I think as long as they eliminated the Republic, that wasn't a concern. The Death Star was intended to be this watchdog over the galaxy. For the few uses they made of Starkiller Base, it seems like it would've completely wiped out all opposition.
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I think as long as they eliminated the Republic, that wasn't a concern. The Death Star was intended to be this watchdog over the galaxy. For the few uses they made of Starkiller Base, it seems like it would've completely wiped out all opposition.
Oh, I didn't mean that she was annoying. What I mean is that she became the hot-topic controversial character this time. At least for now.
Though, this whole issue may be more of a vocal minority thing. Not to say that the issues of that minority are completely unfounded though
George Oscar Bluth II
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Rey's new(ish) outfit at the end was cool.
Also the updates on classic designs were all really good.
Also the updates on classic designs were all really good.
They showed that part in a Disney Channel promo I saw on YouTube.
So yeah, I technically did get spoiled the ending.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
wut
the only time he's poorly written is in Avengers movies
I wish the Rey character was more like...
Now that's a bad strong female lead.
Ten felt like a boss character that never got hurt or could hurt. Like she was invisible.
Hell we got a full spectrum of it like Buffy or Xena.
My impression so far is that most people love the new characters and think Rey is super cool. I don't recall anyone ever caring much for JarJar.
This was totally unclear to me. It eats a damn star in order to fire. How does it do that twice? If it doesn't move then the mechanism is: it draws a star into the planet (?), fires six plasma bolts, then... drains the star back out?? Or else it travels around converting stars into plasma bolts? Maybe it's so cold because it spent like sixteen years in the deathly chill of interstellar space between firings.
Eh, i'm sure some of the concerns, including my own, will probably diminish when the other movies are released. At least now she's with Luke and in episode 8 we're gonna get proper characterisation and plot rather than just action and powers so i'm eager to see that and it's probably gonna fix a lot of things, if done right. Might actually put her in a dire situation.
Like right now she's "cool", but not really because of her character, but of her association and her powers and abilities, and I think that's what people point out a lot. It's a very surface-level type of "strong character" as she was just written immediately like that without elaboration
George Oscar Bluth II
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Yeah, I saw that too but I wasn't spoiled since I had read the leaks
Yeah I didn't get it. How many Suns are near the planet/ base
heliosRAzi
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L. Ron Hoyabembe.
I'll give you that, though. Even in the first movie, which is my favorite out of all of them, he is super competent and better than everyone else.
The Librarian
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To add to this, the whole discussion is kinda moot given that she displays a very clear flaw in the film: a strong discomfort in being a Jedi (or, rather, a force user). She runs away after her vision and discussion with Maz, and one of the reasons why Finn gets hurt is because Rey is reluctant to accept her destiny.
Female characters in the Star Wars universe are allowed to be inherently strong in the force, which Rey very obviously is. I don't understand why some have a hard time seeing that.
FlowersisBritish
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You now what, that's fair. I thought the same thing. How about this? She struggles repairing the Milenium Falcon, but finds a way through it through experimentation and tape. Or when she's piloting it in the escape she chanting "i can do this. I can do this. Oh god, I'm going to die." Something with self doubt and she overcomes it on her own. She has a bit about not being able to let go of the hope her family will come back, but that's kind of dropped all together(assumably) when she accepts the force whole heartily.
I think that Verge article did make a good point, and that(on even a subconscious level) she's going to be under a lot more scrutiny. The fact that god knows how many pages of this thread have been devoted to this debate is a good indicator of this. Ultimately, I think she's just less interesting compared to Finn and Ren. Not a bad character, just a little boring. In the future of the films, I'm not so much interested in her but the way she's going to interact with other characters.
Anyway, to try an steer away from the trodden, anyone else feel the movie had an almost perverse desire to be like "We're bigger and better than the first movie. Death star? Pfft, how about Death Planet."
CartridgeBlower
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How inept is the First Order that literally a day after learning about it, the Resistance destroys their newest death star?
In ANH, it's very much established the Resistance has been trying for a while to find a way to bring it down, and the whole movie revolves around this.
In ANH, it's very much established the Resistance has been trying for a while to find a way to bring it down, and the whole movie revolves around this.
Luke follows the "Hero's Journey/Arc."
Rey kind of just decides to suddenly give some old dude his lightsaber back. Why? Who knows because we don't know anything about her character other than the fact she was waiting for someone.
Ignatz Mouse
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Eh, Finn saved her from the Tie Fighter strafe, came up with the Poison Gas idea, and fought Ren long enough for her to wake up.
Skellig Gra
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Pretty inept it seems. Any low level commander can shut off planetary defenses without any alerts being triggered.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Pretty sure at that point she was comfortable with the force as she used it to escape. Finn getting hurt wasn't because of her not accepting her Jedi stuff.
-tetsuo-
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I generally don't even have a problem with it, but it just entirely too extreme in this. The first time she sits in the Falcon she is doing the most insane techniques and repairing and modding the ship better than Han ever had. She hadn't even been in the thing for a day. When she JMT the trooper, I was done. The most recent Cruise missile Gary Stu I have seen is Jack Reacher. In that, he at least had been a career military detective so what he was doing in the movie was in line with what a "heroic main character with movie named after him" would do.
Ignatz Mouse
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She was cajoled into it, after a bunch of people get hurt trying to saving her.
One of the feelings I got from the movie walking out was that they are leaving some things "hanging" in terms of what the overall perception most people had bout characters going forward, and will make more or less development from there. Like screen time and stuff.
Obviously the big 4 are the big 4 but in terms of presence going forward I wouldnt be surprised if some things get tweaked.
Obviously the big 4 are the big 4 but in terms of presence going forward I wouldnt be surprised if some things get tweaked.
brandonh83
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Can't agree with this so I guess we're at a standstill here. Pretty sure the vision and connection to the Force gave her that motivation.
I am not gonna complain about that because it's Star Wars, the Empire was equally stupid. Let's build an easily accessible and one shot destroy all shaft right about, here.
The whole Mary Sue-ness could actually be utilized as development point there too. I mean we had Luke grow from impatient and reckless during Yoda's training to sage in ROTJ.
Here, considering the power she attains in this movie alone, we could do the reverse. She starts out insecure and unconfident but as she keeps training with all that "perfect" power, she becomes way too confident and reckless to the point where she thinks she's untouchable.
Then, by the end of Episode 8, kick her ass whether through personally being defeated or a huge failure to save someone. In effect, teaching her a lesson.
DragonSworne
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They had an inside man. How exactly did they figure out how to blow up the death star in ANH? Hey, we are now being filmed, this is how you blow it up Luke.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Holy shit, he was in Drive? I need to rewatch that now (which I loved, and also Ex Machina).
Felt he was a bit wasted in FA, but eh, he still did the best one could with that role I suppose
Edit: oh shit, he was the neighbor! Daaamn, that dude rocks. Just disappears into his roles
Boss Doggie
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I am bothered that "gender" has to be included in that article because I've seen people call out someone being mary sue regardless of gender.Hell, we already got that in EU a lot.
The Librarian
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I expect an arc like this for her.
what did she learned from the vision tho
Discotheque
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watch inside llewyn davis for his GOAT. plus he has an impressive singing voice.
How is Han Solo a Gary/Mary Sue, dude did nothing but take L's in every movie.
toadsworth
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So how was the death star a snow planet if it was close enough to a start to siphon its energy?
For sure, it already seems they're coming at the Light/Dark aspect from a new angle with Ren talking about being tempted by the Light, rather than the other way around. I'm excited for what comes next.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
he means being related to a character even through surrogate is your usual fanfic tier self insert
"Turnipz is Goku's missing brother! Bardock's son from another Saiyan!"
That would be pretty cool. I'm expecting a lot of episode 8, as it'll probably be a mirror to ESB. And ESB did so much in showing Luke's strengths and weaknesses, his train of thought and how his brashness cost him and his friends at the end of episode 5.
Equally interesting if some of the theories of her turning "bad" gets mixed into that, or rejecting the light side and being at odds with luke but still being "good".
Skellig Gra
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Cause it looked cool for a light saber duel.
If that bothers you then you simply lack the perspective of what society can be like these days. It's a lot like asking "why does everything have to be about race?" to shut down a racial debate.
Duane Cunningham
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You know, I just remembered today that I LOVE all four new "good guy" characters. Rey, Finn, Poe and BB. Rey IS kind of a Mary Sue, but I love her. Finn is like the first cool funny guy since Han Solo but he's very different than Han because he's not the "in control" cool, he's more of a "hanging on for dear life" cool.
All of them have so much personality. Even BB8. And all of them have better and more natural dialogue than has EVER been seen in any Star Wars iteration.
All of them have so much personality. Even BB8. And all of them have better and more natural dialogue than has EVER been seen in any Star Wars iteration.
This I think is the biggest achievement of the movie. It's got me wondering and excited for what comes next.
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
To be fair, she didn't succeed the first time with the JMT, or the second, and this was after what I would consider the catalyst for her first mind stuff with Ren. I raised an eyebrow at the ship stuff too, but I think the general gist we're supposed to get is "She is super strong with teh force" her Mary Sueness is supposed to be foreshadowing rather than plot convienence. Makes more sense since all the lightsaber promo stuff was with Finn.
It's total nonsense. The Republic maintains a standing military but instead of deploying it against the First Order they... fund a ragtag little Leia squad that doesn't even have a capital ship to its name (?). But the First Order is big enough to build a planet-sized weapon system so, like, maybe the Republic should fucking get involved directly.
Yeah it's an interesting take on it. Especially his dialogue with Vaders helmet, asking him for more willpower when Vader himself gave back into the light.
toadsworth
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Thats true, that fight was badass.
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