[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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Frog-fu said:
Rey fights with a staff. Lightsabers are completely different
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This seems like an odd statement to make, honestly. WHY are lightsabers completely different from fighting with a staff when we're discussing fictional superpowered people in a universe that very obviously doesn't adhere to basic rules of physics?

Why make it more complicated than it has to be? She's good at fighting, especially with weapons. She knows how to swing a stick at someone effectively. How is that not enough for the purposes of this particular story?
 
offtopic said:
Kylo didn't appear to have any lack of energy or power for the fight. He moved just fine and as a jedi his ability to focus on technique through the pain would be unquestioned. I would buy more that he was fighting without control because of what just happened with his father...that would seem to effect a jedi more than a flesh wound.
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The wound was part of his mental instability. He was punching it, almost doubting that something so mundane as a blaster bolt could debilitate a "great warrior" like he thinks he is.
 
Scientist Supreme! said:
None of those reasons have much weight to me.
I have a simpler explanation, the film wanted her to win and so she did.
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Well, I have problems with the film too, but I think you're being purposefully obtuse. You don't have to justify that it just didn't work for you, but the film offers enough to explain it. A better question would be why was Finn able to wield it at all, but I suspect that will be answered later.

Bobby Roberts said:
Starkiller Base didn't "blow up," it turned into a sun.

I'm not sure a lot of the audience is catching that, actually. I didn't on first view, myself.
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Yeah I liked that little touch, although there's a dozen things wrong with that which I didn't let bother me :p
 
GhaleonEB said:
Something I really like in the setup here is the potential to see both the villain and hero progress greatly in their powers as the series unfolds; it's established that they're both off to get trained at the end. Kylo vs. Rey: rematch is going to be fucking amazing.
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Yup. A red queen's race. It's going to be a fantastic duet.
 
Jarmel said:
Something I really liked was that Ren's real animosity wasn't even towards Rey but Finn. Him calling Finn a traitor was an outward reflection of his own shame at backstabbing his fellow Jedi.

It was more like Ren and Finn had an emotional connection rather than Ren with Rey.
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It makes me think Finn will beat Ren- both as a symbolic act of defiance and as a return for their first fight. Rey will likely take Snoke.
 
just watched the movie

love every part of it, although the pace was too fast for me, i give imdb score 8/10

from trailer and posters i always assumed Finn would be a Jedi (or at least the one who strong with the force), so when they revealed Rey was force user, i was really surprised, love this twist

however i still hope Finn is force user, it would be great to see them against Kylo in future episodes

i don't like the idea Rey is skywalker/solo ....i prefer she is nobody, but at some point in the past has received Jedi training from Luke

also i grown up with prequel trilogy, didn't hate it and considering Revenge of The Sith are the best of all of them

that being said, i rank the episodes like this

1. Revenge of The Sith
2. The Force Awakens
3. A New Hope
4. The Phantom Menace
5. Return of The Jedi
6. Attack of The Clones
7. Empire Strikes Back
 
uceenk said:
just watched the movie

love every part of it, although the pace was too fast for me, i give imdb score 8/10

from trailer and posters i always assumed Finn would be a Jedi (or at least the one who strong with the force), so when they revealed Rey was force user, i was really surprised, love this twist

however i still hope Finn is force user, it would be great to see them against Kylo in future episodes

i don't like the idea Rey is skywalker/solo ....i prefer she is nobody, but at some point in the past has received Jedi training from Luke

also i grown up with prequel trilogy, didn't hate it and considering Revenge of The Sith are the best of all of them

that being said, i rank the episodes like this

1. Revenge of The Sith
2. The Force Awakens
3. A New Hope
4. The Phantom Menace
5. Return of The Jedi
6. Attack of The Clones
7. Empire Strikes Back
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quoted for WTF.
 
SparkleMotion said:
Ren isn't as good at what he does as he thinks he is. The movie goes out of its way to show this. He's a brat who thinks he's Vader because he has some force ability. It was only a matter of time until he got his ass kicked.
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It doesnt matter how good he think he is, he is someone who is trained by the force, and should be pretty strong, atleast the 3 most powerful force user in galaxy right now, it doesnt make sense for him to go down to people who have never use a saber before.
 
Chitown B said:
he's in like every JJ tv show. He's even the pilot who dies in the LOST pilot.
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Greg Grunberg is J.J. Abrams childhood friend. He has been in all of his movies (apart from one). He was in the party scene at the beginning of Mission: Impossible III. He had a vocal cameo as young Kirk's step-father (or whatever the relationship was) near the beginning of Star Trek. He had a vocal cameo in Super 8, where he is the star of some sitcom that can be heard on someone's TV. He was not in Star Trek Into Darkness.

Also, in the movie is Ken Leung, who was Miles Straume on Lost and Leon Tao on Person of Interest (another show J.J. Abrams produces).
 
So, Rey cant just be super sayain Jedi for the next films. What will be her hurdle/weakness?
Hate? Fear? (maybe learning details about her family or past)
Going out on a limb.
What if she evetually turns to the darkside? Not only is the movie burrowing heavily from the OT, but is also basically the story arch of Anakin again. Basically TPM. Or at least they may flirt or hint at it. Anyways pretty sure thats not a new theory. But my orginal question still stands. There has to be something.
 
diaspora said:
It makes me think Finn will beat Ren- both as a symbolic act of defiance and as a return for their first fight. Rey will likely take Snoke.
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That's what I'm thinking. Ren calling Finn a traitor was for me the most emotional aspect of that final fight. He just screamed it at Finn despite Finn being a nobody. Not to mention that huge rage fit when he found out Finn helped BB8 escaped.

That really surprised me. I was expecting it to be a Rey/Ren rivalry due to the Skywalker blood stuff but I'm starting to
wonder if there'll be a Finn/Ren showdown instead.
 
Veelk said:
Obi-wan's 'guidance' is him whispering in his ear to use the force. I'm pretty sure the movie framed it as Luke's efforts alone and Obiwan just reminded him to do it. I'm talking abilities alone, even if Luke was reminded of it, then a minute long exercise let him take a shot like that? Obiwan would have had to help a significant amount, to the point where he was basically possessing Luke, if it was actually done through his influence, because Luke's capability would have been minimal at best.
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Obiwan's guidance had a calming effect and allowed Luke to clear his mind and take the shot. Without Obiwan, he might not have made it.

Then again, he might have, considering he was already a skilled pilot who, by his own words, routinely made similar enough shots back on Tatooine in his T16.


Veelk said:
Which changes nothing about the fact that Yoda considered Luke's training complete after what could have only been hours.
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Yoda said that in Return of the Jedi - which takes place 4 years after Empire. That changes everything.

The training Yoda gave him was complete, but that didn't mean there was nothing else to learn.

Veelk said:
Going by your argument, Luke never had proficiency. If what you say is true, Obiwan guided his shot and the Empire never took him seriously enough to want to kill and Luke simply won through delay tactics that Vader allowed. So if your argument is to be believed....Luke sucked ass.
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Luke was proficient by the end of trilogy. He was not in ANH. He was making progress in Empire. He had it Jedi.

I didn't say Obiwan took the shot for him. That obviously never happened. What did happen was that Obiwan guided him before he took the shot.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
This seems like an odd statement to make, honestly. WHY are lightsabers completely different from fighting with a staff when we're discussing fictional superpowered people in a universe that very obviously doesn't adhere to basic rules of physics?

Why make it more complicated than it has to be? She's good at fighting, especially with weapons. She knows how to swing a stick at someone effectively. How is that not enough for the purposes of this particular story?
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As someone who has spent some time in martial arts and knows people who fence - yes being good with a weapon (or a great athlete or smart in general) gives you the ability to use another weapon to a certain degree but NOTHING compared to someone who has trained with that weapon. Going from never having picked up a sword to beating a jedi of some sort who has used it for years definitely defies logic.
 
uceenk said:
just watched the movie

love every part of it, although the pace was too fast for me, i give imdb score 8/10

from trailer and posters i always assumed Finn would be a Jedi (or at least the one who strong with the force), so when they revealed Rey was force user, i was really surprised, love this twist

however i still hope Finn is force user, it would be great to see them against Kylo in future episodes

i don't like the idea Rey is skywalker/solo ....i prefer she is nobody, but at some point in the past has received Jedi training from Luke

also i grown up with prequel trilogy, didn't hate it and considering Revenge of The Sith are the best of all of them

that being said, i rank the episodes like this

1. Revenge of The Sith
2. The Force Awakens
3. A New Hope
4. The Phantom Menace
5. Return of The Jedi
6. Attack of The Clones
7. Empire Strikes Back
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Holy shit dude, LoL. RoTS first?
 
CaviarMeths said:
Oh no, listen to the two people who corrected me, not me. :P

There's new books and comics that actually are canon.

But yeah, Luke is kind of a chump. But he's the best chump we got right now.
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OK, but what actually shows Luke to be a chump? I don't understand. Please, feel free to spoil these shows or books for me.

Is it because we don't see any feats of his that are impressive compared to what is portrayed in the cartoons? That's all I'm getting here. Once again, Mace Windu looks far weaker if you just look at his movie representation.
 
Cross-Section said:
We see TIEs taking off and flying away from the crumbling base in the same shot where that one officer starts freaking out about Hux abandoning them.

Wouldn't put it past Phasma to be flying one of those.
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Is this right after the scene where Han and Finn decide to cut her a break and NOT execute her by throwing her into a trash compactor as they clearly said they were definitely about to do?

Finn: "What should we do with her?"

Han: "How about we throw her in a garbage shoot? You got a trash compactor somewhere around here?"

Finn (grinning): "Yeah, we do."

Although Finn's line is said with a humorous smile, Han's line is read with a lot of contempt for Phasma. It totally came off as "Why are we still talking to this person who has directly killed countless civilians and is an accessory to murdering millions of people? Let's just execute her right now and be done with it." (Too bad he couldn't feel the same way about Ren).

All this Boba Fett fanboy stuff with her is ridiculous. Even if there was a plan for her at some point if looks like Kasdan changed his mind. Han and Finn said they were going to toss Phasma in the trash compactor and the movie gave us absolutely zero reason to believe something changed their minds. Phasma is dead.
 
16BitNova said:
The man, just killed his father. Hasn't completed his training, conflicted inside by light and dark, and bleeding out from getting shot by Chewie's bow. Not exactly in his prime. Oh and a planet was caving in on itself around them.
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Seriously chews bow is like a lazer bazooka (at least double barrel shotgun) and he got hit straight up by it. I thought it was a pretty clear handicap but some people dont want to take it into consideration I guess.

Also rey is lukes daughter search your feelings you (all) know it to be true. Ren and snoke killed her mom which is where her struggle with the dark side will stem from. I just wonder how old is rey supposed to be, 15-16? So that would put ren at around 15 when he turned?
 
The lengths people are going to bill Kylo as some unbeatable elite force warrior vs. some helpless girl power Rey fumbling through her discovery of the force is ridiculous. First off, we don't know shit to the level of training he received from Luke before shit hit the fan. Second, his character was shown to have flaws and doubts about his own powers well before the fight with Rey. Third, mother fucker was wounded from Chewey and Finn. But I guess even though Finn is a janitor strom trooper with admittedly no clue how to use things other than a blaster, because he is a dude, him striking hits is not a stretch? Rey clearly has crazy force potential, they god damn say it right in the movie. Kylo fears this potential before they even square off in a duel. Combine all of these things, and how is it not going to end up similar to what we saw? Luke is not the end all be all of Jedi's. Hell, he wasn't even born when the proper Jedi training was a thing.
 
offtopic said:
As someone who has spent some time in martial arts and knows people who fence - yes being good with a weapon (or a great athlete or smart in general) gives you the ability to use another weapon to a certain degree but NOTHING compared to someone who has trained with that weapon. Going from never having picked up a sword to beating a jedi of some sort who has used it for years definitely defies logic.
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Okay.. but this is Star Wars.

This isn't your dojo. The leap in logic you're balking at for this film series isn't more than a single hopscotch step, really.
 
Heroman said:
It doesnt matter how good he think he is, he is someone who is trained by the force, and should be pretty strong, atleast the 3 most powerful force user in galaxy right now, it doesnt make sense for him to go down to people who have never use a saber before.
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Sure it does. He was a mess mentally.
 
Settle a debate for me GAF....

At the end against Kylo Ren, when Rey closes her eyes and taps into the force, when she comes out all raw against him, she was going a little bit darkside there, wasn't she? She knows a bit how to access the Force, clearly. But it doesn't mean she knows any of the dangers about how she channels it. She was going hard on Ren. I think they wanted to put her in a position where she thinks that's what she's supposed to do, and that will make Luke all the more hesitant about moving forward with her training.
 
offtopic said:
I know some fencers and even a few years of training puts someone trained in a weapon just ridiculously ahead of someone who has never picked one up. I can buy that Rey is potentially incredibly bad-ass in the force but have a hard time imagining her beating someone in something that requires pretty specific training.
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You aren't trying to apply that level of logic to Star Wars are you? Really? Because NO film in the entire saga holds up to that scrutiny.

Let's go back to ANH where Luke, who is a good pilot but has zero combat experience, survives a direct assault on the Death Star while almost other every combat trained pilot bites it.

These films, OT included, cannot hold up to that level of scrutiny. The OT would be absolutely obliterated by the internet if released today as is.
 
16BitNova said:
The man, just killed his father. Hasn't completed his training, conflicted inside by light and dark, and bleeding out from getting shot by Chewie's bow. Not exactly in his prime. Oh and a planet was caving in on itself around them.
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I thought I would have had issues with Kylo losing before I watched the film, but with context I really bought it. The man was a physical and emotional mess against a person who was particularity gifted at melee combat in addition to having a "use the force, Luke" moment. It is questionable that Rey was able to power up like that with so little "force" experience, but I can look past it.

All in all, Kylo really worked for me.
 
Cross-Section said:
We see TIEs taking off and flying away from the crumbling base in the same shot where that one officer starts freaking out about Hux abandoning them.

Wouldn't put it past Phasma to be flying one of those.
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This is where the editing (which gets worse as the film hits the back stretch) gets problematic. There probably should have been a cutaway to her in a TIE if that was the case. Just for a second or two.

Phasma, Maz Kanata, Ren, and Hux get no exit from this film. They just drop completely off the board.

UNKAR PLUTT gets a fucking exit. Those four just disappear from the film entirely.

Heroman said:
But it been should many times that people cant stand up to jedi in a saber fight.
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When? In which movie do you see non Force-wielding saber users fighting Jedi?
 
GhaleonEB said:
Something I really like in the setup here is the potential to see both the villain and hero progress greatly in their powers as the series unfolds; it's established that they're both off to get trained at the end. Kylo vs. Rey: rematch is going to be fucking amazing.
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Somebody's going to lose a hand.
 
1. Ewoks TV movie
2. Spaceballs
3. Holiday Special
4. TROOPS
5. Force Awakens 88 second trailer
6. Empire Strikes Back
7. Victory Celebration in ROTJ
 
injurai said:
For 2. If I remember correctly In ROTJ luke can be seen putting a black glove over a raw robotic hand. I forget why or when the fake skin get's damaged though.
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During the battle at Jabba's his hand gets shot at by one of Jabba's goons.

Saw it for a second time. Binary Sunset playing when Rey force-grabs Luke's lightsaber.

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rekameohs said:
Well no shit that's the real reason she wins. But - for me personally, at least - the in-universe characterization of the two certainly justifies what happens in the duel.
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I'll have to disagree I really don't think it those. The in-universe reason is that she's powerful in the force. Ok.
I guess you don't need training or anything to beat someone with years of it. These films have shown different.
 
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