PlayStation 4 hits 35.9 million sold through to end users

The Artisan said:
If you read the first part of the post you quoted you'd see I essentially said I was being foolish for still thinking the xbone has any power advantage that isn't negligible. But yes, they are genuine questions and no I'm not trying to be difficult.

I think xbone is dope although I've contemplated getting one I've never owned an xbox. I don't see how this makes me a loyalist.

Awesome. It'd be cool if sony did an announcement to give NA numbers too to gain some perspective on n.a vs whole world userbase, but maybe zhuge will write about it on his blog.

Iirc, when mS said first to 10 they meant 10 in the u.s, which sony beat them in as well.
shit, yeah I meant .5 tflops, sorry.

Evolution studios like many devs aimed at 60 first and settled with 30. Curiously, do the gt games usually go for 60 fps too? If they do, I'm hoping polyphony can pull that off without having to sacrifice their visual target for the graphics
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To put it simply

XB1
1.310 TF GPU (12 CUs)
768 Shaders
48 Texture units
16 ROPS
2 ACE/CE/ 16 queues

PS4
1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs)
1152 Shaders
72 Texture units
32 ROPS
8 ACE/64 queues
 
FF Seraphim said:
WTF... am I being trolled? Are we seriously taking into consideration that the US and Russia decided to work with each other in the 60s up to today and lie about this?

I wonder what will happen when the PS4 hits 40 million, will be start saying the world is flat?
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Okay I laughed.

Well done Playstation. Awesome effort, can't wait to see what 2016 brings.
 
On Demand said:
To put it simply

XB1
1.310 TF GPU (12 CUs)
768 Shaders
48 Texture units
16 ROPS
2 ACE/CE/ 16 queues

PS4
1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs)
1152 Shaders
72 Texture units
32 ROPS
8 ACE/64 queues
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Ah yes. this brings back memories of the good ole days of spec leaks, secret sauce and insiders. so many fallen soldiers, too many to list.

But man it was fun.
 
Squozen said:
Inflation, how does it work?

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com

(Hint: games cost less now than they did 10 years ago, adjusting for inflation)
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"Not at this scale."

(Hint: Nobody walks in to the store thinking, "Well, in 2006 dollars…")


The Artisan said:
I was asking about Ps4 sales, that's why I brought up zhuge. And speaking up zhuge, hit him up for that graph of yours. Maybe tweet.
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We'd all been discussing what the Bone was at, and you popped up and said, "9M in Oct, right?" We assumed you were participating in the active conversation since you didn't really say otherwise, hence our confusion.

Interesting. I'll admit though I'm still not sure what you mean by xbone's overhead and multi-os architecture. Either way though perhaps it would be foolish to just say xbone has any difference making hardware advantages now.
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First, I should say that I misread you and thought you were asking about the CPU, so everything I said actually applies to that. :p I was actually thinking the 53MHz wasn't right for the CPU, but thought, "Well, I guess the relevant point is that it didn't matter." ><

I've heard varying answers from different sources. Like here on GAF I've been told that Ps4's gpu and ram are in just another league than xbone's and other times I hear that te difference in power, just isn't really much of a difference.
I think Psn still sucking is a major complaint too.
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This is it in a nutshell.

The CPUs themselves are effectively identical. The Bone's is clocked a bit higher which should give it a clear, if small advantage, but see above. The "multi-OS stuff" is in reference to the fact that Bone runs an XBox OS as a virtual machine, but it's also running Windows in another VM, and there's a third OS that makes all of that happen. That creates a lot of overhead on the system that makes it less performant than PS4, even at a slightly higher clock.

While the Bone's GPU is clocked a bit higher resulting in it edging out the PS4 in some very specific benchmarks, the PS4's GPU pretty much completely outclasses it in every meaningful metric thanks to the additional compute units and ROPs. In theory, you could design a game that ran better on the Bone, but that would need to be the primary design goal of the game, overriding all other normal considerations.

Speaking of primary design goals, Microsoft's insistence that the Bone run Windows is the cause of all of it's shortcomings as a gaming device. Not only does that stuff trod directly on gaming as described above, the considerable memory requirements of Windows dictated the use of the DDR4 RAM instead of the much faster GDDR5 "required" by the system's APU. Because they were forced to use low performance RAM to ensure there was enough available for Windows to boot, they aren't able to properly feed the system's GPU, and they had to add a large data cache to the APU itself to mitigate some of the performance issues that caused. Problem was, the APU was already filled with the CPU and GPU, so the only way to make room for the cache was to hack out a third of the GPU's compute units, which is why it's so outclassed by Sony's GPU.

While MS engineers were trying to figure out how to make their new Windows box not quite so shitty at gaming, Sony engineers were customizing PS4's architecture to further improve it's GPGPU capabilities, effectively giving their developers more hardware tools rather than more hardware restrictions.


Intrigue said:
I guess for my own sanity, are you just playing difficult or are these genuine questions?

Because you are coming off as a true hard core Xbox loyalist, who do everything to refuse facts.
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To be fair to Art, there's a lot of conflicting and simply wrong information out there, and it's hard to know whom to listen to, especially when so-called industry experts often talk out of their ass.


Pathfinder said:
There's a bit of that on both sides of the fence. There are plenty of people who believe Microsoft is lying about their own sell-through numbers when they announce them as well.

Then again, there's also people who believe the moon landing was faked, 9/11 was staged by the US government, and the Holocaust never happened.

Takes all kinds.
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Apparently Marshall Faulk is one of those people.


Acquiescence said:
Everybody eats rice. He needs to be more specific.
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Eww. Not me.


Occam said:
There is no evidence for that. Simple proof that it happened: They communicated with the astronauts in real time (minus the delay caused by the speed of light) using radio, which had to come from the moon (pretty easy to pinpoint). The Soviets obviously tuned in, too, and given their status as arch enemies they would have pointed out if the source of the transmissions was terrestrial.
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Can't we just look up there and see all the crap we left laying around?


Shenmue said:
He must mean only people who eat rice steamed with water.

You know, not people who eat their rice with butter, because all white people eat rice with butter amirite?
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Nope, not even with butter.


The Artisan said:
I think xbone is dope although I've contemplated getting one I've never owned an xbox. I don't see how this makes me a loyalist.
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If you mean it's something designed to make your victims more compliant, then I agree, but since I suspect that's not what you mean, can I ask what you think is "dope" about stuff like forced parity and businesses who prioritize things like "expanding the hegemony" ahead of considerations such as the device's primary function?
 
Shenmue said:
I'm with you, rice is tough to get perfectly right, like that perfect amount of moisture and fluffiness.

Try making brown rice that shit is like rocket science. It always comes out too hard!
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Dunno what kind of rice you use. But with Uncle Bens, all you have to look for is the small holes on the top. You see that and it's done.

Brown rice I agree. Although one of my aunts knows the sorcery behind it.

Probably why your doing it wrong? It's sorcery not science. :p
 
Crimson_Gold said:
I'm almost certain Cerny is a reptilian. It explains everything.

Agent Phil too
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On Demand said:
To put it simply

XB1
1.310 TF GPU (12 CUs)
768 Shaders
48 Texture units
16 ROPS
2 ACE/CE/ 16 queues

PS4
1.84TF GPU ( 18 CUs)
1152 Shaders
72 Texture units
32 ROPS
8 ACE/64 queues
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man, the PS4 is a beast. I'm going to have to upgrade my 4 year old 7850 soon.
 
Raylan said:
BEYOND: Two Souls? It's already available for the PS4 ( &#865;° &#860;&#662; &#865;°)
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I love that game and its very tempting, like very tempting. but QD game isn't likely to hit in 2016 and everything will be much cheaper when it does.
 
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