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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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He's not Sith though.
TangoAlphaLima
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Not only that, they're cousins! Grandchildren of Darth Vader!
Honestly, you can just kind of forget that the EU ever existed, just like Disney has done. They don't care if 1% of their audience has read a kinda similar story in EU novels once upon a time. They're gonna tell the story they want to tell, and 99% of their audience won't know if it resembles EU storylines in any way, nor will they care.
Jellycrackers
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He was getting into the ship to head to the outer rim when the Starkiller was fired. It's not like a lot of time passed. Then shortly after the First Order arrived and screwed everything up. Then he chose to stay because he wanted to rescue Rey.
Unless I'm forgetting something, that's what happened, right?
Projection. This happens every single time a creator fans like, or want to like/respect, takes on a new piece of a franchise with pieces which the fans want to forget, so they intentionally project any exclusions as validation that the creator shares their specific misgivings. Sometimes it might be true, but often it is more likely a case of the creator and producers just being aware of this fan base and pandering to them without really having a strong opinion about it themselves.
Why? The vast, vast majority of people seeing these films have never read an EU book ... And, Star Wars is a story about this family told through the lens of galactic conflict.
WadiumArcadium
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It didn't but some people like to drive that narrative. There's the clone army reference, but I don't see how that was shitting on the prequels.
Glass Shark
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This was honestly the biggest logic question I had during the movie. And there may be an explanation for it. But yeah, what made R2 know that it was "the right time" to reveal the map?
Sorcerer
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I assume he awoke when Luke awoke/willing to be found (not sure). When Luke was willing to be found, Artoo would wake up to relay that information.
Call back to Leia's message to Kenobi.
Finn's definitely force-sensitive, it's why the indoctrination doesn't work and why Kylo picks him out of the crowd.
I liked that they brought in the non-lightsaber melee weapons from The Old Republic.
Seventy_X_Seven
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Its understandable here though because neither are normal characters. Finn was taken as a baby and trained as a number throughout all his life. Rey was abandoned at a young age and lived by herself. You try living your first 20+ years feeling like a nobody that nobody could care less about. For both Rey and Finn anybody showing any sign of interest (not as in love, just as in "hey I recognize that you exist") is a pretty huge deal and it makes sense why they kicked off so well.
I skimmed through the thread and ran a search but didn't notice any answer to this.
I'm pretty sure I saw SOMEONE in the foreground, maybe dragging something, and maybe heard a female voice, when Rey was flying the Millenium Falcon. I wasn't sure what was going on. Did they just show another random scavenger woman on the same planet as she flew out?
I'm pretty sure I saw SOMEONE in the foreground, maybe dragging something, and maybe heard a female voice, when Rey was flying the Millenium Falcon. I wasn't sure what was going on. Did they just show another random scavenger woman on the same planet as she flew out?
AlphaStriker
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Maybe Luke could sense that Rey is ready to begin her training after having used the force to fend off Kylo Ren, then he VNC'd into R2 to give his location.
So what R2 has a force awakening sensor ? Wtf
That was when Rey first arrived at the base.
Confirmed: R2 is the first force sensitive droid.
Yeah, and Luke likely woke (proverbially) when Han died. Or, more specifically, was killed by someone using the power of the Dark Side.
None of that actually happened though (unless I'm having a huge mind blank). It was just alluded to. The way it was handled though gave zero weight to his choice in the first place. There was no "Oh Finn I'm so glad you chose to stay.", or even any acknowledgment of him coming back at all.
It was just....poof Finn's back.
Glass Shark
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They definitely did. I thought it was a neat little moment where they're showing the scavengers trying to be quick to get parts, literally grabbing stuff the moment the TIE hit the ground.
I don't think there is any other significance to it.
WadiumArcadium
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Was that when the TIE was shot down? I thought it was another scavenger rushing to get there and claim her prize first.
Finn won't be involved, but I do think Rey will end up on the dark side.
She is likely Luke's daughter, and is thus incredibly powerful. After training with Luke, she'll start to become more cognizant of her incredible abilities. The thing is, though, she has what Kylo doesn't - conviction. She's passionate and strong, as she displayed throughout TFA. And in the final battle with Kylo, after she meditates, she menacingly comes out swinging in fury at Kylo, and after knocking him down repeatedly, she hovers over him with a face filled with rage. It was very much like a Sith.
Kylo, on the other hand, was tormented and conflicted throughout the entire film. Killing his father, I predict, will finally ruin him. He won't be able to persevere knowing what he has done, and he will seek out Leia for comfort and familial support and profess to never use the force again.
Unitl, of course, he finds out that Snoke has gone after Rey and succeeded in converting her. Kylo will then seek out his uncle, make amends, and they will both set out to save the girl that has become the most powerful member of the Skywalker family.
Other than her character traits, what's the basis for thinking Rey is Luke's daughter? As a Jedi, by the end of ROTJ he had no romantic prospects and for all intents and purposes seemed to be going celibate.
Also I feel the film made it abundantly clear the Finn has no force affinity, it's Rey who awakened. However, Finn's courage and care for his friend is what brought him to take up the lightsaber. He lost because his swordsmanship isn't up to par, but considering he was a stormtrooper with little training in H2H combat beforehand his abilities are actually very competent. I'd say it's pretty clear who that lightsaber belongs to though. Finn won't become a Jedi.
Also I feel the film made it abundantly clear the Finn has no force affinity, it's Rey who awakened. However, Finn's courage and care for his friend is what brought him to take up the lightsaber. He lost because his swordsmanship isn't up to par, but considering he was a stormtrooper with little training in H2H combat beforehand his abilities are actually very competent. I'd say it's pretty clear who that lightsaber belongs to though. Finn won't become a Jedi.
Vampirolol
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>Went on the Italian Facebook page for Star Wars
>Saw lots of people saying that the prequels were better
>Asking myself about the quality of Italian movies in the last 40 years
>We deserve this.
>Saw lots of people saying that the prequels were better
>Asking myself about the quality of Italian movies in the last 40 years
>We deserve this.
Whatever he is, that's what it'll feel like.
Duane Cunningham
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I pretty much hate the PT, but I think the concepts, lore and imagery are pretty strong. It's just the execution of the films that sucks. So I kind of wish he hadn't ignored them so completely. There was ZERO reference to anything from them.
McBradders
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It's the very definition of hyperbole. Good grief.
TangoAlphaLima
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I know JJ made the point of saying Kylo isn't a Sith, but I don't recall if the word "Sith" is ever uttered in TFA.
I also don't know how one becomes classified as a Sith. Is there an application process? Do you need to be approved? Does it come with tenure? Are the Lords of the Sith an equal opportunity employer? Why are they limiting themselves to two employees, is it to avoid some galactic employment regulations?
friskykillface
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Yeah Luke looked like he just woke up
Zzzzzzz slumber to hide his powers
Zzzzzzz slumber to hide his powers
That could make sense. Luke was ready to be found at that point so Rey could find him and begin her training.
Count Dookkake
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Aww. You're cute.
Sorcerer
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More Like Luke has the ability to communicate with him in a special way through the Force. Don't think Luke would give him the map if that was not his intention. I could be off base here.
Ohhh, I didn't make the connection to the TIE crashing and being scavenged. I thought it was just people on the ground trying to dodge the Falcon and the air strikes.
crackhead_bob
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I agree wholeheartedly. The film played it safe, but then that's what was needed in order to allay the concerns that longtime fans had going into this. I'm glad that the acting and dialogue was decent enough that you actually felt for the characters, rather than the actors themselves -- that being sympathy for the actors in the case of the prequels. You make a great point on highlighting the differences between Rey and Anakin.
One detail I took notice with in the difference between the approach made by Abrams and Lucas was in the opening crawl. The text used in the opening crawl in Force Awakens was as predictably corny and cringeworthy as the rest of the films.In the prequels, This isn't a complaint as much as an observation. However, Lucas essentially had his actors delivering their lines in the same wooden fashion as the opening crawls, whereas Abrams was paying homage to the classic sci-fi serials, but leaving the baggage at the door.
If nothing else can be said about Force Awakens, it's given longtime fans of the OT reason to look forward to the future. It's not a perfect film, but I think alot of fans are enthusiastically looking forward to Episode VIII as opposed to the mixed reactions that people felt going into Episode II, and this was even before realizing that Lucas was going to be writing and directing it as a love story.
Yeah, I figured he was just mathing it up and finally 'solved' his calculation or something. I dunno. Doesn't make sense with the missing map.
Maybe he was downloading secret first order secrets wirelessly the whole time.
I dunno :/
Or Rey's awakening woke Luke up, and then he woke R2 up.
Actually, ok, I like that one.
It is once. Maz says it when talking to Solo and the gang.
(I'm probably getting the quote wrong)
"I've seen many forms of evil rise up in my time; the Sith, the Empire, and now the First Order"
WadiumArcadium
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The clone army that Hux and Kylo discuss could be seen as a reference. But then again it is set 50 or so years after the prequels and Luke Skywalker is regarded as a myth by some. It wouldn't make sense for events that occurred even longer ago to be referenced.
I'm perfectly fine with no PT references. I really really did not like the PT. In my view they were absolutely bad movies, as in -- comically bad. As in -- Not even competently constructed as pieces of writing or editing.
I could go further into it but nobody wants that. I'm fine with the new films leaving them alone so that people who feel like I do can just pretend they never happened.
I thought it was a moment of background world building. Ship goes down, scavengers are there in an instant to pick it apart. Rey got offered dozens of rations for a little droid. Almost brand new parts from a TIE must fetch quite a lot.
Kid Kamikaze10
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Man, talking to some of my black friends about this movie is like stepping into a minefield.
Finn is still an elephant in the room. Many of them straight up pissed off, and it totally destroys their liking of the movie.
Personally, I really liked Finn, and thought he helped carry numerous parts along with his overall charisma and heart. But the incompetency, in conjunction with the sanitation reveal (never mind the not Jedi stuff) is a huge point of anger.
Finn is still an elephant in the room. Many of them straight up pissed off, and it totally destroys their liking of the movie.
Personally, I really liked Finn, and thought he helped carry numerous parts along with his overall charisma and heart. But the incompetency, in conjunction with the sanitation reveal (never mind the not Jedi stuff) is a huge point of anger.
I don't think that was ever brought up in the movie, though. I only heard of it in the pre-release discussion
Just saw an Imax 3D showing. I fucking loved this film. It was everything I wanted. Just a good Star Wars film after so many years.
I loved Kylo Ren so much. As others have said in this thread he feels like a success to what Lucas tried with Anakin and failed. That "try hard" -ness and wanting so bad to be like his grandfather. I can't wait for episodes 8 and 9.
He seemed so close to coming back to the light when Han approached him, but right when he stabbed him that was the big test Snoke was talking about. Now that he's killed his own father it feels like he has started to fully accept the dark side. Finally resting his doubts about what he's doing.
One of my favorite parts is how we were just thrown into the story again. Just like ANH there was a story already happening and we the audience were there along for the ride without all this long exposition. Sure they called out a few things from the past but it was so refreshing to just be thrown into the loop 32 years after the original.
Sith was mentioned by Han Solo. Telling Rei and Finn everything about the force is true. The word "sith" was literally said only once the whole film I believe hahaha.
I loved Kylo Ren so much. As others have said in this thread he feels like a success to what Lucas tried with Anakin and failed. That "try hard" -ness and wanting so bad to be like his grandfather. I can't wait for episodes 8 and 9.
He seemed so close to coming back to the light when Han approached him, but right when he stabbed him that was the big test Snoke was talking about. Now that he's killed his own father it feels like he has started to fully accept the dark side. Finally resting his doubts about what he's doing.
One of my favorite parts is how we were just thrown into the story again. Just like ANH there was a story already happening and we the audience were there along for the ride without all this long exposition. Sure they called out a few things from the past but it was so refreshing to just be thrown into the loop 32 years after the original.
Sith was mentioned by Han Solo. Telling Rei and Finn everything about the force is true. The word "sith" was literally said only once the whole film I believe hahaha.
I believe that Sith are a specific order, much like the Jedi are. There is training involved, rituals, and legacy. If Supreme Leader Sno
yup, star wars is a million times better if you pretend they don't exist or they happened in some other way.
I'm fine with them being ignored forever. Hell, I'd love it if someone redid them entirely, saying the lucas ones weren't canon.
Best case is we never go back, though.
Beer Monkey
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NOTHING about politics in TFA = +100.
People, the PT doesn't even make sense. It's all nonsense.
EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l5eZp8Ae9c
Or because luke had instructed R2 to only wake up if he or his daughter showed up. Rey showing up to Leia/the Resistance would definitely mean something was up.
Bobby Roberts
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Okay, the more I'm thinking about this "Maybe she's a Kenobi" thing, the more I'm seeing possibilities for it happening. Not that I think it'll happen (it's probably a lot more narratively simple/cleaner to just have her be Luke's daughter, if only so that the final confrontation is Luke's daughter vs. Leia's son) but...
1) We know that the production had been, at one point, looking for someone to specifically play a Kenobi relation. At the time, that news was attached to casting rumors around Lupita Nyong'o, but considering people also thought she'd be playing a sith or something back then, I think it's possible the Kenobi-relation tidbit was misinterpreted the wrong way and attached to the wrong actress. But that's kind of a leap, I know.
2) That RHYMING POETRY bullshit that we ALL LOVE SOOOOO MUCH in Star Wars could be applied here pretty easily, honestly. If she's a Kenobi Granddaughter somehow/someway (man, wouldn't it be nice if this was some part of a spinoff story about ol' Ben on Tattooine), then you have a scenario wherein Luke takes in Ben's offspring, watches over her, basically adopts her as his own and then has to stash her on a backwater planet while he goes into exile, to keep her safe from the imminent threat that is his failed apprentice. Which would sorta kinda explain
3) his look at the end of the movie, where he seems uncomprehending, unsure, and not entirely happy. More bittersweet than anything. Because he's seen this before. It's looping back in on him. Whether she wanted it or not, his failed apprentice has affected her life, and just like Anakin's saber started him on his journey to becoming a Jedi, here she is, holding the same saber, wordlessly asking him to do the same for her, so she can do the same thing he set out to do all those years ago.
It's like poetry.
It rhymes.
1) We know that the production had been, at one point, looking for someone to specifically play a Kenobi relation. At the time, that news was attached to casting rumors around Lupita Nyong'o, but considering people also thought she'd be playing a sith or something back then, I think it's possible the Kenobi-relation tidbit was misinterpreted the wrong way and attached to the wrong actress. But that's kind of a leap, I know.
2) That RHYMING POETRY bullshit that we ALL LOVE SOOOOO MUCH in Star Wars could be applied here pretty easily, honestly. If she's a Kenobi Granddaughter somehow/someway (man, wouldn't it be nice if this was some part of a spinoff story about ol' Ben on Tattooine), then you have a scenario wherein Luke takes in Ben's offspring, watches over her, basically adopts her as his own and then has to stash her on a backwater planet while he goes into exile, to keep her safe from the imminent threat that is his failed apprentice. Which would sorta kinda explain
3) his look at the end of the movie, where he seems uncomprehending, unsure, and not entirely happy. More bittersweet than anything. Because he's seen this before. It's looping back in on him. Whether she wanted it or not, his failed apprentice has affected her life, and just like Anakin's saber started him on his journey to becoming a Jedi, here she is, holding the same saber, wordlessly asking him to do the same for her, so she can do the same thing he set out to do all those years ago.
It's like poetry.
It rhymes.
Lights and Waves
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This would be AMAZING.
Maz Kanata (or someone else said) that first the sith were the enemy, then the empire then now the new order.
CD'S BAR
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Yep. I imagined that scene so much better in my mind. They should have gone with a still landscape shot of her holding out the saber and then music swells and cuts to credits just as he reaches out as if to take it. The helicopter spin was like...wut...
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