[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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Christopher said:
I'm sure it was after she touched the saber
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That would surely be "the force awakens" then. A lightsaber on its own is nothing overly special. It certainly doesn't possess any force powers of its own. However we have seen countless times that the force does have an individual presence (Vader sensing Kenobi on the Death Star, for example). We also know that someone's force presence can linger on an object or an area for years, as shown by this canon comic,

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So Luke goes into hiding to learn more about the Jedi Order after failing Ben Solo. He doesn't want to risk failing his own daughter, so he abandons her and uses an advanced Jedi mind trick to cloud her memory so she won't go seeking him. Luke's force presence is lingering on his old lightsaber, and when Rey approaches it partially reverses what Luke did. The force has awoken, it's not instantaneous but Rey is slowing recalling her abilities.
 
endlessflood said:
I totally agree on Han, but not on Leia: their long emotional embrace after the battle was out of left field for people who had barely met. That's actually what started me thinking about this theory.

That's the reason I was asking about timeframes earlier. After Ben went to the dark side and Han went on his way, if Leia found out she was pregnant either just before or just after Han left, she could have kept that to herself and started taking steps to keep Rey's existence secret for fear of what Kylo Ren might do. If Luke was already out of the picture then she might have sequestered Rey on Jakku herself; if Luke was still around then entrusting Rey to him might have meant that he was the one who put her on Jakku.

What do we know about Max Von Sydow's character? Do we know how he came to be on Jakku (given he clearly knew Ben Solo), and how he came to possess the map that lead to Luke? I can't help but think he was there to keep an eye on Rey (from a distance).
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The one scene that made me think Han was aware of who Rey was was when Maz had asked Han who the girl was. It then cut to the scene of Rey wandering around into the basement of the bar. As if they didn't want to tell us something yet.
 
The approach to lightsaber duels in terms of choreography was pitch fucking perfect. The spinning dance moves and highly precise ballet of the prequel duels just felt detached, silly, and eventually tedious.

The lightsaber duels in TFA were impactful. They felt like a real fight. That's what I wanted. That's what I've always wanted.
 
I really liked it. Phasma did get pretty episode 6 Boba'd and the story was a near copy of episode 4's plot but I really didn't mind that since the new characters mixed it up so much for the better.

I for one am really intrigued by the idea that while the Empire has the resources to build mega weapons of death like always, the Sith still got pretty wrecked by Luke so long ago.

The new #2 of the Sith is, as another poster put it, a Vader fanboy that got his shit ruined by a much stronger force sensitive with no training. Sure he was injured by Chewie's revenge but it's interesting that the Sith with Vader and Palpatine dead are really on their 'C' team by now. Luke is in hiding for whatever really went down with his school but he's still probably the strongest being in the universe by far right now. Rei will be easily once she gets some real training.
 
dankir said:
Also is there somewhere to read what George Lucas thought about Force Awakens?
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He liked it and said a few weeks ago he was convinced it'd please the fans:

http://www.vulture.com/2015/12/george-lucas-delivers-a-verdict-on-force-awakens.html#

“I think the fans are going to love it,” he said. “It’s very much the kind of movie they’ve been looking for.”
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Also a really interesting and long article I highly recommend reading from the Washington Post where he likened his feeling of no longer having control of the series as being "divorced" from a spouse but you still go to the wedding when your child gets married because even if you and your spouse aren't hitched you're still happy for your kids:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...52067a-8b1f-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html
 
Crosseyes said:
The new #2 of the Sith is, as another poster put it, a Vader fanboy that got his shit ruined by a much stronger force sensitive with no training. Sure he was injured by Chewie's revenge but it's interesting that the Sith with Vader and Palpatine dead are really on their 'C' team by now..
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There are no Sith in this movie. They're just dark side acolytes/users.
 
Seventy_X_Seven said:
That would surely be "the force awakens" then. A lightsaber on its own is nothing overly special. It certainly doesn't possess any force powers of its own. However we have seen countless times that the force does have an individual presence (Vader sensing Kenobi on the Death Star, for example). We also know that someone's force presence can linger on an object or an area for years, as shown by this canon comic,



So Luke goes into hiding to learn more about the Jedi Order after failing Ben Solo. He doesn't want to risk failing his own daughter, so he abandons her and uses an advanced Jedi mind trick to cloud her memory so she won't go seeking him. Luke's force presence is lingering on his old lightsaber, and when Rey approaches it partially reverses what Luke did. The force has awoken, it's not instantaneous but Rey is slowing recalling her abilities.
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It also would make since how Kylo Ren reacted when he heard about her. It was almost as if he knew her
 
antonz said:
The Republic demilitarized beyond a token fleet. System defense was left to systems beyond whatever fleet they kept for the Capital system. Starkiller base pretty much resets the Galaxy to where the First Order could very well be the most powerful force in the galaxy again
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Which EU material covers and this? I kind of want to check it out.
 
golem said:
The name maybe but it doesnt seem like they are shying away from using the characterizations found in the old EU
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They're not using the EU at all. Neither Kasdan, nor Abrams, looked at the novels for any sort of story inspiration.

Similarities aren't a sign of direct inspiration.
 
endlessflood said:
I totally agree on Han, but not on Leia: their long emotional embrace after the battle was out of left field for people who had barely met. That's actually what started me thinking about this theory.

That's the reason I was asking about timeframes earlier. After Ben went to the dark side and Han went on his way, if Leia found out she was pregnant either just before or just after Han left, she could have kept that to herself and started taking steps to keep Rey's existence secret for fear of what Kylo Ren might do. If Luke was already out of the picture then she might have sequestered Rey on Jakku herself; if Luke was still around then entrusting Rey to him might have meant that he was the one who put her on Jakku.

What do we know about Max Von Sydow's character? Do we know how he came to be on Jakku (given he clearly knew Ben Solo), and how he came to possess the map that lead to Luke? I can't help but think he was there to keep an eye on Rey (from a distance).
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What if she's Luke and Leia's? Their attempt to create a Jedi so powerful, she could never be defeated. Maybe worth the awkward brother/sister sex stuff?

:O
 
sjay1994 said:
I don't think so. I think it was more to do with Kylo sensing Finns doubt at the beginning of the movie that made him stop and look at him instead of him being force sensitive.
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That'd be disappointing but not the end of the world. Felt he did pretty well against Ren. I also like he had some of Luke's doopiness from ANH.


seemed like Maz's castle had alot cut.
 
antonz said:
If Snoke is going to be a new character at least do something new with him. Right now he is Palpatine 2.0 while being half as menacing. He is already pulling the bring her to me so she can replace you bullshit.

At least Palpatine would have super motivation after having his Sith Empire destroyed to really want to fuck the skywalkers over.


oh my god. such fail
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Palpatine is the wrong comparison. Right now, Snoke is just Thanos.
 
SegaShack said:
I thought he did get really upset and go crazy shooting the stormtroopers.
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Just meant he owed Han a life debt and once Han died, Chewie wouldn't give trying to kill Ren until he was dead too. Unless he felt an obligation to Han's other kid. I think Rey belongs to the Solos.
 
shingi70 said:
That'd be disappointing but not the end of the world. Felt he did pretty well against Ren. I also like he had some of Luke's doopiness from ANH.


seemed like Maz's castle had alot cut.
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I mean, if you look at the fight it almost feels like Kylo is toying with Finn, were as he is trying against Rey. My guess with how Rey was able to stand toe to toe with Kylo was because she might have had training before she was put on Jakku (presumably by Luke), considering she saw the destruction of Lukes jedi order, blended in with her being put on Jakku.
 
Lawrence Kasdan prolly reading these fan theories about Rey's lineage while laughing.

I would imagine they knew people would assume she is Luke's...which most likely why she won't be.
 
Rey being Luke's kid would be one familial surprise too many IMO. Ren was acceptable. They shouldn't overdo it.

caesar said:
If anyone in the movie cant act, it's Rey.
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What is this foul NeoGAFery? Can't act? Did you even see the film, where her face and voice do the things that good actors can do? I cannot even.
 
Don't understand the qualms folks have about Kylo vs Finn/Rey duel and the fact that they were able to fight against him. Half the movie showed the power of the bowcaster and that Kylo was severely injured by it. If he wasn't, he could've clearly easily defeated both Finn and Rey in a heartbeat.
 
I must see that again in theatres. Quite simply a magical experience to behold.

I sincerely adored that movie. The new cast has great chemistry. It was a joy returning to this universe. The force was mystical again. I loved every single throw back. I feel they wanted to get all of the thematic throwbacks out of the way in this film to hand the torch over. The fights felt incredibly good, I loved that our antagonists was more human and flushed out. I can't wait to see more into his backstory, and fall to the dark side. And Luke... I'm so ready to see Rey's training. She is a fantastic character to fill Luke's shoes. I just love her. And Fin!!! My booy!!! I can't remember the last time a character was so instantly endearing on screen. I can't tell if he will be more of the Han character or if he will receive Jedi training as well. The characters all have so many different facets that could be explored. Fin has a bone to pick with the New Order. Will we see more Jedi? Luke apparently trained a handful of new Jedi over the past 30 years.

Also, I loved how the force was depicted in this move. The opening scene with the blaster bolt! Holy hell! The force just felt much more physical and part of the world compared to the flippy mayhem of the prequels.

Also I totally thought Snoke was 40 feet high until I learned it was a hologram. lol.
 
ryan299 said:
Image of old Snoke design from the art book.

http://i.imgur.com/B3sVdpg.jpg
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Oh good, the movie version is better. Probably should have been female though, just to distance the character from inevitable Emperor comparisons. I have to say that Snoke was the one thing about this movie where I was like "Too samey, maybe? Another creepy old evil guy?"

You can't out-Emperor the Emperor. He's an icon at this point.
 
But if Rey is Luke's daughter.. why didn't Han or Leia recognize her at all? She's not that much younger than Kylo.. I know Luke was off doing his Jedi training.. but they'd still recognize her in some way.

Also, is Finn a Jedi? I'm thinking there's something there.
 
NervousXtian said:
But if Rey is Luke's daughter.. why didn't Han or Leia recognize her at all? She's not that much younger than Kylo.. I know Luke was off doing his Jedi training.. but they'd still recognize her in some way.

Also, is Finn a Jedi? I'm thinking there's something there.
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Perhaps they had their minds erased as Rey seems to have. My guess is luke was training her and ben. Ben goes to the dark side. Luke is afraid she will do, wipes her memory and throws her in the middle of no where.
 
Just got out of the movie. It was my first Star Wars movie I got to see in theatres and I loved it. Kylo is an angsty teenager with power and I love it. He has supreme daddy issues and I want to see more from him. Rey is great and I like how she is the new Luke. Finn is fine, he was always set on 100, he never went to 0. When they captured Phasma and he had his moment of glory I was happy for him. Enjoyed the movie very much

Also on Rey's parents, what if they're nobody. What if they are just deadbeats who pawned off their daughter for something?
 
NervousXtian said:
But if Rey is Luke's daughter.. why didn't Han or Leia recognize her at all? She's not that much younger than Kylo.. I know Luke was off doing his Jedi training.. but they'd still recognize her in some way.

Also, is Finn a Jedi? I'm thinking there's something there.
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The part where Kylo is interrogating her and she's fighting back with the Force, I thought that's where he's going to tell her that they are siblings.

Now I have no idea what to think :(
 
NimbusD said:
Yeah I think that most people have agreed that this is the weakest part of the movie. Really lackluster monsters, effects, bounty hunters and wasted time we could have used to actually have the characters talk to each other more.
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It could have been handled better, but from compactor tentacles, to wampas and rancors, fighting goofy monsters is an undeniable element of cheeseball foundation of the series, so I'm fine with it.
 
My understanding is that The Republic is the government established by the rebels after RotJ. Instead of The Empire just governing everything, The Republic carved out a section of the galaxy to govern, with the remnants of The Empire governing the rest as The First Order. The Resistance is a rebellion within systems governed by The First Order, and are aided by The Republic.
 
Filth said:
" didn't want him to be old and decrepit like the emperor " yet he looks old and decrepit lol
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Yeah, seriously.

sjay1994 said:
The hologram was the most deceptive thing, because when Snoke first appears I am like "holy shit look at this behemoth."
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Am I remembering wrong, or was there no indication he was a hologram until it flickered off? I thought I was seeing some sort of giant creature too.
 
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