She is Ezras Bridger's daughter, so they will close the circle. Would also work with the timeline.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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She is Ezras Bridger's daughter, so they will close the circle. Would also work with the timeline.
Speaking of ending shots, static or not, they just need to be memorable.
Han, Luke, Leia at the victory celebration. Luke and Leia, R2 and C3PO on the cruiser looking out into space. The whole cast sitting together.
But the prequels... I had to go look them up, I couldn't remember them. And I actually don't hate those movies! But the final scenes didn't evoke any kind of emotion or trigger any memories.
But this shot, with Rey's outstretched hand holding a lightsaber to Luke, I will remember forever. It was INSTANTLY memorable, even if it was an aerial shot. It evoked the same feelings. I'm almost waiting for an artist to group all the ending shots together.
Han, Luke, Leia at the victory celebration. Luke and Leia, R2 and C3PO on the cruiser looking out into space. The whole cast sitting together.
But the prequels... I had to go look them up, I couldn't remember them. And I actually don't hate those movies! But the final scenes didn't evoke any kind of emotion or trigger any memories.
But this shot, with Rey's outstretched hand holding a lightsaber to Luke, I will remember forever. It was INSTANTLY memorable, even if it was an aerial shot. It evoked the same feelings. I'm almost waiting for an artist to group all the ending shots together.
Messypandas
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If Maz returns, she could be the connection Lando. It would make sense if she received Lukes lightsaber off him.
CD'S BAR
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They should have kept it around til the next movie. Would have given it some narrative difference from the other death star movies. Also it was like one hundred times the size of the original but destroyed pretty easily and in the same way as the others.
The resistance could have deactivated it or something, then we could see it abandoned in viii or ix.
Ganzlinger
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That would be THE plot twist
Salty Catfish
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Dat pre-battle hug! <3
Jar Jar should've been front and center in that crowd when those planets got blown up.
Lol TPM is a terrible movie and that last sequence is bad in many ways, but there is nothing wrong with that shot in terms of its framing. It directly mirrors ANH.
This helicopter shot itself is just awful. I like the idea of the shot in terms of showing 2 static figures representing the future and the past meeting for the first time and the distance between them, but it should have been a different shot. Not only is the spinning bad but it's also outside of the visual vocabulary of Star Wars and no previous film has ended in a moving shot. And it was just visually unappealing.
A Link to the Past
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...Because Finn literally had a huge fucking uproar against him for no other reason than the fact that he's black? lol. I'm not discrediting Isaac's amazing acting chops, I'm saying that he would have gotten the same kind of hate if his skin was darker. I think we can all agree that John Boyega's hatebase isn't fueled by his capability as an actor
That said, I apologize if it seemed like I was trying to diminish his performance or if it seemed like I was trying to suggest that being Latino carried no stigma. The knock was directed at the Finn hatebase, not against Isaac.
Rumor is Lando is coming back. In what way? Not a clue. Could be a cameo or it could be something more, but its a safe bet.
Frustrated_me
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I wonder if anything from Rebel's will be in this film or the upcoming films.
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1- Luke didn't really have to show up, I thought he wouldn't at all towards the end and they'd save it for the later half of Ep VIII. It's alright that he was there, no big deal either way.
2- Only two characters in this movie outright looked like CG, and they both look horrible. Lupita Nugyon's character looks like it's from Antz, absolutely didn't need to be CG. Should have just be a small person. Hopefully she's dead. Snookie looks ridiculous. Hopefully he's only a giant as a holographic projection and they decide to have someone with makeup in the next movies. Can't Andy Serkis just put on a costume? They basically already ruined what should be a character on par with the emperor, but he just looks like a bad CGed Voldermort. Both of these characters had no point in being CG at all, it just made them worst. Felt straight out of the prequels.
3- R2 turning on after everything happened felt a bit silly, I think they could have him turn on when BB8 first nudges him, because even with the map to Luke's location they would still have had to go and save Rey and Han would have still wanted to get an opportunity to save his son before they blow up the Death Star 3.0. Minor detail, but I don't get why they chose to do it this way, it just makes it feel a bit too forced like "oh we are running out of time let's wrap it up".
4- Finn and Co. stumbling on Captain Phasma on a planet-size spaceship was a bit silly. Don't see why they didn't just have her in the shield room with some other Storm Troopers, have them forced to surrender. I have a weird feeling she's written as a character that will never get killed, and will probably even join the resistance at some point.
My guess on how the story was going to unfold was Han finding out Ren is still alive after having lost him years earlier in battle and that he became a baddie (not Luke having trained him, rather the order having captured him because of his likely force sensitivity), Rey being Ren's sister, her and Han getting uncle Luke to help bring Ren back to the light side, and Luke killing Ren in front of Han instead of trying to save him and then leaving on his own, ending the movie on a darker tone. The next ones being about getting to the bottom of what's going on and Rey trying to catch up with Luke to reason with him. I thought they would have Luke try to suppress any remaining force users (and how it's futile because the force will always attempt to "awaken", "both the dark and the light"), believing only his family members remain as potential force users, but not being able to kill Leia/Rey because they're not evil yet, and this being in play in the next movies. Then he realizes it's pointless because the force will always be there and he passes on whatever to Rey.
So I surprised to actually see Han die and Luke not show up earlier
And yeah I hope Lando will return, would make sense any way.
2- Only two characters in this movie outright looked like CG, and they both look horrible. Lupita Nugyon's character looks like it's from Antz, absolutely didn't need to be CG. Should have just be a small person. Hopefully she's dead. Snookie looks ridiculous. Hopefully he's only a giant as a holographic projection and they decide to have someone with makeup in the next movies. Can't Andy Serkis just put on a costume? They basically already ruined what should be a character on par with the emperor, but he just looks like a bad CGed Voldermort. Both of these characters had no point in being CG at all, it just made them worst. Felt straight out of the prequels.
3- R2 turning on after everything happened felt a bit silly, I think they could have him turn on when BB8 first nudges him, because even with the map to Luke's location they would still have had to go and save Rey and Han would have still wanted to get an opportunity to save his son before they blow up the Death Star 3.0. Minor detail, but I don't get why they chose to do it this way, it just makes it feel a bit too forced like "oh we are running out of time let's wrap it up".
4- Finn and Co. stumbling on Captain Phasma on a planet-size spaceship was a bit silly. Don't see why they didn't just have her in the shield room with some other Storm Troopers, have them forced to surrender. I have a weird feeling she's written as a character that will never get killed, and will probably even join the resistance at some point.
My guess on how the story was going to unfold was Han finding out Ren is still alive after having lost him years earlier in battle and that he became a baddie (not Luke having trained him, rather the order having captured him because of his likely force sensitivity), Rey being Ren's sister, her and Han getting uncle Luke to help bring Ren back to the light side, and Luke killing Ren in front of Han instead of trying to save him and then leaving on his own, ending the movie on a darker tone. The next ones being about getting to the bottom of what's going on and Rey trying to catch up with Luke to reason with him. I thought they would have Luke try to suppress any remaining force users (and how it's futile because the force will always attempt to "awaken", "both the dark and the light"), believing only his family members remain as potential force users, but not being able to kill Leia/Rey because they're not evil yet, and this being in play in the next movies. Then he realizes it's pointless because the force will always be there and he passes on whatever to Rey.
So I surprised to actually see Han die and Luke not show up earlier
And yeah I hope Lando will return, would make sense any way.
Ragnorok64
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If you're wondering about why it didn't go spinning off wildly out if control, it seems that the planet has means of propulsion. At the very least it has to have hyperdrive capability to get from star to star. As for the other planets in any given system, they probably don't care.
fastford58
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Maz is Tits. Loved every scene with her in it.
I expected the incorporation of the OT characters to be pure fanservice but the scenes legit got me because of how understated they were. There's barely any dialogue, you just have Han and Leia hug after thirty years of not seeing these characters on screen together and that's all it takes.
CD'S BAR
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I feel like JJ was going for a visual crescendo into the credits instead of the usual musical one. So, cool idea but it fell flat and I feel like it restricted J.williams at that moment.
Subpar Spatula
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I think Phasma is dead. Isn't she trapped in the garbage place? I want to know how she got out of there.
I thought Luke's lightsaber was green though? I'm confused it that was Luke's or Kylo Ren's.
Sectorseven
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I just hope it isn't a knee jerk reaction to the opposite extreme. "She's got to be the center of the action this time, like Boba Fett."
Did JJ/Lawrence make up a new Jedi power? Mind reading?
Got shades of Harry Potter and legilimency when Snape tried to read Harry's mind and Harry being the chosen one inadvertently read Snape's mind.
She's not really part of the story, she got as much time as she needed... maybe she'll feel scorned that Fin was her responsibility and we have a Fin vs Phasma showdown but other than that, she's a bland character with little depth (could be fleshed out though)
Got shades of Harry Potter and legilimency when Snape tried to read Harry's mind and Harry being the chosen one inadvertently read Snape's mind.
She's not really part of the story, she got as much time as she needed... maybe she'll feel scorned that Fin was her responsibility and we have a Fin vs Phasma showdown but other than that, she's a bland character with little depth (could be fleshed out though)
WadiumArcadium
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She's already confirmed for VIII.
ZeroMaverick
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This is a good point.
I think I'm going to watch it again on Christmas Eve. I hope so, anyway.
Han had Finn throw her down the garbage shoot, yeah, but they could easily write her out of that.
Vader basically read Luke's mind in order to discover Luke's sister in ROTJ
JJ tried so hard to copy the original 2 movies...he is her Boba Fett. People love her despite her doing absolutely nothing. Even less so this time around.
gutter_trash
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I am glad that I am not alone hating on Maz's CG1- Luke didn't really have to show up, I thought he wouldn't at all towards the end and they'd save it for the later half of Ep VIII. It's alright that he was there, no big deal either way.
2- Only two characters in this movie outright looked like CG, and they both look horrible. Lupita Nugyon's character looks like it's from Antz, absolutely didn't need to be CG. Should have just be a small person. Hopefully she's dead. Snookie looks ridiculous. Hopefully he's only a giant as a holographic projection and they decide to have someone with makeup in the next movies. Can't Andy Serkis just put on a costume? They basically already ruined what should be a character on par with the emperor, but he just looks like a bad CGed Voldermort. Both of these characters had no point in being CG at all, it just made them worst. Felt straight out of the prequels.
3- R2 turning on after everything happened felt a bit silly, I think they could have him turn on when BB8 first nudges him, because even with the map to Luke's location they would still have had to go and save Rey and Han would have still wanted to get an opportunity to save his son before they blow up the Death Star 3.0. Minor detail, but I don't get why they chose to do it this way, it just makes it feel a bit too forced like "oh we are running out of time let's wrap it up".
4- Finn and Co. stumbling on Captain Phasma on a planet-size spaceship was a bit silly. Don't see why they didn't just have her in the shield room with some other Storm Troopers, have them forced to surrender. I have a weird feeling she's written as a character that will never get killed, and will probably even join the resistance at some point.
My guess on how the story was going to unfold was Han finding out Ren is still alive after having lost him years earlier in battle and that he became a baddie (not Luke having trained him, rather the order having captured him because of his likely force sensitivity), Rey being Ren's sister, her and Han getting uncle Luke to help bring Ren back to the light side, and Luke killing Ren in front of Han instead of trying to save him and then leaving on his own, ending the movie on a darker tone. The next ones being about getting to the bottom of what's going on and Rey trying to catch up with Luke to reason with him. I thought they would have Luke try to suppress any remaining force users (and how it's futile because the force will always attempt to "awaken", "both the dark and the light"), believing only his family members remain as potential force users, but not being able to kill Leia/Rey because they're not evil yet, and this being in play in the next movies. Then he realizes it's pointless because the force will always be there and he passes on whatever to Rey.
So I surprised to actually see Han die and Luke not show up earlier
And yeah I hope Lando will return, would make sense any way.
Well, you gotta stop going to Pretentious Cinemas 16
MrPressStart
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I wonder if he will rock a new mask? His last one was left on the catwalk.
A Link to the Past
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How would she even get out of a garbage chute? Such a thing is unprecedented.
Nah that's been a thing for a while. Vader is able to read Luke's thoughts in Return of the Jedi.
If she's alive, the same way Luke, Leia and Han got out in ANH.
Messypandas
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Luke built a green one by himself in Return of the Jedi, its presumed he still has that one. The one Rey gets in this movie is the one Luke lost when his hand was cut off in Empire Strikes Back. It must have been found in cloud city.
He's going to be 80 years old and he didn't look like he was in real good shape in the last picture I saw of him. But maybe it was a slightly older photo. I think he definitely shows up but I don't expect it to be more than a cameo or minimal screen time. Something similar to what Leia had in this movie.
I think Chewie flies the Falcon and he ends up getting Finn with him. Finn takes over in the Han role.
Well, Kathleen Kennedy confirmed Phasma will return in Ep 8 and hinted that she will actually do cool stuff next time.
johancruijff
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so for EP VIII Benicio Del Toro, as a villain, was confirmed right?
And there was an actress too, but i can't remember her name
And there was an actress too, but i can't remember her name
ZeroMaverick
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Also, wasn't it just fucking awesome that Kylo's helmet is seemingly mega heavy?
Subpar Spatula
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Another "so... did they live or not" guys. Dumb.
OricWindstar
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He's also done positive reviews before, like the Abrams Star Trek.
He made a new one for ROTJ which was green, after he lost Vader's at Bespin, along with his hand.
How the hell did I manage to forget that... thanks for the heads up.
Ragnorok64
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For those that are familiar with EU, tearing information from and screwing around with people's minds is everyday fair.
But then again EU got nuked
. Dang it this is still hard to get used to.My friend had a fun close reading after leaving the theater of when Poe first meets Finn in the Tie Fighter.
During the exchange when Poe asks Finn's name and all Finn can provide is his code-name, my friend read into it as though there was some sort of racist undertone there, where the black guy who has no apparent skill or real identity is given one by a white man who assigns him whatever name comes to mind, to which Finn passively accepts.
During the exchange when Poe asks Finn's name and all Finn can provide is his code-name, my friend read into it as though there was some sort of racist undertone there, where the black guy who has no apparent skill or real identity is given one by a white man who assigns him whatever name comes to mind, to which Finn passively accepts.
LegendofLex
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Things I don't want in VIII and beyond:
- Phasma continuing to be a wuss. I was seriously shocked they managed to coerce her into deactivating the shields, and even more shocked she didn't end up getting into some kind of fight with them.
- Some BS where the First Order was actually fighting a bigger evil all along and everyone teams up. (How StarCraft II turned out and the WarCraft movie is ending up, plus some stuff from the old EU, makes me really nervous about this.)
- Another goddamn massive planet-destroying space station with a trench and/or vulnerable core of any kind.
- To only see X-Wings and TIEs in aerial and space battles.
- Unexpected "shock twist reveals." This movie had plenty of tension without relying on them, and that's probably the best thing it took away from IV.
- Phasma continuing to be a wuss. I was seriously shocked they managed to coerce her into deactivating the shields, and even more shocked she didn't end up getting into some kind of fight with them.
- Some BS where the First Order was actually fighting a bigger evil all along and everyone teams up. (How StarCraft II turned out and the WarCraft movie is ending up, plus some stuff from the old EU, makes me really nervous about this.)
- Another goddamn massive planet-destroying space station with a trench and/or vulnerable core of any kind.
- To only see X-Wings and TIEs in aerial and space battles.
- Unexpected "shock twist reveals." This movie had plenty of tension without relying on them, and that's probably the best thing it took away from IV.
DownGrader
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I remembered that "boom", thank you!
WadiumArcadium
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Well that's one way of seeing it...
Rated-Rsuperstar
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Just saw it. Not much to complain about. So im gonna complain about how disappointing the music was. Weakest score in the series by far. Now i wished michael giacchino would have been the composer.
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