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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Shanks D Zoro
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Maybe you should just use your words wiser.
This is seriously weirding me out. Did you guys not see that Finn had just given BB-8 a thumbs up in the directly preceding shot? Not that it makes any sense for the cutesy team pet/mascot droid to suddenly be like "I'll cut you bitch", nor is it fitting with the tone is the scene.
I laughed at that shot because it was cute and funny, and my theatre did too, though I have no idea how anyone else interpreted it.
Shuggananas
Banned
R2 was always better
Bb8 feels forced. He's just ok
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
It's possible Luke Skywalker was "already in hiding" by the time she was born. Like, he was posing as another name hiding in Jakku, just as Obi Wan had. Met someone, had Rey. So she recognizes him but never knew he was THE Luke Skywalker. Someone was close to finding him, he fled for whatever reason leaving Rey behind but with a trail to find him one day.
She shows up and recognizes him but now has the understanding holy crap my dad isn't Ben Kenobi the desert hermit but THE Obi Wan Kenobi, Jedi Master. But you know,Luke Skywalker.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
What a fitting username.
He was near perfect. Nothing groundbreaking of course, as he's filling a well-worn role in the SW universe, but his mannerisms and personality were just great. He's going to be a huge hit for the franchise (or already is, for that matter).
Salty Catfish
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$57 million from Thursday night showings which easily is a new record.
Ah, Obi-Wan and Yoda reunited in the afterlife, and...who the fuck is that? Do I know him?
Noone is a carbon copy of anyone, really. Poe is far too nice to be Leia. He's a much more positive person. Imagine Leia piloting the TIE fighter - she wouldn't have been as nice towards Finn, serving some sarcastic quips
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Honestly I'm starting to think they both kinda sucked and we were watching the Jedi equivalent of this
Rey kept doing the same lunging move and over and over. I guess it was working though.
I wonder if in general they could go with Lightsaber skills being lost. All the Jedi that knew how to duel died. Luke had to teach himself. Vader was probably the last person trained by people who actually knew how to duel. Everyone has to start from scratch now.
Not Spaceghost
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Rey kept doing the same lunging move and over and over. I guess it was working though.
Lol!! The Jedi equivalent of people who are bad at fighting games, she figured out the one move he didn't know how to dodge very well and kept spamming it.
Bobby Roberts
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I fucking love this.
Ganzlinger
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Could happen but they don't even saw each other in this movie, right?
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
I think it was implied the gravestone he was standing in front of was his wife's, no?
DownGrader
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Han Solo with robotic legs confirmed.
She's still gonna get some action though right? I mean if Luke really is Rey's dad and all...
orthodoxy1095
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Way better than I expected. Like WAY better. One of the better parts of the movie.
BronsonLee
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Inferno313
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Good lord.
"Take the professor out back and plug him into the hyperdrive"
Han never really warmed to old C3PO.
I need one of those Sphero BB8s like right fucking now
Good thing he won't be involved then. Seems VIII and IX will be Rian Johnson writing works.
I really hope the next 2 will tread into new grounds. Pulling KOTOR twist would be great.
Oh crap I think I've played her a Smash a few times.
Meh they've got Tinder in space
Dreams-Visions
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you could tell he was LOVING that shit.
Gunmonkey36
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Honestly I'm starting to think they both kinda sucked and we were watching the Jedi equivalent of this
Rey kept doing the same lunging move and over and over. I guess it was working though.
I agree with this. Ben's pretty young and seems like he had no experience actually dueling...Just slaughtering kids or whatever. Additionally he's probably never had to duel with a giant blaster hole in his abdomen before. ^__^
Rey just looks like someone who has only fought with a pole/staff. Her lunges are extremely typical of someone with a staff, but using a staff well doesn't translate into a saber easily.
Inferno313
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I think we can all agree that Poe/Finn is the OTP.
Darth Bane, who is originally an EU character but was made canon by the Clone Wars cartoon.
i get what you mean, but since when should looks matter when casting a movie?
i mean, sure, it would be somewhat weird if Finn was Han and Leia's daughter.
He's a guy, has a somewhat weird nose. I can accept that this is Han Solo's son.
Shuggananas
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Nah, robotic heart
Han was tony stark all along, snoke is thanos and poe is cap
#itsallconnected
The prequels had droid slapstick
But when the prequels attempted humour it was always totally weird tonally
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
I'd love to see an edit of all Han's reactions to Threepio, watching ANH I thought his initial reaction to him saying hello was pretty hilarious.
DownGrader
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TheOctodad
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People are weird. OH MY GOSH! Rey doesn't want to bone Finn in the first few days of knowing him?! Friendzoned!
She's affectionate towards him for saving her life but also has a bigger mission in mind? Friendzoned!
Sorry, but most of the women I know that are very driven and strong-willed would be the same way. Yet they have romantic relationships as well, they just aren't always swooning over them. I think it's totally possible for a romantic relationship to develop that isn't as "love at first sight" and "dreamy" as these action movies often are.
She's affectionate towards him for saving her life but also has a bigger mission in mind? Friendzoned!
Sorry, but most of the women I know that are very driven and strong-willed would be the same way. Yet they have romantic relationships as well, they just aren't always swooning over them. I think it's totally possible for a romantic relationship to develop that isn't as "love at first sight" and "dreamy" as these action movies often are.
He was fucking awesome, I'm so glad I bought the Disney Store BB-8.
Moff
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I agree, the reveal of the falcon was great, too.
kids... and first order computer terminals.
and interrogation chairs.
He's feared by furniture, torture and office equipment across the galaxy.
Shanks D Zoro
Banned
M8, you said they were suppose to be funny. If they are aiming for the lowest common denominator and they hit it then good on all those people who enjoy it.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
Don't get me wrong, I like Star Wars (and cousin Trek, for that matter). But, I don't get anyone being surprised by, well, anything. It's not a matter of being jaded or anything. Jesus, i sometimes watch NCIS. I know its going to be the same shit every werk, and it's comfortable. It ain't high theater, and it doesn't need to be. Gibbs will always slap DiNozzo in the head, Abby will always be introduced by the same "quirky" music, and the killer is probably the guest star that you recognize from that other show. Well, ok, maybe it is a matter of being jaded. I am still in the fucking theater, though, and having a good time.
entremet
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My theater even said "friend zone" out loud when Rey kissed him in the head lol.
It's mostly a joke.
I don't think Rey and Finn will be romantic interests anyway. Very Luke/Leia-ish.
I see what you did there.
I'm 99.99% sure people are just joking around about the friendzone stuff.
Fox Mulder
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He was great. Emoted perfectly and brought some laughs. I want the toy now.
markhimself46
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I think if this movie ends up surpassing Titanic and/or Avatar in sales, it'll be tough for him. There's that footage of him (during the filming of Episode I, iirc) saying something along the lines of "well, we'll never beat Titanic. No one will." Think he said it a few times. That seemed to be a big personal goal for him.
Bobby Roberts
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I'm not.
BronsonLee
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I'm not joking.
Finn is in the Friendzone FOREVER.
And ever.
And ever.
Finn is in the Friendzone FOREVER.
And ever.
And ever.
LegendofLex
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Thoughts on the film:
- Really fantastic film. I think in terms of the acting chops of the cast and the overall direction it might even be the strongest of all the films. I definitely noticed some pacing issues, though, and I'm not necessarily a fan of some of the shooting decisions (e.g. helicopter flyover at the very end). So it's not a perfect film by any means, and just because there's a lot of quality here that's lacking in the other movies doesn't necessarily edge them out on the faves list. (I'm really conflicted about whether I like this or ESB more and I'll need to see it a few more times to come even close to arriving at a decision.)
- I love all the new characters. Rey's character arc ("it's calling to you; let it in") really resonates with me. BB-8 is brimming with personality and sass but still feels distinct from R2, which is quite a feat. I got really attached to Finn's "fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants-with-undeserved-optimism" attitude, to the point where I was really upset with him when he wanted to just run away in Maz's pub. Poe looks like a great fusion between Han and Wedge, which is perfect since I think someone needed to step into that role.
- I wound up feeling pretty good about the chemistry between most of the characters at the various points where you were really supposed to feel it. Poe & BB-8 in the intro, Rey & BB-8 in the Jakku scavenger wastes, Poe & Finn during the TIE escape, Finn & Rey during the Falcon escape/on Han's freighter, Finn & BB-8 coming to an agreement behind Rey's back, Rey & Han bonding over the Falcon's mechanical issues.
- I thought the jokes were mostly on point. Even the first one where Poe is cocky toward Kylo (the one I think most people found weird) was in character and felt like a this-generation take on Han being a smug asshole.
- Harrison Ford/Han was awesome as usual. Just seeing him shoot things was great; seeing how he's still getting himself in over his head with debt and having to weasel his way out was pleasantly surprising, too. I do wonder what he was doing nearby Jakku, though - was he really just hunting for the Falcon, or was he keeping an eye on Rey? It's possible we'll never find out!
- I really liked a lot of the thematic undercurrents that connect to points of contact in the previous trilogies. Han's sacrifice, for example, mirrors Luke's decision to let the Emperor kill him rather than force him to kill Vader - he needs to offer his son a chance at redemption, even at great peril to himself. Kylo turning to the dark side seems to mirror Anakin's fall, of course excepting that Kylo doesn't seem to be motivated by fear of loss. He's arrogant about his own abilities and has developed a twisted, absolutist sense of justice.
- I liked the progression of Rey's force powers, in particular everything to do with her confronting Kylo and especially her moment during the lightsaber duel. I was a little worried by how she seemed to understand she could manipulate people with her voice out of nowhere during her escape scene, but as the film went on and it became more and more clear that she's learning to listen to the Force and let it guide her intuitively. Really nice setup for what's to come, I think.
- I'm really glad the movie seemed to go out of the way to show us that these new movies don't need C-3PO to constantly state the obvious, provide exposition, and mediate between characters.
- I agree with others here that Captain Phasma was utterly squandered, at least in the theatrical cut. An equally depressing fate as Boba Fett.
- I also wasn't too pleased with how they resolved the whole "R2 waking up" thing. I think we're supposed to think he was responding to Rey's presence (the only variable that makes sense), but I think it might have been better to have the lightsaber be the trigger, and have Rey insert it into the slot we remember from ROTJ to activate R2.
- I think we got a lot more insight into Kylo's fall than most people realize at first glance. I think Finn and Rey are supposed to be obvious foils to Kylo, and Anakin's fall a prototype for Kylo's fall.
Anakin has a great destiny thrust upon him by the Jedi, who believe him to be the Chosen One and are trying to train him to achieve their expected outcome of the prophecy. Though he eagerly accepts Jedi training, we see that his priorities do not necessarily align with the Jedi: he wants to come back to free his mother (and earlier he expresses the expectation that Qui-Gon would free all the slaves). Once Anakin decides his alignment with the Jedi constrains his own personal agenda - both his desire to save the people he loves and his belief that justice can brought to the galaxy by "someone wise" who will enforce peace - he turns on them.
Likewise, Kylo is conscripted into Luke's Jedi school, also presumably not by choice, and probably not with a clear agreement on the agenda that underlies his training (to keep him on the path of good, which would naturally be against his impulses if Han & Leia were worried there was too much of Vader in him). This makes him very susceptible to being seduced by outside influences that purport to give him greater agency: like Snoke. Since he has no real control over the direction his life is going based on the circumstances of his training, he's able to be persuaded to turn against his teacher, as well as the far-from-perfect family that sent him there, to take control of his own destiny.
Finn goes through a similar character arc, but in the opposite direction. He's conscripted into the First Order from birth, and eventually comes to realize that what he's fighting for isn't right. He makes the choice to leave - the first time he's ever able to exercise a real sense of self. He is symbolically named by Poe at the same time to show that he is no longer just a number, but a complete human being.
And Rey faces the exact opposite circumstances that Kylo does. She isn't forced into Jedi training; she's left to her own devices and makes a conscious decision on her own to take up the lightsaber and let the Force guide her. Thus, she's put in a position of total agency about her affiliation with the Force. In the end, her journey to Luke represents her acceptance of the Force and the path of the Jedi - a path that she chose for herself.
- Really fantastic film. I think in terms of the acting chops of the cast and the overall direction it might even be the strongest of all the films. I definitely noticed some pacing issues, though, and I'm not necessarily a fan of some of the shooting decisions (e.g. helicopter flyover at the very end). So it's not a perfect film by any means, and just because there's a lot of quality here that's lacking in the other movies doesn't necessarily edge them out on the faves list. (I'm really conflicted about whether I like this or ESB more and I'll need to see it a few more times to come even close to arriving at a decision.)
- I love all the new characters. Rey's character arc ("it's calling to you; let it in") really resonates with me. BB-8 is brimming with personality and sass but still feels distinct from R2, which is quite a feat. I got really attached to Finn's "fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants-with-undeserved-optimism" attitude, to the point where I was really upset with him when he wanted to just run away in Maz's pub. Poe looks like a great fusion between Han and Wedge, which is perfect since I think someone needed to step into that role.
- I wound up feeling pretty good about the chemistry between most of the characters at the various points where you were really supposed to feel it. Poe & BB-8 in the intro, Rey & BB-8 in the Jakku scavenger wastes, Poe & Finn during the TIE escape, Finn & Rey during the Falcon escape/on Han's freighter, Finn & BB-8 coming to an agreement behind Rey's back, Rey & Han bonding over the Falcon's mechanical issues.
- I thought the jokes were mostly on point. Even the first one where Poe is cocky toward Kylo (the one I think most people found weird) was in character and felt like a this-generation take on Han being a smug asshole.
- Harrison Ford/Han was awesome as usual. Just seeing him shoot things was great; seeing how he's still getting himself in over his head with debt and having to weasel his way out was pleasantly surprising, too. I do wonder what he was doing nearby Jakku, though - was he really just hunting for the Falcon, or was he keeping an eye on Rey? It's possible we'll never find out!
- I really liked a lot of the thematic undercurrents that connect to points of contact in the previous trilogies. Han's sacrifice, for example, mirrors Luke's decision to let the Emperor kill him rather than force him to kill Vader - he needs to offer his son a chance at redemption, even at great peril to himself. Kylo turning to the dark side seems to mirror Anakin's fall, of course excepting that Kylo doesn't seem to be motivated by fear of loss. He's arrogant about his own abilities and has developed a twisted, absolutist sense of justice.
- I liked the progression of Rey's force powers, in particular everything to do with her confronting Kylo and especially her moment during the lightsaber duel. I was a little worried by how she seemed to understand she could manipulate people with her voice out of nowhere during her escape scene, but as the film went on and it became more and more clear that she's learning to listen to the Force and let it guide her intuitively. Really nice setup for what's to come, I think.
- I'm really glad the movie seemed to go out of the way to show us that these new movies don't need C-3PO to constantly state the obvious, provide exposition, and mediate between characters.
- I agree with others here that Captain Phasma was utterly squandered, at least in the theatrical cut. An equally depressing fate as Boba Fett.
- I also wasn't too pleased with how they resolved the whole "R2 waking up" thing. I think we're supposed to think he was responding to Rey's presence (the only variable that makes sense), but I think it might have been better to have the lightsaber be the trigger, and have Rey insert it into the slot we remember from ROTJ to activate R2.
- I think we got a lot more insight into Kylo's fall than most people realize at first glance. I think Finn and Rey are supposed to be obvious foils to Kylo, and Anakin's fall a prototype for Kylo's fall.
Anakin has a great destiny thrust upon him by the Jedi, who believe him to be the Chosen One and are trying to train him to achieve their expected outcome of the prophecy. Though he eagerly accepts Jedi training, we see that his priorities do not necessarily align with the Jedi: he wants to come back to free his mother (and earlier he expresses the expectation that Qui-Gon would free all the slaves). Once Anakin decides his alignment with the Jedi constrains his own personal agenda - both his desire to save the people he loves and his belief that justice can brought to the galaxy by "someone wise" who will enforce peace - he turns on them.
Likewise, Kylo is conscripted into Luke's Jedi school, also presumably not by choice, and probably not with a clear agreement on the agenda that underlies his training (to keep him on the path of good, which would naturally be against his impulses if Han & Leia were worried there was too much of Vader in him). This makes him very susceptible to being seduced by outside influences that purport to give him greater agency: like Snoke. Since he has no real control over the direction his life is going based on the circumstances of his training, he's able to be persuaded to turn against his teacher, as well as the far-from-perfect family that sent him there, to take control of his own destiny.
Finn goes through a similar character arc, but in the opposite direction. He's conscripted into the First Order from birth, and eventually comes to realize that what he's fighting for isn't right. He makes the choice to leave - the first time he's ever able to exercise a real sense of self. He is symbolically named by Poe at the same time to show that he is no longer just a number, but a complete human being.
And Rey faces the exact opposite circumstances that Kylo does. She isn't forced into Jedi training; she's left to her own devices and makes a conscious decision on her own to take up the lightsaber and let the Force guide her. Thus, she's put in a position of total agency about her affiliation with the Force. In the end, her journey to Luke represents her acceptance of the Force and the path of the Jedi - a path that she chose for herself.
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