Sectorseven
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So how did this Snoke come to power and how is he funding the first order? Did his face get fucked up in a battle with Luke?
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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bananafactory
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Huh, I thought the film made it pretty clear she was not his daughter. People seem to want to believe she is, though.
This is interesting because not only do we not actually see Snoke's true physical form, so he could be any size (in fact, he appears to be larger than everyone else by the nature of the holographic image), by all accounts Maz was actually intended to be a much more central/important character.
I do think it's possible.
lastplayed
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I feel it would unnecessarily bog down the story and raise questions about where he was during the PT and OT. Why can't he be someone new.
Seventy_X_Seven
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From the novelization on Snoke,
I'm not saying he's Darth Plagueis, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility that he faked his death.
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So, a production question. Why Jakku? If they were going to do a desert planet , why not Tatooine?
They do look kind of similar. As possible as any other theory.
They do look kind of similar. As possible as any other theory.
Sure holes can be filled in later, but I take issue when someone is complaining about the fact a mention of lore is not explained when the OT did it constantly.
"Many bothans died bringing us this information"
Did he go "WTF ARE BOTHANS?"
... well, we will find out next year with Rouge one.
Ragnorok64
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Only if the species has crazy sexual dimorphism. Snoke is supposed to be like 7' tall or something.
Dubbedinenglish
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Saw it today and I liked it, don't know if I love yet but it was enjoyable at least.
The part that gives me reservations was how after all the hyping of Finn with a lightsaber they use him for a bait and switch. Even worse is the meta commentary of the black hero being a space janitor who is handy with a gun. Probably not intentional but it still feels pretty cheap on how they played it.
Though they do leave it open for his force adeptness with some of the details. IIRC the same force sound was playing at the opening when the bloodied trooper puts his hand on Finn's helmet, Kylo noticing him as he left the planet, his rejection of indoctrination and freeing Poe, his lightsaber skills in the final fight getting better to the point of him landing a hit on Kylo. Maz, also has a long look at him potentially seeing the force working through him, just that he was not ready for it yet. The biggest thing is though he literally had an "awakening" at the start of the movie which set off the journey of Rey.
Loved Poe and the battle at Maz's place was the high point of the film for me. Having the brief battle then the troopers change when "we got incoming" gets announced. That long shot of Poe's Xwing wrecking shit in the background and foreground was perfect.
It does rehash a lot of ANH but it does it tactfully, which makes it enjoyable.
The part that gives me reservations was how after all the hyping of Finn with a lightsaber they use him for a bait and switch. Even worse is the meta commentary of the black hero being a space janitor who is handy with a gun. Probably not intentional but it still feels pretty cheap on how they played it.
Though they do leave it open for his force adeptness with some of the details. IIRC the same force sound was playing at the opening when the bloodied trooper puts his hand on Finn's helmet, Kylo noticing him as he left the planet, his rejection of indoctrination and freeing Poe, his lightsaber skills in the final fight getting better to the point of him landing a hit on Kylo. Maz, also has a long look at him potentially seeing the force working through him, just that he was not ready for it yet. The biggest thing is though he literally had an "awakening" at the start of the movie which set off the journey of Rey.
Loved Poe and the battle at Maz's place was the high point of the film for me. Having the brief battle then the troopers change when "we got incoming" gets announced. That long shot of Poe's Xwing wrecking shit in the background and foreground was perfect.
It does rehash a lot of ANH but it does it tactfully, which makes it enjoyable.
Are they going to attempt to make Darth Vader reborn by using Kylo Ren's body? That sure as hell seemed to be the story they were almost trying to tell. His obsession with Vader, people saying he looked up to Vader, showing the helmet (I assume Luke/Leia took it and then gave to him before he turned), being badly wounded like Anakin and then them saying to bring him back to "complete his training".
I thought there were rumors of Disney wanting to bring Vader back somehow, have it be a clone or something else. This sure as hell makes sense to me if that was serious.
I'm also shocked they killed off Han. He is such a fan favorite, the prequel film on the character will be coming out, and they could have still done so much marketing around that character alone. I just still couldn't believe they did that. I figured they would, but not until the second or third film. The moment he walked towards the bridge though, I knew they were about to do it. :-(
I thought there were rumors of Disney wanting to bring Vader back somehow, have it be a clone or something else. This sure as hell makes sense to me if that was serious.
I'm also shocked they killed off Han. He is such a fan favorite, the prequel film on the character will be coming out, and they could have still done so much marketing around that character alone. I just still couldn't believe they did that. I figured they would, but not until the second or third film. The moment he walked towards the bridge though, I knew they were about to do it. :-(
Would be too obvious? More toys to sell?
Snoke being Maz and Chewie's love child confirmed? He has Maz's looks and Chewie's height.
bananafactory
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Because there's already a Tatooine map for Battlefront and they needed something to give people "free DLC"
Do we really know his height? It's all projection and perspective.
I thought so too at first, but I made sure to look for it when I saw again. He definitely moves both his hands after he falls down. I'm pretty sure it's still attached.I'm not completely certain though.
The scene itself happened really quickly, but I'm fairly certain that his hand got cut off when she slashed upwards. He dropped his saber and everything. I remember there being the "glowing red singe" on his arm near where the saber should have been. The same effect as the trees had when they were cut down.
I'll be seeing the movie again at some point. Excited to find all of the things I missed the first time.
Its a giant galaxy... why does every character of note need to come from Tatooine?
Dr. Black Jack
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To have all the OT wreckage lying around they needed a big battle to happen around the time of RotJ and the Empire had no presence on Tatooine then; there would be no reason to fight. Plus FFS it's time to let Tatooine go.
FriendlyGoat
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To add to this, other annoying complaints are based on misunderstandings of the rules and the lore. "Why aren't there Bothans in Rogue One?!!"
(hint: the line is from Return of the Jedi, not A New Hope
)Spiritreaver
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Oh I totally forgot the shot where Maz(?) hands Luke's saber to a woman(Leia?) never happened. That shot was in like every trailer.
CD'S BAR
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For all JJ was conscious of of NOT doing that Lucas did in the PT, he gave us a villain just like Anakin. A whiny asshole. Anakin done right imo would've been young but mature for his age. Someone that seems somewhat noble and justified in his dark side allure so that the audience would have to think twice about whether or not they'd do the same.
But a lot of people seem to like the direction they went so to each his own I guess.
Not if Snoke is Darth Plagueis. Plagueis was described as a Muun in the books, I believe and this is what he supposedly looked like according to the image on wookiepedia.
I'm of the belief Snoke is Plagueis but I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't turn out to be the case or if they changed his species.
I was expecting someone from the OT to die, mostly Chewie due to Peter Mayhews unfortunately declining health. I am surprised Han bit it, then again Harrison wanted Han to die in ROTJ, so I should have expected it.
Still shocking though.
Christopher
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Would you guys like to see force ghosts in the next one when Rei becomes more of a Jedi?
Yoda - Obi Wan - Anakin - Qui Gon
or just leave them be?
Yoda - Obi Wan - Anakin - Qui Gon
or just leave them be?
SparkleMotion
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Rey is totally going to get a Darth Maul-style bo staff lightsaber.
Yeah I doubt he is really that big.
bbsting120
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I need a gif of when bb8 electrifies Finn and wiggles his arm sassy af. I would watch that endlessly on repeat
Seventy_X_Seven
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I must admit, this kind of hatred always leads me to believe that the person is just trying to be cool and regurgitate everything from Plinklett. It's bad of me to so instantly judge like that, I know, I just don't recall such hate before those reviews but eh, I wasn't really watching either.
Never personally had a problem with midichlorians. The main argument against them is that they de-mystify the force, but that's not true at all. Midichlorians are not the force, they are just "translators" between the force and their host. All midichlorians do is explain why someone like Luke can use the force but Han Solo can't. The force itself is still a huge unexplained mystery, always was.
Just came back from the movie, really liked it. Lot of similarities with a New Hope but I had fun. Characters were great in general. Han dying sucked though 
And Phasma was the biggest disappointment. Did absolutely nothing the entire movie. I guess she will be back for the next movie and I hope they do something cool with her.
And Phasma was the biggest disappointment. Did absolutely nothing the entire movie. I guess she will be back for the next movie and I hope they do something cool with her.Most of the stuff in trailers doesn't get used as per JJ Abrams signature;
- Passing over lightsaber.
- Luke monologue "The force is strong in my family..."
- This shot;
etc...etc...
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Is it worth watching this again in imax? Watched it in 3D, actually the first 3D movie I've seen..was surprised at how small the screen is.
Yeah, I thought if anyone died in this film it would be Chewie.
I don't care if Ford wanted Han to die back then or not. I mean, it's so HUGE now, this comeback, I figured they would do all in their power to keep the character alive for marketing purposes if nothing else.
I also kinda hated how he died. I mean, in theory it was fine, but you would think Han should go out in a more spectacular fashion. At the very least I wish he had a final line, something to take us back to "I know" if nothing more.
SparkleMotion
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I though Luke was going to eventually be found on Dagobah.
Did they load her up before filming? It's super distracting lol
Incendiary
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Just saw it - really liked it, but it's bugging me that it basically hit all the exact points New Hope did. Do mentors need to die in all first episodes of Star Wars trilogies now?
Starkiller base was the worst part of it. Wasn't needed, and seemed just to be there to be like "Oh, Death Star? We've got something even MORE EXTREME!"
All the new characters were great. Loved Finn, loved Rey, loved Kylo Ren. All three actors had great performances and Finn and Rey had great on-screen chemistry.
Think this is the best work Harrison Ford's done in years - for once it didn't feel like he was phoning it in.
I'm already ready for Episode 8, is it 2017 yet?
Starkiller base was the worst part of it. Wasn't needed, and seemed just to be there to be like "Oh, Death Star? We've got something even MORE EXTREME!"
All the new characters were great. Loved Finn, loved Rey, loved Kylo Ren. All three actors had great performances and Finn and Rey had great on-screen chemistry.
Think this is the best work Harrison Ford's done in years - for once it didn't feel like he was phoning it in.
I'm already ready for Episode 8, is it 2017 yet?
Fine Ham Abounds
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I dunno, it really felt like a pastiche of reused ideas and new ones, the new ones especially the characters being great, and the old ones varying from fun to eye-rollingly unnecessary.
I can't say I'm disappointed as the movie has all of the energy and heart of the originals (complete with characters seeming really friendly really quickly), but my god, the reuse goes beyond themes and callbacks straight into major plotpoints and even dialog, and it's distracting as hell to the point of making characters less believable.
I felt like if they had gone in completely unique directions, the energy and characters could have carried it anywhere they wanted to go, instead this need to be beholden to the originals hamstrings the whole thing. I'm left happy but feeling like I watched half a movie crawl through a different movie.
Strongest thing about it honestly was Kylo Ren, but I liked Rey and Finn as weird mishmashes of Luke and Han. Worst thing was the parts where the dialog fell completely flat and it felt like some junior writers had to come in because no one knew how to write something that sounded sci-fi.
Also, I had suspected the reason Ford was so happy is because JJ gave him a chance to finally kill that damn character, which is a shame because he finally started getting into it at the end.
I can't say I'm disappointed as the movie has all of the energy and heart of the originals (complete with characters seeming really friendly really quickly), but my god, the reuse goes beyond themes and callbacks straight into major plotpoints and even dialog, and it's distracting as hell to the point of making characters less believable.
I felt like if they had gone in completely unique directions, the energy and characters could have carried it anywhere they wanted to go, instead this need to be beholden to the originals hamstrings the whole thing. I'm left happy but feeling like I watched half a movie crawl through a different movie.
Strongest thing about it honestly was Kylo Ren, but I liked Rey and Finn as weird mishmashes of Luke and Han. Worst thing was the parts where the dialog fell completely flat and it felt like some junior writers had to come in because no one knew how to write something that sounded sci-fi.
Also, I had suspected the reason Ford was so happy is because JJ gave him a chance to finally kill that damn character, which is a shame because he finally started getting into it at the end.
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Happy nothing was on Tatooine. When watching I was like watch Luke be chilling on Tatooine.
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Damn Poe and Finn shippers are already all over twitter.
CrichtonKicks
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I think it's kind of a geography thing (which is silly but whatever). Tatooine is in the Outer Rim. While it isn't put across well the proximity of the action in TFA to the Republic would seem to imply that events were taken place in a more "central" part of the galaxy.
Plus the excerpts from the art book posted earlier in the thread made it clear that Jakku being desert at all was a relatively late decision in the process and several other world concepts were considered instead.
He's not a little green man, I think he would much rather have a nice locale to be a recluse in.
TriniTrin
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Boyega's performance bugged me a lot... why was he so happy go lucky... dude just got out of essentially a kidnapping and being forced to kill-prison.
That's some terrible retconning... "oh he lied so it wasn't true..."
That's some terrible retconning... "oh he lied so it wasn't true..."
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Why do people say the Plagueis thing is canon? Palpie probably made shit up to lure Anakin.
And the prequels have no inherent need in being referenced over such a big point.
And the prequels have no inherent need in being referenced over such a big point.
Chuck Norris
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Is part of the reason that the force users don't jump around flipping and shit and throwing large objects at each other because force users in general have become weaker since the fall of the Jedi ?
I mean Luke is supposed to be the most powerful user in the Galaxy? But he had basic training at best and Anakin didn't compare very favourably at all with the best Jedi. So if these two are considered the peak it mustn't be a very high bar
I mean Luke is supposed to be the most powerful user in the Galaxy? But he had basic training at best and Anakin didn't compare very favourably at all with the best Jedi. So if these two are considered the peak it mustn't be a very high bar
He could control life and death. He could have faked it.
SparkleMotion
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I'd take the planet a Force user as powerful as Yoda was able to successfully disappear on.
I think they wanted to get a lot of the callbacks out of the way in this film. I can't imagine them just hamming those along in the next two films. Maybe a few minor thing here and there, but not in the way of major plot points anymore.
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