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[WoolyNinja]

My guess is Rey was trained as a Jedi as a child but was then hidden away as one of the last Jedi that Kylo Ren hadn't killed. Perhaps her mind was wiped or something, and the force powers she gets towards the end of the movie were simply what she had learned coming back.

 

[GPsych]

Question: were there any Y wings? If not, why? Best ship

I was really hoping we would see another fighter alongside the iconic X-Wings (even if they are the newer T-70 models). Alas, no.

 

[foxtrot3d]

That answers the question about Luke's allegiance. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

*gasp*

Doesn't that make you a Sith?

 

[……forgetit]

I think they could have added one more fun moment of fan service in the Han / Kylo scene.

Han goes up to Kylo, they do their scene, and right as Kylo is about to stab Han, Han's expression changes (as he realizes what is about to happen), he pulls out his blaster and shoots Kylo in the gut first before then getting ran through and falling off the bridge. They already establish that Kylo's a super tough SOB (see; bowcaster shot he takes from Chewie, multiple lightsaber strikes) - would have been a fun "Han shot first" fanservice moment.

Han shoot his own son first? Idk man, that would be pretty shitty.

 

[Alcander]

Post-ROTJ, 25 of the 26 letters in the Star Wars alphabet were removed. There can now only be X-Wings.

Haha, but seriously -- they would have been perfect for the mission, right? Wasnt it largely a bombing mission? Anyway I always loved them as a kid, I wish they made an appearance.

 

[Ithil]

I think they could have added one more fun moment of fan service in the Han / Kylo scene.

Han goes up to Kylo, they do their scene, and right as Kylo is about to stab Han, Han's expression changes (as he realizes what is about to happen), he pulls out his blaster and shoots Kylo in the gut first before then getting ran through and falling off the bridge. They already establish that Kylo's a super tough SOB (see; bowcaster shot he takes from Chewie, multiple lightsaber strikes) - would have been a fun "Han shot first" fanservice moment.

You want Han to attempt to shoot his son?

 

[Briarios]

The weapon destroyed five planets. One looked like a city planet, which would seem to be Coruscant. Is there an official FAQ about this? It's not mentioned in the film explicitly either way.

The New Republic changes the capitol planet each election as to not concentrate power.

 

[Jobbs]

what

when did we learn that

when the movie beat us over the head with it nearly the entire running time?

Luke's lightsaber called out to her and showed her Luke, then the little cartoon dwarf yoda person highly implied that there's a lineage with Luke that includes her. Beyond that there are countless references and imagery that further drives it home.. And if all that's not enough, if you still have doubts, Luke's loaded reaction at the end should alleviate those doubts.

I don't even see it as a mystery. I thought the movie was going out of its way to tell us this.

Please, stop saying that as if it is fact we don't know that. Second, that still tells us nothing even if it is true. She's still a giant mystery.

It's possible she's not his daughter, but it'd require an intentional deception by the movie because it just spent two hours pounding our heads with it.

 

[GPsych]

The weapon destroyed five planets. One looked like a city planet, which would seem to be Coruscant. Is there an official FAQ about this? It's not mentioned in the film explicitly either way.

Didn't they call it the Hosnian system? I guess Coruscant could actually be in the Hosnian system. Coruscant is a planet's name after all.

 

[EhoaVash]

Just saw it. Too much information held back >.<

Who is snoke ??? Needed more back story on kylo ren. How was his relationship with his parents. Etc

Needed some kid kylo Ben flashbacks

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

My guess is Rey was trained as a Jedi as a child but was then hidden away as one of the last Jedi that Kylo Ren hadn't killed. Perhaps her mind was wiped or something, and the force powers she gets towards the end of the movie were simply what she had learned coming back.

Uhhh, Kylo Ren seems quite young in TFA. I don't think he's been murdering Jedi since the age of 10. In fact, there's nothing to suggest he's been hunting Jedi at all. He's just been looking for Luke.

 

[Liquidsnake]

*gasp*

Doesn't that make you a Sith?

A sith?

My allegiance is to the republic to democracy!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mega]

This is why all the "friendzone" talk upthread is weird - there's kind of a disconnect between what the movie is showing and what audiences are interpreting. Rey isn't "friendzoning" (ugh) Finn all movie long. That nurse isn't "hitting on" Chewbacca. She's placating him. It's like a school nurse congratulating a 2nd grader for being a big boy after getting bactine on his knee.

Nailed it. Chewie was getting treated like a kid at the doctor's. It's endearing because of how ferocious he is. People I went with, women included, think it's pretty clear that Finn and Rey have a budding romance as equals, in contrast to the truly creepy Anakin/Padme fake romance. This friendzone talk seems silly just because they haven't hooked up yet. Instant payoff isn't exciting.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Nope, which makes me ask what happened to Coruscant for it to not be used again

It would be interesting if Courscant was just a ruin now.

Think about it, it's not a planet that can support itself. It basically has no natural resources. Everything has to be shipped in off planet, and a lot of shit has to be shipped because the entire planet is a city. What if between all the years of civil war it just lost the ability to sustain. People fled, a lot of the city was scrapped for salvage, and there's a small (small for Coruscant) living in the ruins?

Spoiler

Yes I stole that idea from Foundation

 

[OldRoutes]

Uhhh, Kylo Ren seems quite young in TFA. I don't think he's been murdering Jedi since the age of 10. In fact, there's nothing to suggest he's been hunting Jedi at all. He's just been looking for Luke.

The official Art Book companion thingy says he was responsible for the murder of the padawans.

 

[Cybit]

Han wont shoot his own son. It would betray his character.

Hrm, true.

But Han is still a bit of a scoundrel, and you could have played up that he might feel "responsible" for everything that happened. You would have had to have the discussion between Leia and Han be more of "Leia is an optimist and Han is pessimistic". I guess it depends on how you expect Han to have evolved (or devolved) since RotJ. Like I said, it would be a blatant fan-service moment, and I guess Rey pulling out the Jedi Mind Trick out of nowhere kind of opened the door to somewhat non-sensical fan service moments.

Could have had the camera pan down and show that Han has the blaster out first but then maybe refuses to pull the trigger?

 

[Magnus]

I thought it was a little clumsy how they revealed Kylo's background. "The droid is in the hands of Han Solo, your father!"

And then like 10 minutes later you have Ren addressing the Vader mask saying something like "Help me to find strength, grandfather!" That feels really gratuitous. Hey, all of you stupid people in the audience, in case you didn't realize what it meant when we revealed that Kylo is Han's son, now we have to explicitly tell you he's related to Vader too.

I know people like to go with implicit revelations as being actual revelations, but if you just stick to the facts without making any assumptions at all:

Isn't Snoke revealing Ren's father is Han, and the grandfather scene revealing that his mother is definitely Leia? Like, yes, obviously Han's kid is probably had with Leia, but it's just not 100% until you hear grandfather, right?

Also, I mean, I was so emotionally caught up in the bizarre way Snoke revealed it, that my mind just didn't make the connection to Vader. I actually manage to keep forgetting Leia's lineage because Luke/Vader connection is so much more privileged in the OT. So I appreciated the more explicit connection between Ren and Vader in that scene.

I don't know - I consider myself a critical thinker when I put my mind to it, but with new shows/movies, I really like to turn my brain off and let myself be amazed, wowed, and surprised by reveals. As a result, I feel like I end up enjoying myself more, rather than trying to predict every reveal. Different strokes for sure, though!

--

Of course, if the above scenes all happened after Leia/Han talked about their son together, then I'm a total idiot. I was tired at the end of a long day, and really can't even remember the order of some scenes....lol

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Somehow I managed to know as little as possible going into this, apart from the trailers (and not even watching those a lot).


Sooooooo good.

Perfect? No. Borrows a lot from A New Hope? Yes. But damn if I was captivated throughout, loved (or appropriately hated) the new characters, and immediately want the next chapter.

Well done, JJ and Lawrence (didn't know he was co-writer, what I good idea). Abrams is 100% more suited to SW than ST.

 

[Jobbs]

The Episode 7 SE in twenty years will edit the scene to show Han shooting at Kylo first.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

The official Art Book companion thingy says he was responsible for the murder of the padawans.

Also said so in the film. He killed all of Luke's trainees, leading Luke to go into single player mode.

 

[timewyrm]

That answers the question about Luke's allegiance. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Explains alot about the state of the Jedi Order in the PT !

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

Haha, but seriously -- they would have been perfect for the mission, right? Wasnt it largely a bombing mission? Anyway I always loved them as a kid, I wish they made an appearance.

Yes, I found it very strange that there wasn't a specific bomber ship like the Y-Wing or B-Wing attacking Starkiller Base, while the X-Wings fought off the TIEs. I guess it's so Poe could do both.

 

[Sectorseven]

It would be interesting if Courscant was just a ruin now.

Think about it, it's not a planet that can support itself. It basically has no natural resources. Everything has to be shipped in off planet, and a lot of shit has to be shipped because the entire planet is a city. What if between all the years of civil war it just lost the ability to sustain. People fled, a lot of the city was scrapped for salvage, and there's a small (small for Coruscant) living in the ruins?

Spoiler

Yes I stole that idea from Foundation

That should have happened during ROTS, especially considering they were at war with the fucking trade federation.

 

[V-Faction]

It's clumsy, but it serves a purpose -- it clearly means its Han's son with Leia, not someone else ... And makes it clear he is aware of his lineage. What if the mistake that was made was that Han and Leia hid that Vader was his grandfather? Remember, it wasn't common knowledge that Leia was Vader's daughter. Snoke approaches him with the knowledge his family is lying to him and that they're trying to keep a powerful legacy from him, and bam -- now you have motivation.

Or, what if it's the opposite: They purpose tell him of his lineage because they didn't want to hide it. Obi-Wan was purposely hiding it from Luke because he did not want him to turn out like his father. Perhaps Han and Leia would've thought such a thinking to be too archaic, too ignorant. Maybe Ben/Ren knew for a very long time, and that knowledge warped him some how. Clearly he idolizes Vader.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Interesting. Gonna have to add the visual guide book to my list of purchases today.

Yeah, so while the Senate and the Republic Fleet was destroyed, important world's like Coruscant and Corellia still exists. It's like if NYC, DC, LA, SanFran, and Boston were nuked. Devastating but not necessarily fatal.

 

[Astral]

It's interesting to read everyone's take on Luke and Rey's scene. I saw it as Luke realizing that now that someone has found him, he's gonna have to take up arms again which is something he feels he can't do. He wasn't so much giving that pained expression to her as he was to the lightsaber. It seemed to me that without words Rey was saying "It's time" and Luke saying "I can't." I loved it.

 

[keltickennedy]

Just saw it. Too much information held back >.<

Who is snoke ??? Needed more back story on kylo ren. How was his relationship with his parents. Etc

Needed some kid kylo Ben flashbacks

You got two more movies.

 

[The Flash]

Haha, but seriously -- they would have been perfect for the mission, right? Wasnt it largely a bombing mission? Anyway I always loved them as a kid, I wish they made an appearance.

I hope TIE Interceptors come back though the new ones are pretty badass.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Son or no son. I would have thought Han would have disowned him once he became responsible for killing hundreds, if not thousands of innocent people.

I mean, let's say Han was able to get through to him. Leia's a general. Nobody's pardoning that shit. Han should have helped Kylo by blasting him in the chest.

 

[140.85]

when the movie beat us over the head with it nearly the entire running time?

Oh, please. It never felt like this.

 

[Steiner84]

watched it a second time today and i thinks its even better now (was allready blown away the first time).
Biggest disappointment stays the score.

 

[rrc1594]

Don't understand why Rey lineage had to be a mystery anyway. Maybe she is Ben's twin sister. Maybe Ben is Luke's son, why would Han name his son Ben in the first place.

 

[gunstarhero]

I think they could have added one more fun moment of fan service in the Han / Kylo scene.

Han goes up to Kylo, they do their scene, and right as Kylo is about to stab Han, Han's expression changes (as he realizes what is about to happen), he pulls out his blaster and shoots Kylo in the gut first before then getting ran through and falling off the bridge. They already establish that Kylo's a super tough SOB (see; bowcaster shot he takes from Chewie, multiple lightsaber strikes) - would have been a fun "Han shot first" fanservice moment.

You clearly don't have kids.

 

[Kaibutsu]

Wait what?

Porkins 2.0 wasn't actually Porkins' son but I'll be damned if he didn't look it! The IMDB shows his name as Snap Wexley I believe...

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Felt like the planets blowing up had no weight to it. No one really seemed to care.

Agreed. I guess I might have been more upset but maybe blowing up something recognizable would have held more weight. It just seemed like a bunch of nobodies getting blasted to kingdom come. Boohoo.

 

[foxtrot3d]

A sith?

My allegiance is to the republic to democracy!!!!!!!!!

A Sith Lord!?

So this is how democracy ends, with thunderous applause?

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

That should have happened during ROTS, especially considering they were at war with the fucking trade federation.

Yeah I forgot about that. One of the worst parts about the prequels was that the planet basically stayed the same. There wasn't any indication that they were at war.

 

[Jobbs]

Oh, please. It never felt like this.

I'm baffled if you didn't notice. The movie went out of its way to communicate this. It's either a big willful fake out deception, or, far more likely, it just is what they make it out to be, because they devoted so much energy to telling us who she is -- It'd be silly to build your first movie around that then take it away, but I suppose it could happen. Stranger things have happened.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Don't understand why Rey lineage had to be a mystery anyway. Maybe she is Ben's twin sister. Maybe Ben is Luke's son, why would Han name his son Ben in the first place.

Because 3 more movies. Let them tell the story how they want to tell it. Chill boys.

 

[Magwik]

Listening to The Jedi Steps and Finale from the soundtrack
LAWD

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

The official Art Book companion thingy says he was responsible for the murder of the padawans.

Also said so in the film. He killed all of Luke's trainees, leading Luke to go into single player mode.

Huh, I didn't recall that, but there was so much to absorb, I'm not surprised.

Regardless, Kylo's turn to the dark side would have had to have been long after Rey was stranded on Jakku. I can't imagine Luke's been in exile or that Kylo's been murdering padawans for more than a few years.

 

[The Flash]

Yeah, so while the Senate and the Republic Fleet was destroyed, important world's like Coruscant and Corellia still exists. It's like if NYC, DC, LA, SanFran, and Boston were nuked. Devastating but not necessarily fatal.

It sounds like the Star Wars galaxy is a lot smaller now. I don't like that...

 

[Alcander]

Don't understand why Rey lineage had to be a mystery anyway. Maybe she is Ben's twin sister. Maybe Ben is Luke's son, why would Han name his son Ben in the first place.

I mean its obviously going to be a big reveal down the line so it makes sense why the would keep it secret. And because of obi-wan I assume?

 

[kirblar]

I'm baffled if you didn't notice. The movie went out of its way to communicate this. It's either a big willful fake out deception, or it just is what they make it out to be.

There's a line of dialogue that literally states the Jedi are her new family and her old family isn't ever coming back.

 

[Cybit]

You clearly don't have kids.

Lol, this is true.

 

[Briarios]

Or, what if it's the opposite: They purpose tell him of his lineage because they didn't want to hide it. Obi-Wan was purposely hiding it from Luke because he did not want him to turn out like his father. Perhaps Han and Leia would've thought such a thinking to be too archaic, too ignorant. Maybe Ben/Ren knew for a very long time, and that knowledge warped him some how. Clearly he idolizes Vader.

If that were the case - and it might be - it would legitimize Obi Wan's decision to keep the truth from Luke, but it would also send the message that lying to kids is good lol so, I'm conflicted.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Snoke: iffy.

Map: shameful.

Hosnian: confusing.

Everything else: great.

Particularly enjoyed the Starship Troopers shout-out.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Rey's Theme is a classic.
The ways of the force, so good.

Snoke: iffy.

Map: shameful.

Hosnian: confusing.

Everything else: great.

Particularly enjoyed the Starship Troopers shout-out.

Which one??

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Torn Apart gives me chills. Love it.

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

Don't understand why Rey lineage had to be a mystery anyway. Maybe she is Ben's twin sister. Maybe Ben is Luke's son, why would Han name his son Ben in the first place.

Whoa, super incestuous, man. Don't you know Disney owns this franchise now!