Shuggananas
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I feel (if the knights of ren aren't already dead by luke's hand) that kylo may go rogue and not bother anymore with the new order in VIII
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I feel (if the knights of ren aren't already dead by luke's hand) that kylo may go rogue and not bother anymore with the new order in VIII
lastplayed
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Definitely not. I'm hoping he's not Sith at all.
Disheveled_Zen
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There was a red line showing a path through the map that was most likely the hyperlane that showed how to get to the planet he was currently on. In the SWTOR MMO, the hyperlane to Tython had been lost for centuries, so no one knew how to get there. The universe be a big ass place.
She was cool. She was in it enough and we will see her again. She's just a high-ranking officer. There's really no need to expand on her character right now. It's good that they didn't overextend themselves with the number of characters. No need to put her in a bunch of stuff just because she looks cool. Make it serve the plot.
MagicWithEarvin
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You don't think it would be a cool twist if Plagueis was the author behind your pain all these years?!
It might be interesting if he is pretending to be Plagueis and hiding behind these holograms. Personally I'd rather they left everything from the prequels alone, if Snoke is Plagueis then it just makes Palpatine look like a moron. I find it hard to believe he wouldn't know his master survived.
Grover Cleveland
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I think people like the idea of a big bad tying all three trilogies together.
Plagueis reappearing after what, seventy, eighty years on the sidelines as Snoke isn't particularly logical to me though
Jacksinthe
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Allegedly the knights of Ren.
But I know that dude in the back is from Dark Souls. Look at his sword.
She honestly should've been saved for a sequel. She did nothing.
I thought it looked pretty similar to Reys goggles and also of an alien from the Cantina scene in A New Hope. Upon looking it up they're called Ithorians?
Few thoughts on soundtrack, Maz and Snoke:
I was excitingly expecting a few old themes to kick in and the movie had those moments but it was not crazy about it and I think that's quite alright. I think they went pretty low key on major memorable leitmotif character themes this time. At least Rey's jolly character theme stands out and is pretty memorable. So maybe when I see it again I'll recognize the rest.
Maz is great, she is wise and guides Rey and immediately know what's up with Finn. Hope to see more of her. Great glasses too.
Snoke was a big surprise since there were no screenshots or anything about it(?). Less shadowy than Darth Sidious which is a good thing but just as mysterious.
I was excitingly expecting a few old themes to kick in and the movie had those moments but it was not crazy about it and I think that's quite alright. I think they went pretty low key on major memorable leitmotif character themes this time. At least Rey's jolly character theme stands out and is pretty memorable. So maybe when I see it again I'll recognize the rest.
Maz is great, she is wise and guides Rey and immediately know what's up with Finn. Hope to see more of her. Great glasses too.
Snoke was a big surprise since there were no screenshots or anything about it(?). Less shadowy than Darth Sidious which is a good thing but just as mysterious.
Gunslinger
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I really hope kylo ren is the ultimate villain and not snoke. They can follow the sith rule where apprentice takes the master out one day and then takes in a new apprentice. Kylo can go to the route of Anton from no country for old man. Like a generally evil character with no redeeming qualities. But at the same time a complex character and not a cardboard cutout villain.
SparksterMeta0
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Yeah. Like I said on my post, I didn't think he would take it off this soon.
Jacksinthe
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Plagueis understood the risks and played the long game after he cheated death. He let the Emperor take all the risks for him while he kept his identity under wraps.
I think actually having Plagueis in the films now makes sense IF they want to conclude the franchise this way. If they want to keep milking the series post episode IX, them we won't see him. That's my theory.
Nemesis121
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Perfect place to reveal Kylo would have been when he killed his Father..
ReplacementPelican
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I liked the Ren thing. It sets us up as 'this dude is the Darth Vader of the sequel trilogy' and them boom, he's just a kid (at least mentally) who barely has any control over his emotions and is a blunt pawn. I liked the bait and switch of that.
I feel like the only one though.
PHOENIXZERO
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I probably would've been a lot more pissed at being spoiled on Han and Kylo being his and Leia's son had that not been pretty clear (and not at all a secret in the movie) for anyone that's probably paid attention. Ford finally got his wish and I'm okay with it, I was more disappointed that Luke only had like 30 seconds of screen time (also spoiled in the same d-bag FB comment I saw yesterday) but I guess that's one of the hooks for episode VIII a year and a half from now.
Rey = Ray as in "Ray of Light" as in she's "A New Hope", isn't she? They're clearly paralleling young Anakin and Luke but how is she already somewhat adept at controlling the Force with no training? Did she have training as a child and had her memory or something erased for him? I was kind of disappointed that the "I know your eyes" convo with Maz from one of the previews and seemed to be directed at Rey was cut. As for Anakin's lightsaber being there umm "will of the Force" and all that, perhaps Luke saw the future and has had this all set up the whole time. I'm not sure if her being put on that planet was a test of patience or a test her ability to let go, well along with hiding her of course.
Thought it was kind of interesting that Kylo Ren's real name is Ben, unless they let Luke name him that's an odd choice for Leia and Han to name their kid. Unless I misheard and it was Bail as in Bail Organa which would make a lot more sense.
Anyway, 50+ mile drive to see it only to see on the way back that my town's single screen theater that's less than a mile away already got it, I enjoyed it Finn was the best overall character and the wait for EP VIII is going to suck.
EDIT: Oh, yeah the was basically a Super Deathstar that also reminded me of the Sun Crusher (or more sun sucker in this case) even without that ugly design the Sun Crusher had was kind of a disappointment that seemed like it only existed so they had a reason to throw out the reference to Luke's original last name.
The movie pretty much was all set up and establish characters for what's to come after.
Rey = Ray as in "Ray of Light" as in she's "A New Hope", isn't she? They're clearly paralleling young Anakin and Luke but how is she already somewhat adept at controlling the Force with no training? Did she have training as a child and had her memory or something erased for him? I was kind of disappointed that the "I know your eyes" convo with Maz from one of the previews and seemed to be directed at Rey was cut. As for Anakin's lightsaber being there umm "will of the Force" and all that, perhaps Luke saw the future and has had this all set up the whole time. I'm not sure if her being put on that planet was a test of patience or a test her ability to let go, well along with hiding her of course.
Thought it was kind of interesting that Kylo Ren's real name is Ben, unless they let Luke name him that's an odd choice for Leia and Han to name their kid. Unless I misheard and it was Bail as in Bail Organa which would make a lot more sense.
Anyway, 50+ mile drive to see it only to see on the way back that my town's single screen theater that's less than a mile away already got it, I enjoyed it Finn was the best overall character and the wait for EP VIII is going to suck.
EDIT: Oh, yeah the was basically a Super Deathstar that also reminded me of the Sun Crusher (or more sun sucker in this case) even without that ugly design the Sun Crusher had was kind of a disappointment that seemed like it only existed so they had a reason to throw out the reference to Luke's original last name.
The movie pretty much was all set up and establish characters for what's to come after.
Chezzymann
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Saw it again. I didn't like the last half of the movie on my first watch, but on my second watch I really enjoyed it. Realized that the whole 'death star 3.0" stuff was merely a distraction to the real important (and new) stuff between rey han and Ben. Yes, the basic plot structure of the movie was very similar to a new hope but the interactions between new and old characters and set ups for future movies is what makes it different enough to be its own thing. That saber battle was great.
Mister Negative
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I liked it the way they had it. Kind of subverts your expectations. He's not just another sith with a mask.
Another thing I loved about Kylo was the weight they give him. They clearly show that his helmet/mask is REALLY HEAVY. Like, Piccolo's training gear heavy. And the way he stomps around. The bass in the movie theater speakers was thumping every time he took a step. I loved that.
Edit: and on the saber fights: The wild acrobatic shit from the prequels would have been SO OUT OF PLACE here. The duels we see in the prequels are a little more unhinged than what we see in the OT, but they're amateurish, as they should be.
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Oh great I was worried he would be of the actual size we see him as in the movie. 100% unnecessary for him for be CG though, even at 7' tall. Serkis can't just put on a fucking costume, I don't know why they keep going for him just because they have to get some CG character, especially when they really don't need him to be CG, and the CG looked bad and will bad either way.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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yeah, the whole shot before with every faction seeing it from afar...
I couldn't hold it, shivers
I know I probably shouldn't apply real science to Star Wars (or JJ Abrams movies), but how is this laser supposed to work?
It's a giant beam that travels from Starkiller to the other solar system.
if it's a giant beam, then that means it can only travel at the speed of light.
If it can only travel at the speed of light, wouldn't it take hundreds of light years to reach the other solar system?
Shouldn't they be sending the beam through hyperspace or something?
I realize Star Wars sucks with science, but this seems to violate Star Wars own pseudo-scientific laws.
Also, it's moving pretty slow in this picture.
maquiladora
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Loved that. Felt straight out of an 80's Spielberg film. Actually I felt Spielberg's influence on Abrams in this film a lot more than in most of his films.
And yeah, Rey and Finn were amazing. So thrilled so see what they get up to in 8 and 9.
Ennosuke
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Good point, I had the same thought. The movie didn't really explain the star wars universe to us. Instead it felt like the planets are not important, as well as what happened in the last 30 years. What the prequels did right, was giving us much more inspiration about the galaxy.
I hope that the next movie feels more like we have a story in a huge and complex universe.
Ideally there will be more to Snoke than just his brooding. At least the Emperor was fun to watch.
I just want this character improve in every way possible. The CGI was bad, and everything bout Snoke was incredibly generic. He was just a one dimensional bad guy, the same kind of evil bad guy we've seen in countless other films.
The quality of the final two films are dependent on the development of this character. He needs to be more unique, more developed, and needs more depth to his purpose and persona. And the CGI needs to be drastically improved.
Arkos
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Didn't you ever play KOTOR? Ithorians pfffft I'm pretty sure I screwed at least one of them over.
OricWindstar
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Ren taking off his mask is exactly what he needed to do, in my opinion. Him with the mask is a nice visual tie in to his Vader roots, but when he loses it he starts becoming his own thing. I'm curious what his look in the next movie will be, considering both his saber and mask were destroyed.
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Shuggananas
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Honestly I don't think they ever bothered with speeds and relativity, star wars has its own rules
yeah it shows how much of a vader wannabe he is, how close he is to it with the mask and his attitude but in the end he's just a candy ass who doesn't have it, yet
For me this is exactly their goal and it is the correct way to see the character.
Not "ololz omg he is so kewl and evil , no redemption FTW, totes a better anakain than anakain" .
That and the prequels constant bashing is starting to get to me man.
Same with me and my family. Anglo-whites don't consider us whites for the most part. People conflate race and ethnicity easily.
The Right Deal
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Is there any reason Phasma couldn't have been the trooper Finn melee's without outside of Maz's palace? Wouldn't that have made sense and given Phasma something a little more to do in the film?
The_Inquisitor
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Thought they said in movie that they travel at hyper speed.
Mister Negative
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Well he's gonna have a sweet scar now. I almost feel like he won't go back to the mask.
ViewtifulJC
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See, I thought the film was incredibly cinematic. JJ likes his close-ups, but he makes full use of the frame. I think about the tracking of Poe arriving arrested on the Star Destroyer as he moves from the right to the left, taking in the full grandeur of the First Order's resources. The whip pan from Finn to Phasma after the massacre actually works because of the close-up and our expectations. The tracking shot from Poe to Finn at ground level and then back to Poe when the Resistance comes in. The depth and width visualized when Han is arguing back and forth with the gangs, on two ends of the horizontal plane from each other. The way he's always conscious to show a wider shot every now and again of people fighting so we know where they are in the environment. The way the camera stays with a group of stromtroopers before running down the right path, before smoothly moving to Rey's perspective coming out of hiding and running down the left path.
Abrams toned down a lot of his weird tics like crazy lens flare everywhere and canted angles, and his visual storytelling has never been better. Helps that some really great art/production design and consistently great lighting/color choices throughout.
Messypandas
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He'll get a new mask I reckon, to sell dem toys. He'll still have the flowing hair, not to be mean but it helps hide the actors massive ears.
Been a while since I played it lol. I first played it when I was like 8 and I was terrible at it, didn't even get off the first planet. Revisited it last year and made it up to Jedi training but I lost interest.
Chezzymann
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It looked like it was traveling faster than light speed. So maybe it took a few hours to get there, which still wouldn't be enough time to evacuate an entire planet.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Plagueis is canon
I disliked that shot because it didn't make much sense to me, like if Luke did that in the Originals I'd be like, "yeah, that makes sense since his grand dream is to get off this rock and get into some adventures." But Rey only cares about staying on Jakku so her putting on a Rebel Helmet just seemed out of place, something that looks cool but is ultimately meaningless.
Plagueis is part of this canon. His book wasn't, but the character certainly was and he could just as well be rewritten into this trilogy.
Lifejumper
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Kylo having vaders burned mask... Did luke keep it as a keepsake?
Arkos
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Oh man go finish it! I am long overdue for a replay myself
Plagueis isn't from the EU though, Palpatine talks about him in ROTS.
You're not. I loved it. Made him different from Vader and showed that he's not the epic, bad-ass villain he wants to be. He's just a conflicted kid who is hungry for power. You could see the insecurity in his eyes when he took his mask off. Great performance by Driver. I imagine he will be more confident and intimidating in the next one though. His face is now scarred and he'll complete his training.
It's funny though that there are so many complaints about this considering it's one of the biggest differences from the OT. Keeping his mask on the whole movie or until the faceoff with Han would have been too similar to Vader.
oh, also, i loved those bits of dialogue that were either foreshadowing, or subtle ways to pass on information without feeling forced.
Like Rey telling BB8 not to go north, because the sand would swallow him up. (which later happens to Poe / Finn's TIE fighter)
or Poe randomly praising BB8 for being "white and orange, one of a kind!" which Finn dismisses, but that information later helps him recognize the droid as Poe's.
Like Rey telling BB8 not to go north, because the sand would swallow him up. (which later happens to Poe / Finn's TIE fighter)
or Poe randomly praising BB8 for being "white and orange, one of a kind!" which Finn dismisses, but that information later helps him recognize the droid as Poe's.
Digital-Hero
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Knights of Ren
Mister Negative
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I agree as well.
A lot of the bashing is coming from people who have spent the last 10 years thinking about EXACTLY how a new star wars film should be. I'm not at all surprised that people are negative about it.
Either that or sometime after the battle on/over Endor the remnants of the Empire or perhaps the First Order did some recon of the aftermath and found it themselves.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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If the beam is visible then it's not going faster than light speed. I mean, it's a beam of light after all.
I need to watch the scene again to see how they did it.
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