GhostTrick
Banned
So, what I just said. Cache problem, which sucks, but didnt made accounts compromised for now.
One in many years.
Greenberg: Quantum Break is not coming to Steam
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So, what I just said. Cache problem, which sucks, but didnt made accounts compromised for now.
One in many years.
The Maverick
Member
Why handicap the game's sales potential to sell on your own marketplace? Especially with a new IP.
Atraveller
Banned
That and salty drive-bys.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
Because they're not trying to get the most sale possible with their games, what they want is to leverage their games to make you come into their ecosystem.
grosvenor_92
Member
Well I won't be buying an xbox one any time soon so I'll pass
Wowfunhappy
Member
I think this might be a bigger group of people than you think.
It certainly includes me. I don't enjoy not being able to use InjectSMAA or Fraps or nVidia profiles, and I hate DRM in general, but at the end of the day, I don't own an Xbox One and I want to play Quantum Break.
Sword Of Doom
Member
It's not about sales, it's about getting people into an ecosystem
Personally I would rather the game not be a windows Store exclusive but if that's what it takes for them to bring their exclusives to PC, then it's better than not having the option to play it since I don't own an XB1. If Microsoft starts paying publishers to make multi platform games Windows Store exclusive on PC, that's when it will be a big problem for me.
pixellated_man
Member
Erm, that qoute you highlighted was a silly attempt at sarcasm. AHA Lambda did not actually write that..the poster for whatever reason known to him decided to make something up to put across his misguided understanding of what this thread is all about.
So no, there is no loyalty to a distribution platform going on. Just people airing their legitimate concerns about how MS is going against many of the things that pc gamers value the most about pc gaming.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Of course! If they want to compete against Steam they can't just throw their games there.
PC players have multiple choices: Origin, Steam, MS App Store, and so on... and variety / competition is extremely important for PC, that is not an Valve platform.
It's sad that MS gaming apps doesn't support said features, but, as long as it is a good port, at least gamers that own an capable PC can play the damn games!
PC players have multiple choices: Origin, Steam, MS App Store, and so on... and variety / competition is extremely important for PC, that is not an Valve platform.
It's sad that MS gaming apps doesn't support said features, but, as long as it is a good port, at least gamers that own an capable PC can play the damn games!
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Bullshit. Don't even trust Greenberg for even directions.
Maybe, you and I can only speculate, but those PC requirements really don't help, not to mention the Windows 10 store not having the same broad appeal that Steam has earned as well, and Windows 10 is still early in it's life so adoption is still on the low side.
When the majority of gamers have either integrated GPU's or well below minimum requirements it really does make me think that potentially big group is quite small.
Source: http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
GhostTrick
Banned
It's hardly competition when we're talking about a locked out appstore, where its the only place to buy their games at their price.
And well... Its not like Microsoft already tried. And... It ended up with a dead service where people lost their games.
You know what is the only way to play and download your GFWL games ? Steam. How ironic when you think of it. And there's still people to defend Microsoft on that.
Maybe this guy wants to have his game playable ib 5 years. Worked out pretty well for those who bought their GFWL games on Steam and not on Microsoft marketplace. If you're not aware, its not possible to download your GFWL purchase from the market anymore.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Perhaps, but the system requirements wouldn't be any lower if the game was available on Steam.
Anyway, quite frankly, I'm not sure Microsoft cares how well the game sells on PC--or at least, they don't care if it would sell better on Steam. They just want to get as many people to use the Windows Store as possible, and they're hoping this game will help do that.
That's why the game isn't coming to Steam. Literally the only reason this PC port exists is to push the Windows Store.
Edit: And I think it's a losing battle, by the way. Go read some of the recent articles on how well the Mac App Store is doing. Hint: not well.
Although I do think it has a better chance of success than, say, Origin. THAT has been a losing battle since Day 1, and I don't understand why EA is still trying.
YuriLowell
Member
Looks like I'm not buying it.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
What the....
Please take a few seconds to read my old post as to why "we PC Gamers" like Steam so much:
Have you seen the new Window's store? Has mobile intergration. Steam is stickly computet platform which is not good for business.
GhostTrick
Banned
I didn't read the entire thread but I get the sentiment that this is another one of those threads where people are trying to figure out why other people are pissed a game isn't coming to Steam.
Here's the deal: EA, Microsoft, and Ubisoft have every right to compete with Valve. The problem Steam fans have is that Valve's competition needs to actually compete, and isn't right now.
Origin has gotten itself to a point where it's functional and inoffensive, but still lacks a ton of functionality compared to Steam. I haven't used UPlay in a while so I don't know how far it's come, but circa 2013 installing Splinter Cell felt like installing a DVD-ROM game circa 2006. I haven't used the Windows Store in any significant capacity but the complaints I'm reading in this thread over it are pretty damning.
It would be nice if we had some legitimate PC digital distribution platform competition going on. Right now though it's pretty much separated between Steam and the services we have to use because they keep games locked away from Steam. Of the latter group, Blizzard with Battle.net is pretty much the only one people don't complain about (maybe LoL's service too) because nearly all of Blizzard's business is PC gaming, so it has to actually invest in that audience. Steam's only other really legitimate "competitors" right now have legitimate unique selling points: GOG and its refusal to use DRM along with specializing in old school games before Steam get's them, and those otaku stores that sell PC games Valve won't sell uncensored. EA, Ubisoft, and Microsoft on the other hand don't seem to be as in-tune with the needs of PC users, perhaps because their attentions and resources are split between them and console users. PC users don't trust Microsoft in particular anymore because of its past broken promises. Over the last decade or so Microsoft has really only kept doing the absolute minimum it needs to do to keep PC gamers on Windows -- keep advancing DirectX.
There's also the deal with people wanting their games launched through one client to keep things organized. Competitors selling their games on each other's services while letting each service's umbrella features differentiate them would be a good way to go. You can launch games from anywhere else through the Steam client (except Windows 10 games which, again, is part of the problem), EA sells its games on the UPlay store, Ubisoft still sells UPlay games on Steam, GOG just let's you run games anywhere, and a ton of other stores just sell Steam keys.
Because tinkering is the entire point of gaming on Windows. The entire advantage of PC gaming is that it gives users the freedom to run games however they want. Without that, you may as well run the software on a console or a phone. This is what Microsoft seems to not get with its app-oriented push with Windows 8 and 10.
Microsoft needs to realize the reason people still use Windows in the face of Mac OS is because it let's users do more, even if that makes it a bit more complex. It's the power user's operating system, and in every sector I believe there always needs to be at least one power user option. Making things more accessible is fine, but you have to balance that with maintaining the freedom that is, really, the backbone of why Windows is relevant today. I think Microsoft kind of realized that when it brought back the desktop and start menu for Windows 10 -- remembering that desktop users want an actual desktop interface, but doesn't seem to totally get it with Windows apps. Valve on the other hand seems to have a near perfect grasp on that balance. The entire mission of Steam has been to make PC gaming more accessible while retaining all the advantages of PC gaming. Microsoft seems to be stuck making PC use more accessible by turning it into the smartphone experience.
Here's the deal: EA, Microsoft, and Ubisoft have every right to compete with Valve. The problem Steam fans have is that Valve's competition needs to actually compete, and isn't right now.
Origin has gotten itself to a point where it's functional and inoffensive, but still lacks a ton of functionality compared to Steam. I haven't used UPlay in a while so I don't know how far it's come, but circa 2013 installing Splinter Cell felt like installing a DVD-ROM game circa 2006. I haven't used the Windows Store in any significant capacity but the complaints I'm reading in this thread over it are pretty damning.
It would be nice if we had some legitimate PC digital distribution platform competition going on. Right now though it's pretty much separated between Steam and the services we have to use because they keep games locked away from Steam. Of the latter group, Blizzard with Battle.net is pretty much the only one people don't complain about (maybe LoL's service too) because nearly all of Blizzard's business is PC gaming, so it has to actually invest in that audience. Steam's only other really legitimate "competitors" right now have legitimate unique selling points: GOG and its refusal to use DRM along with specializing in old school games before Steam get's them, and those otaku stores that sell PC games Valve won't sell uncensored. EA, Ubisoft, and Microsoft on the other hand don't seem to be as in-tune with the needs of PC users, perhaps because their attentions and resources are split between them and console users. PC users don't trust Microsoft in particular anymore because of its past broken promises. Over the last decade or so Microsoft has really only kept doing the absolute minimum it needs to do to keep PC gamers on Windows -- keep advancing DirectX.
There's also the deal with people wanting their games launched through one client to keep things organized. Competitors selling their games on each other's services while letting each service's umbrella features differentiate them would be a good way to go. You can launch games from anywhere else through the Steam client (except Windows 10 games which, again, is part of the problem), EA sells its games on the UPlay store, Ubisoft still sells UPlay games on Steam, GOG just let's you run games anywhere, and a ton of other stores just sell Steam keys.
Because tinkering is the entire point of gaming on Windows. The entire advantage of PC gaming is that it gives users the freedom to run games however they want. Without that, you may as well run the software on a console or a phone. This is what Microsoft seems to not get with its app-oriented push with Windows 8 and 10.
Microsoft needs to realize the reason people still use Windows in the face of Mac OS is because it let's users do more, even if that makes it a bit more complex. It's the power user's operating system, and in every sector I believe there always needs to be at least one power user option. Making things more accessible is fine, but you have to balance that with maintaining the freedom that is, really, the backbone of why Windows is relevant today. I think Microsoft kind of realized that when it brought back the desktop and start menu for Windows 10 -- remembering that desktop users want an actual desktop interface, but doesn't seem to totally get it with Windows apps. Valve on the other hand seems to have a near perfect grasp on that balance. The entire mission of Steam has been to make PC gaming more accessible while retaining all the advantages of PC gaming. Microsoft seems to be stuck making PC use more accessible by turning it into the smartphone experience.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
Steam is available on Windows, OS X and Linux.
pixellated_man
Member
I feel sorry for Durante and the rest who have repeatedly articulated the very legitimate issues they have with Microsofts windows games initiative only to have people popping up every few minutes to paint them as some sort of 'entitled' whiners.
The MS defense force are very active today it seems.
The MS defense force are very active today it seems.
It has achievements too which is awesome. The fact that I don't need to buy a $350 console to play these games is awesome to me. I don't need fraps, or injectors. Just allow me to change some video and audio settings (the usual, AA, resolution, texture detail, etc) and I'm good.
I never thought I would see major first and second party IP from Xbox come to PC and being able to use my Xbox account is good for the gamerscore fan in me.
To each their own I guess.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
And..
Did you just contradict yourself? Or maybe I'm misinterpreting it? Sorry if that's the case
Steam is the only one that allows tinkering of files.
Window's 10 store is a shared platform with mobile. You got an account for your phone, tablets, PC, Console. Steam is only on computer. If Steam does mobile, maybe they will have a market outside of diehard gaming. When more content like AAA games show up on the W10 store, the more compatible it will become for more ms multiplatforms.
Some PC gamers entitlement is just embarrassing. Don't buy it if you hate that digital store so much.
You do make a fair point, but there are a lot of pro of it being on Steam. Less restrictive, better support, knowing it won't potentially shut down like GFWL just recently did, steam reaches are broader audience, there are more people with better hardware that are willing to buy it on Steam rather than another windows store. Then again, I could be wrong. I have no clue.
If people want to play it then by all means, I hope people don't just think we are telling others DON'T DO IT, BECAUSE FUCK MICROSOFT. There are a list of reasons, and it could potentially setup a bad precedent in the future for whatever Microsoft has planned. Hell, I remember when there was consideration to make GFWL requiring a fee on PC, like they did for Xbox Live and people were just told them to fuck off. It's possible to make changes for the better good of all gamers. I just really am hoping that this doesn't set a precedent where we all get fucked in the end and by then it's too late - I'm not trying to fear monger either just being realistic of where this may all end up one day knowing Microsoft's storied past.
Where is that one post by a NeoGAF member who posted all the times that Microsoft said they would start caring for PC?
EDIT: Found it:
I put in the latest bullshit.
Steam has mobile integration as well. I use it all the time on my iPhone.
Origin and UPlay don't? I never really looked into that. I kinda just assumed they do. Mods exist for Dragon Age Inquisition. If not, I guess that's another problem with Origin and UPlay, and another reason Steam is so far ahead.
Bornstellar
Member
The irony of people saying the Windows 10 store is full of trash when championing Steam.
I have a question, do you use Outlook for email? If so, you automatically have an account where you can keep all your games. What the hell is the big deal? You want to browse on that sorry excuse of a Steam UI?
GhostTrick
Banned
Sure, its embarassing to wish to be able to play your games 5 years later. You know what is embarassing ? Fanboys defending any shitty practices. Microsoft just stopped provide downloads to your GFWL games, and you call people "entitled".
Just WOW.
I do have an Outlook account for email. Its the same I used for my GFWL games. What the hell is the big deal ? My GFWL games disappeared. All gone. Now, you're really wondering what the hell is the big deal ?
Ironically, the "sorry excuse" as you call it allows me to play and download the GFWL titles I bought on it. Unfortunately, I made the mistake to buy some of my games on Microsoft's marketplace first.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
I think he was talking about specific mobile apps which you can't find on steam.
Just computers like I said.
So what you are saying is you want Microsoft to leave the AAA market, and just port mobile games in arm emulators to PC? Or do you think that they can get Intel to build an x86 processor to run in a phone with parity to a PC? Because it's one or the other for full competition. And neither is happening. App stores on desktops don't work, see Mac OS app store.
Or maybe Win7 gamers, want-to-play-the-game-5-years-later gamer, wants-to-use-fraps gamer etc
And yeah, steam gamers but not because of the brand but because its actually better than win store.
8-Bit Sunset
Banned
You seem to be missing the bigger picture.
FearlessBelgian
Member
Good luck to him to sell lot of copies on Windows 10 store...
I keep my money for a other game , ty Microsoft.
I keep my money for a other game , ty Microsoft.
Ah got it. My bad.
Aztechnology
Member
Alot of people are just happy to have gotten games that were thought to not be coming to PC at all.
Outside of that most people in the thread doing that are referring to "entitled" people are talking about those who also go to Origin threads and the like to complain about how Origin games need to be on Steam etc. Nobody wants our games to be restricted to the app store without .exe's and have limitations to our experiences. But the point is that Microsoft is allowed to distribute their software in any way they see fit. Yes we should be asking Windows go fix parts of their app store and move towards what we see as a more conducive environment to PC gamers. That's fine. What's not fine is saying "Steam or nothing." And that's said much more frequently than you might think.
Do those trash games come up when I search for a specific thing? Do they all have broken English 5 star ratings?
And I don't think Quantum Break is going to be the Windows 10 Store AAA gaming killer app. If Microsoft wants to make that shit matter, it needs to put the crown jewels on Windows 10: Halo, Forza, and Gears. I really don't think a huge number of people would dump their Xboxes if that happened. Some would, but the vast majority still prefer the ease of use of a console.
If Microsoft put Gears 3 on PC with horde mode on dedicated servers, I wouldn't give a shit what store it's locked to. In regard to Halo I think a lot of people would be fine with just The Master Chief Collection (working properly) on Windows.
Or better yet, how about establishing (or resurrecting?) and actually maintaining studios that build PC games -- killer apps PC gamers would actually want in the vein of Microsoft Flight Simulator or Age of Empires.
If Microsoft put Gears 3 on PC with horde mode on dedicated servers, I wouldn't give a shit what store it's locked to. In regard to Halo I think a lot of people would be fine with just The Master Chief Collection (working properly) on Windows.
Or better yet, how about establishing (or resurrecting?) and actually maintaining studios that build PC games -- killer apps PC gamers would actually want in the vein of Microsoft Flight Simulator or Age of Empires.
DarthWalden
Banned
This whole thing has been hilarious to watch unfold:
It's been a mix of People selling their xbox because all its games are being released on PC And People who are relieved they don't have an xbox because all of its games are supposedly released on PC
With
People refusing to buy these games unless it's on Steam.
Anybody who expected this game (or any future msft published titles) to launch on anything but the windows store is missing the point of this whole thing entirely.
I dont have any wierd allegiance to a game launcher and I especially don't give a shit about tinkering or modding with any of my games I also love the cross buy/cross save thing going on so this all sounds pretty great to me.
It's been a mix of People selling their xbox because all its games are being released on PC And People who are relieved they don't have an xbox because all of its games are supposedly released on PC
With
People refusing to buy these games unless it's on Steam.
Anybody who expected this game (or any future msft published titles) to launch on anything but the windows store is missing the point of this whole thing entirely.
I dont have any wierd allegiance to a game launcher and I especially don't give a shit about tinkering or modding with any of my games I also love the cross buy/cross save thing going on so this all sounds pretty great to me.
Omnii-chan
Member
Well I just sold my Xbox One and I'm on Windows 7 and don't plan to upgrade, so damn.
Looks like I'm either waiting it out or not bothering. Shame, I like Remedy's games, but I'm not keeping an Xbox One for just Forza and QB or changing my stable PC set up just to play it. Maybe a bit further into W10's life I might, or just wait for the next iteration even.
Looks like I'm either waiting it out or not bothering. Shame, I like Remedy's games, but I'm not keeping an Xbox One for just Forza and QB or changing my stable PC set up just to play it. Maybe a bit further into W10's life I might, or just wait for the next iteration even.
GhostTrick
Banned
"If you dont like, dont buy and dont say anything".
Vote with your wallet is the same a blank vote. No one knows what you voted for.
Barely. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the current Dx12 implementation. Make no mistake, microsoft has been dragged, it hasn't been pushing innovation in DirectX since 10.