin. Extremely powerful in the force but unstable, fearful, unfocused, and improperly trained. I don't know if he will be redeemed or if I want him to be, but if he does I hope that as of now he doesn't know Vader is his grandfather and that he redeemed himself.
 
Slaythe said:
The execution of Anakin's backstory left to be desired. But it WAS convincing. It made a lot of sense. It might have had clunky writing and acting, but the fundamentals absolutely work. His fear of losing loved ones was played well with his mother, the fact that his transgression of the jedi code forced him to have only one ally, the chancellor, he turned into a mass murderer because he felt cornered. Palpatine played his anxiety well. Poor execution, obviously, but I still can relate to what happened and I think it was decent.

Kylo is literally a piss baby. Yes they can make anything out of him, in the future, with more info, but right now, he is a little whiny brat that killed his father and was "waiting a long time for this".

Vader had nothing to go back to, if he did things would be entirely different (and we know that with his interaction with Luke once he learns the truth).

Kylo had everything. Humanity, family, love, legacy, even power (as son of Leia). It's going to be pretty hard for them to make a 12 years old turning evil feel intense.

The fact that he was so torn in this movie also means that whichever motivation he had, was absolutely not solid conviction, which means it wasn't justified to be that evil in the first place.

The only thing they can do, is emphasize how Snoke got into his head and made him a puppet.
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That's what is great about Kylo. He feels REAL, unlike Anakin. Anakin's downfall hardly even works well on paper, AND was poorly executed. Terribly, I would go so far to say. And when Anakin turns to the dark side, it is an immediate 180. He goes from "I don't know . . ." to MURDERING CHILDREN. What the shite? The good in you doesn't just vanish, and Kylo still had good in him. As anyone realistically would. Being a tantrumy teen is what I would expect of Kylo, and exactly what we got. I think Kylo was better done in this one movie than all of Anakin in the prequels.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
I'm talking about the films. Most people have not read the books nor played that game compared to the people who will be somewhat familiar with any of the movies.

However the memory-aspect that's at play in this film will, I think, come into play further regarding Luke hiding Rey in plain sight. I think he might have improved on Ben & Yoda's plan to hide HIM as a kid by doing a couple simple things

1) changing her fucking name
2) putting her on a planet that has no actual link to her history
3) burying/wiping/blocking her memories of anything before she got left there.
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But we still have mind tricks as a method of using the force to bend someone's mind even if one were to discount the games.
 
FUBAR McDangles said:
I know JJ was trying to appease the old nostalgic crowd and go back to practical effects for a large portion of the film...but for the most part it looked terrible.

That vulture thing picking at something dead when Rey was flying into town after the scavenging run was terrible. It just moved back and forth with no other movement and honestly looked like a child's feathery toy.

Maz's bar was full of terrible costumes. Because that is what it looked like. People in costumes. I can count on one hand the amount of times that one of the aliens/creatures looked good, including Chewbacca.

The Resistance aliens were bad. Ackbar looked like a terrible imitation of his VI self. Nien Nunb, the pilot who fought alongside Lando suddenly had his head enlarged and looked more fake than ever before. The alien pilot that makes the final trench run with Poe, who then dies, not only looked bad but is also magically in the crowd of people on the Resistance planet once the Falcon lands and Chewie, Rey, and Finn come off.

The three best-designed non-humans were Chewbacca, Maz, and that tentacle monster on Han's transport ship. Two of them were CGI.
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I'm might be late on this as I'm just randomly clicking through the thread to catch up .... but you are a monster!

Of course I love me some practical effects, and I thought it was so awesome to see them being used again to such a degree. Really liked all the different designs, wasn't super overboard with 1000 things on the screen.

I know the movie is a retread of the original story, but holy cow did I like what they were laying down. It really is Star Wars for a new generation, along with the original generation of Star Wars folks. Now comes the long wait to see the next ones, and this time I'm actually really looking forward to it.
 
Its just me or there was a waste of characters in this film... or loose ends.


Maz Kanata
Snooky
Lor San Tekka
Captain Phasma

and whats up with the knights of Ren?
 
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