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[Dangansona]

As I've said before in these kinds of threads, it absolutely terrifies me how negative most Bernie supporters are regarding who they will vote for if Bernie loses the nomination. I've seen everything from voting for Trump, to not voting, to writing in Bernie, etc...

I haven't met a single person who supports Hillary that has said they will not vote for Bernie if he beats Hillary for the nomination.

This is scary. And it's a very, very bad sign of what could happen in November. I really hope people remember to vote for the greater good no matter what, even if your chosen candidate doesn't win the nomination. It could legitimately have dire consequences if you don't and Trump manages to win.

As I've said before in these kinds of threads, it absolutely terrifies me how negative most Bernie supporters are regarding who they will vote for if Bernie loses the nomination. I've seen everything from voting for Trump, to not voting, to writing in Bernie, etc...

I haven't met a single person who supports Hillary that has said they will not vote for Bernie if he beats Hillary for the nomination.

This is scary. And it's a very, very bad sign of what could happen in November. I really hope people remember to vote for the greater good no matter what, even if your chosen candidate doesn't win the nomination. It could legitimately have dire consequences if you don't and Trump manages to win.

That's because Hillary and her best bud Debbie Wasserman have been doing their best to ensure she gets the nomination. Poorly scheduled debates, one-sided questions, undoing Obama's ban on contributions from federal lobbyists/PACS, obvious media bias, lack of new voter registration pushes, ridiculous claims like he is a single issue candidate, etc. A large section of Bernie supporters like myself believe that Hillary is playing dirty, and if she gets the nomination don't want to reward that behavior by voting for her.

I probably will in the end, but I won't like it.

 

[Russ T]

this thread in a nutshell

(lol)

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this is a joke if tha'ts not clear i just think the image is hilarious/disturbing

 

[hawk2025]

Oh, i know the Democratic party is driven by big money...my surprise is that Hillary Clinton supporters, as in civilians, have largely turned into conservatives with their rhetoric in support of big money in politics, corporate checked legislation, corporate dominated trade deals, perpetual warfare and regime change...

Its chilling to see how the conversation has shifted to being a purely rightwing argument even in the party that is supposed to be the 'left'

What is chilling is how this unscientific, unsupported, vague nonsense has shifted from being a purely rightwing argument even in the party that is supposed to be to the 'left'.

Two can play this fucking stupid game of platitudes.

What does blocking free trade agreements do, when relatively much poorer countries are incapable or significantly less likely to export to the US?

They will go hungry. People will starve and die if trade barriers are raised.

How can you rally against the plight of poor people in country A, but not worry about country B?


Your No True Scotsman nonsense is completely transparent. There's nothing to deflect, because you've produced no substance.

 

[Inuhanyou]

No, it will absolutely be their fault. Voting is a civic duty, as far as I'm concerned, and if you don't go out and vote, you can go fuck yourself.

And what about those of us who write Bernie in just for a show of support to him? Do i get to fuck myself because i don't vote for your corperatist candidate?

I expect a lot of people are going to do it, and those votes are definitely not going to go to her.

It feels more like this argument of 'you better vote!' is not about any real viewpoint on 'civic duties' and more about being frustrated people are resolving to not vote for the candidate you want to see win specifically.

 

[MIMIC]

I'll try. It sounds like you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Have you ever donated to a campaign before?

When you donate, you have to list your employer. People sift through that and apply broad categories to write shitty articles about X dollars being from "an industry", when it is really from employees of companies related to that industry. $146,000 in aggregate from a few hundred employees that vaguely belong in a huge industry ain't buying shit. I donated to Bernie, but saying he is bought buy my industry as a result is completely and utterly laughable to the point where I can't imagine them saying it with a straight face. It is purely hypocritical BS when people use this as a line of attack.

This is a completely inaccurate portrayal of who Hillary is getting her money from.

Link from the article

The figures don’t include the third-quarter contributions, which were filed with the Federal Election Commission on Thursday. They represent mostly individual donors affiliated with the pharmaceutical industry, as well as some political action committee money.

The donors also include two senior executives of a company that recently imposed a massive price increase on one of its drugs.

[...]

At the same time, she has accepted significant contributions from individual donors. She received contributions, for example, from two executives at Jazz Pharmaceuticals, which raised the price of a drug used to treat sleep disorders by more than 800 percent, from roughly $2 to $19 a pill.

The guy who sweeps the floor at the company, fine. But a senior executive? C'mon.

 

[SneakersSO]

No, it will absolutely be their fault. Voting is a civic duty, as far as I'm concerned, and if you don't go out and vote, you can go fuck yourself.

I fully intend on voting on GE day. For Jill Stein, and thats only if Bernie tells his supporters to go & vote for Hillary. Otherwise, i'll be filling in Bernie's name anyway.

 

[Russ T]

And what about those of us who write Bernie in just for a show of support to him? Do i get to fuck myself because i don't vote for your corperatist candidate?

I expect a lot of people are going to do it, and those votes are definitely not going to go to her.

It feels more like this argument of 'you better vote!' is not about any real viewpoint on 'civic duties' and more about being frustrated people are resolving to not vote for the candidate you want to see win specifically.

(I already asked Feep that question and Feep is okay with write-ins.)

Chill, friends! Everybody chill!!! I know politics is a heated thing, but we can be civil!

 

[Tesseract]

I will masacre you, I wheel faulk hugh ahp

 

[SneakersSO]

And what about those of us who write Bernie in just for a show of support to him? Do i get to fuck myself because i don't vote for your corperatist candidate?

I expect a lot of people are going to do it, and those votes are definitely not going to go to her.

It feels more like this argument of 'you better vote!' is not about any real viewpoint on 'civic duties' and more about being frustrated people are resolving to not vote for the candidate you want to see win specifically.

I think its also this idea that a lot of Democrats nowadays identify so strongly with that political label, that they feel the Other Side must be defeated at all costs, and trust the GOP winning as a worldwide doomsday scenario. I'm not gonna vote republican, but what the hell am I gonna do if they win? Nothing.

 

[megalowho]

And what about those of us who write Bernie in just for a show of support to him? Do i get to fuck myself because i don't vote for your corperatist candidate?

Elections are not about getting swept up in ideology, then taking your ball and going home when push comes to shove and actual consensus candidates are on the ballot. If you can only see candidates in black and white while ignoring the shades of grey they actually reside in, you have a naive view of politics and you've learned nothing from our electoral history. Voting matters, and everyone should vote.

Edit: If I wasn't being clear, I consider write-ins for national elections to be a waste of a vote. That's not doing your civic duty, that's just being petulant. Write ins and coordinated efforts during local elections are a different beast.

 

[Russ T]

I will masacre you, I wheel faulk hugh ahp

D:!

 

[TheOfficeMut]

I fully intend on voting on GE day. For Jill Stein, and thats only if Bernie tells his supporters to go & vote for Hillary. Otherwise, i'll be filling in Bernie's name anyway.

This is some really stupid shit. So suddenly the ultra-progressive Bernie Sanders is not progressive enough for you because he might ask you to do the smart thing and vote for Hillary? If he endorses her it's for a very good reason.

You just want to pick and choose what is convenient for you to stand by your ideologies without any sort of sacrifice.

Good thing people like you are in the minority and hopefully won't fuck this election. Hopefully.

 

[Neoweee]

This is a completely inaccurate portrayal of who Hillary is getting her money from.

Link from the article


The guy who sweeps the floor at the company, fine. But a senior executive? C'mon.

There's hundreds of people! Of course it will cover people from the lower level to the higher levels. In all probability it is fairly spread out across all levels of what are some very large companies.

You C'mon. Do you really think the campaign is sifting through the list of donations and assigning more importance to the donations coming from people based on how high up they are in their companies? Or are you arguing that some scattered douches slander the reputations of everybody else that works in that industry or at their companies?

 

[Hellwarden]

I dislike how Hillary is trying to paint herself as progressive.
Hillary Clinton is not progressive.

Someone who supports the death penalty, fracking, and the use of drones is not progressive. She also has flipped flopped on big things like the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

That said, I'll probably vote for her. And to be fair, even Sanders said he would continue to use drone strikes.

 

[border]

The guy who sweeps the floor at the company, fine. But a senior executive? C'mon.

How much influence do you think $5400 buys, out of a multi-million dollar campaign? Do you think that a candidate receiving those donations even bothers looking up the position of someone who donated?

What is the highest ranking position at any company that should be capable of donating to a campaign?

 

[SneakersSO]

Any poll numbers that support your theory of large amounts of people staying home? I've been under the impression that it's just a small vocal group of people yelling online. I don't think it's worth the tradeoff since Bernie seems like he would be a much weaker candidate in the GE given what we've seen from him in the primary.

Staying home because your guy lost is just salty anyway. Politics probably shouldn't be for those types since they treat it like a game.

I know a lot of people from a variety of backgrounds in what is historically a blue state that have zero intention of voting for Hillary come election day. Several pages ago, I gave examples and some stories of things I had been seeing in my own social reach. These weren't 'Bernie Bros.' by any stretch. Bernie was just the candidate who was talking about the economic issues that both affected them & they cared about. These are not people who will go to the polls on election day should he not be on the ticket, and many of them have disdain for Hillary Clinton, for a number of reasons (yes, sexism included). Again, these were mostly people who fully went out & voted for Obama back in '08 and in '12 that won't be going out this time around.

So no, its not just salty. I personally won't be voting for Hillary once she gets the nomination, and instead will be filling in either Bernie's name, or Jill Stein if Bernie tells his supporters to vote Hillary. She isn't someone I feel comfortable voting for, and neither is a republican candidate.

 

[shoplifter]

And that is why Bernie was the best shot for the democratic party in the general. There will be plenty of people who stay home in November because they don't like or are not enthused about Hillary, and that won't be their fault, it will be Hillary's fault for being a bad candidate.

This. Perhaps the DNC should have given us more than two choices instead of just putting Hillary out there as the presumptive nominee from the very beginning. This is their own doing, and I'm not going to reward them for it. I won't be staying home, but I'll be voting Green.

 

[pigeon]

It honestly makes me uncomfortable. And whenever you point this kind of thing out, it's deflection after deflection.

Because it's stupid and incorrect. What do you expect people to say? Your mischaracterization of my beliefs and policies is on point? Of course it's not. When you say "you're not a liberal" you should expect the response to be "yes I am," because it's not even an argument.

 

[excelsiorlef]

And what about those of us who write Bernie in just for a show of support to him? Do i get to fuck myself because i don't vote for your corperatist candidate?

I expect a lot of people are going to do it, and those votes are definitely not going to go to her.

It feels more like this argument of 'you better vote!' is not about any real viewpoint on 'civic duties' and more about being frustrated people are resolving to not vote for the candidate you want to see win specifically.

Every vote against the Dems helps the GOP.

You don't have to like it but you need to accept it.

 

[SneakersSO]

This is some really stupid shit. So suddenly the ultra-progressive Bernie Sanders is not progressive enough for you because he might ask you to do the smart thing and vote for Hillary? If he endorses her it's for a very good reason.

You just want to pick and choose what is convenient for you to stand by your ideologies without any sort of sacrifice.

Good thing people like you are in the minority and hopefully won't fuck this election. Hopefully.

Personally, I can't be asked to vote for Hillary cause I don't support a ton of stuff about her. HOWEVER, I know plenty of people who just do not give a fuck about this election & its slate of candidates to go & vote come November. I've been talking politics with my social circle for almost a year now in passing, non-committal context, and trying to gather an idea of where people are leaning.

Bernie is absolutely progressive enough. But I also know what sort of candidate Hillary Clinton is, and I cannot vote for her. Pure & simple. I won't be voting for a republican, but I won't be voting for Clinton. At least i'm going out & voting.

 

[LegendofLex]

I disagree, you aren't required to pick 1 of 2 candidates. I don't subscribe to voting of the lesser of 2 evils line of thinking. I've voted none of the above before. In the end your 1 vote really doesn't matter.

A vote for "none of the above" is in effect a lack of a check on some other guy's vote.

Until a third party candidate picks up tremendous steam in primary season (making them viable in the general; that is to say, do your work early and don't complain when your guy isn't a major candidate by general season), I'd say it's also just as true that a vote for anyone but either of the two front-runner candidates in the general is effectively a vote for whoever winds up winning the election.

This is not just a hypothetical moral conundrum, where you abstaining from giving your support for a particular undesirable thing but also not doing anything to directly stop it really has little practical effect on how things go. This is an election, and your vote is a quantifiable thing with a quantifiable impact on the outcome.

 

[border]

Always a relevant image....

 

[Inuhanyou]

Elections are not about getting swept up in ideology, then taking your ball and going home when push comes to shove and actual consensus candidates are on the ballot. If you can only see candidates in black and white while ignoring the shades of grey they actually reside in, you have a naive view of politics and you've learned nothing from our electoral history. Voting matters, and everyone should vote.

Edit: If I wasn't being clear, I consider write-ins for national presidential elections to be a waste of a vote. Write ins and coordinated efforts during local elections are a different beast.

"Ideology"?

So let me get this straight. Don't not vote, don't write in anyone's name, don't vote for Trump(which i would not do anyway), don't vote third party.

Basically your saying only vote for Hillary, even though she is basically a neocon in Democratic clothing, who has advocated for, and is partly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths globally(libya, iraq, Yemen and now Syria) and made our domestic population significantly more destitute while playing pattycake with the same people who crashed the global economy in 2008 and largely has no position she won't tack to in order to gain support.

Yeah...sorry, i have standards. I don't vote for people just because they have a D by their name.

 

[SneakersSO]

"Ideology"?

So let me get this straight. Don't not vote, don't write in anyone's name, don't vote for Trump(which i would not do anyway), don't vote third party.

Basically your saying only vote for Hillary, even though she is basically a neocon in Democratic clothing, who has advocated for, and is partly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths globally(libya, iraq, Yemen and now Syria) and made our domestic population significantly more destitute while playing pattycake with the same people who crashed the global economy in 2008 and largely has no position she won't tack to in order to gain support.

Yeah...sorry, i have standards. I don't vote for people just because they have a D by their name.

+1. Preach.

 

[megalowho]

Yeah...sorry, i have standards. I don't vote for people just because they have a D by their name.

Congrats on your high standards. You don't want to play the game, I get it. Maybe one day you will.

 

[shoplifter]

Congrats on your high standards. You don't want to play the game, I get it. Maybe one day you will.

"Bless your heart"

 

[Russ T]

Because it's stupid and incorrect. What do you expect people to say? Your mischaracterization of my beliefs and policies is on point? Of course it's not. When you say "you're not a liberal" you should expect the response to be "yes I am," because it's not even an argument.

I never accused you of not being a liberal.

Why are you taking your anger out on me?

"Ideology"?

So let me get this straight. Don't not vote, don't write in anyone's name, don't vote for Drumpf(which i would not do anyway), don't vote third party.

Basically your saying only vote for Hillary, even though she is basically a neocon in Democratic clothing, who has advocated for, and is partly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths globally(libya, iraq, Yemen and now Syria) and made our domestic population significantly more destitute while playing pattycake with the same people who crashed the global economy in 2008 and largely has no position she won't tack to in order to gain support.

Yeah...sorry, i have standards. I don't vote for people just because they have a D by their name.

Damn. That was savage, but you nailed it perfectly.

 

[Glorified G]

Congrats on your high standards. You don't want to play the game, I get it. Maybe one day you will.

Partisan hackery seems to be a boring game to play.

 

[SneakersSO]

Congrats on your high standards. You don't want to play the game, I get it. Maybe one day you will.

What game? It's personal standards they feel a politician should have. For many of us, we are completely opposed to what the GOP pushes forth. Ideologically so. Some of us feel the same way about the GOP, but also about some of the stuff Hillary Clinton represents as well. Is it a high-standard that not many in political office could achieve? Absolutely! Its a sad state of affairs that US politics have reached this point. But here we are.

If the GOP wins this election, it'll be because they've had record turn out for their votes, and they have a candidate that is really whipping up their base to go out & vote. Like some have said on here, us with standards, we're a minority; a drop in the bucket. We wouldn't even begin to make a difference in that sort of lead. So please, continue to alienate us while we hold onto our standards.

 

[Angelus Errare]

"Ideology"?

So let me get this straight. Don't not vote, don't write in anyone's name, don't vote for Trump(which i would not do anyway), don't vote third party.

Basically your saying only vote for Hillary, even though she is basically a neocon in Democratic clothing, who has advocated for, and is partly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths globally(libya, iraq, Yemen and now Syria) and made our domestic population significantly more destitute while playing pattycake with the same people who crashed the global economy in 2008 and largely has no position she won't tack to in order to gain support.

Yeah...sorry, i have standards. I don't vote for people just because they have a D by their name.

And by not voting at all you in essence voted for Trump. So which is worse being a Trump supporter by proxy or a Hilary supporter by default?

Regardless I respect your decision not to vote, just don't bitch about the political process for the next 4 year.

 

[excelsiorlef]

This. Perhaps the DNC should have given us more than two choices instead of just putting Hillary out there as the presumptive nominee from the very beginning. This is their own doing, and I'm not going to reward them for it. I won't be staying home, but I'll be voting Green.

Ummm people were free to run. Only Sanders chose to.

 

[border]

I never accused you of not being a liberal.

Why are you taking your anger out on me?

The post you replied in support of was No True Scotsman/"Hilary supporters are conservatives" nonsense.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

No, it will absolutely be their fault. Voting is a civic duty, as far as I'm concerned, and if you don't go out and vote, you can go fuck yourself.

I wouldn't go that far, but those that don't vote have NO RIGHT to complain about election results and policy decisions when they occur. You had a chance to participate, you chose not to for whatever asinine reason. You made you bed, now sleep in it.

 

[SneakersSO]

Ummm people were free to run. Only Sanders chose to.

Considering what Sanders has faced from the DNC, and how they completely stacked the primaries for Hillary, not to mention the full-biased support the left-leaning media has given Hillary (some of whom also contribute to her campaign), its no wonder other dems decided to sit this one out.

 

[shoplifter]

Ummm people were free to run. Only Sanders chose to.

I wonder why? The mind reels at the possibilities.

 

[hawk2025]

I'm waiting for an answer on my overly simplistic statement.

Why is it ok to starve millions of people in very poor developing countries by blocking their exports and protecting american industries?

 

[Angelus Errare]

Considering what Sanders has faced from the DNC, and how they completely stacked the primaries for Hillary, not to mention the full-biased support the left-leaning media has given Hillary (some of whom also contribute to her campaign), its no wonder other dems decided to sit this one out.

I wonder why? The mind reels at the possibilities.

Maybe they just picked the most qualified person for the job (heyooo!)

 

[SneakersSO]

And by not voting at all you in essence voted for Trump. So which is worse being a Trump supporter by proxy or a Hilary supporter by default?

Regardless I respect your decision not to vote, just don't bitch about the economy next year.

This person, and many others who share their stance, have made it clear that we will be voting; just not for Hillary. Filling in a candidate's name is still voting. It isn't some loop hole. Many of us are choosing to vote for a person we feel does represent the best interests for our nation.

Maybe they just picked the most qualified person for the job (heyooo!)

Considering some polls show Sanders being a stronger candidate against Trump than Hillary, I wouldn't be so sure.

 

[shoplifter]

Maybe they just picked the most qualified person for the job (heyooo!)

Last time I checked that was the major reason for the primary process.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

"They represent mostly individual donors affiliated with the pharmaceutical industry, as well as some political action committee money."

"The Sanders campaign said it has no problem with individual donors who work in the industry."

I'll try. It sounds like you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Have you ever donated to a campaign before?

When you donate, you have to list your employer. People sift through that and apply broad categories to write shitty articles about X dollars being from "an industry", when it is really from employees of companies related to that industry. $146,000 in aggregate from a few hundred employees that vaguely belong in a huge industry ain't buying shit. I donated to Bernie, but saying he is bought buy my industry as a result is completely and utterly laughable to the point where I can't imagine them saying it with a straight face. It is purely hypocritical BS when people use this as a line of attack.

Wow, you were prescient border. I guess I should have seen this coming though.

 

[Angelus Errare]

This person, and many others who share their stance, have made it clear that we will be voting; just not for Hillary. Filling in a candidate's name is still voting. It isn't some loop hole. Many of us are choosing to vote for a person we feel does represent the best interests for our nation.

And that's cool, I just hate this whole "we're a minority our vote doesn't really matter."

Try saying such stupidity to actual minorities.

 

[Big Green Anus]

this thread in a nutshell



(lol)

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this is a joke if tha'ts not clear i just think the image is hilarious/disturbing

Oddly attractive to be honest.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Too many people are proud of their ignorance and apathy in this thread. In the time it takes you to write these posts that probably sound really cool in your head you could be googling actual facts about the various candidates and their platforms, and making informed decisions.

Rarely if ever will there be a 100% ideal candidate because American politics unfortunately doesn't allow for it. Like it or not it is always a lesser of two evils situation, and to those most affected by those evils it just seems petty and childish to either do nothing at all or push for the greater evil out of spite because not enough people saw the light in your candidate's eyes.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I'm waiting for an answer on my overly simplistic statement.

Why is it ok to starve millions of people in very poor developing countries by blocking their exports and protecting american industries?

Why don't you answer why it's okay to deny millions of people in very poor developing countries life-saving advanced treatments because the American pharmaceutical industries want to ensure through "free-trade agreements" like the TPP that their profits are protected?

 

[Russ T]

The post you replied in support of was No True Scotsman/"Hilary supporters are conservatives" nonsense.

I read it more as criticizing the entire party by way of Hillary, which is something I agree with. Liberal in America means something different than it used to, it seems to me. Corporate interests have dug their roots into the very foundation of the government at this point. Is it wrong to question that? Is it wrong to question someone who would defend that?

Our government, and the two parties that take part in it are imperfect. One party significantly moreso, but nonetheless. I'm not happy with the current state of things, and I have no faith in Hillary to make things better.

If you think that's nonsense, then okay. I disagree.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Too many people are proud of their ignorance and apathy in this thread. In the time it takes you to write these posts that probably sound really cool in your head you could be googling actual facts about the various candidates and their platforms, and making informed decisions.

Rarely if ever will there be a 100% ideal candidate because American politics unfortunately doesn't allow for it. Like it or not it is always a lesser of two evils situation, and to those most affected by those evils it just seems petty and childish to either do nothing at all or push for the greater evil out of spite because not enough people saw the light in your candidate's eyes.

It's a privilege held exclusively for well off white folks.

Why don't you answer why it's okay to deny millions of people in very poor developing countries life-saving advanced treatments because the American pharmaceutical industries want to ensure through "free-trade agreements" like the TPP that their profits are protected?

You both are talking past each other and it's hilarious. You're passively aggressively trying to convince one another with question why their evil is less than the other.

Seriously neither Clintonites nor Bernities can look down on one another over this.

 

[SneakersSO]

And that's cool, I just hate this whole "we're a minority our vote doesn't really matter."

Try saying such stupidity to actual minorities.

I'm an actual minority. A ton of the people who comprise my social circle are all minorities. The majority of them aren't voting for Hillary. There are a number of reasons for this(go back in my posts in this very thread for some such examples). Many of them were interested in voting for Bernie, because the things he was focused on & proposing spoke directly to them. Now that the media has effectively nominated Hillary Clinton, they really don't care for it.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

It's a privilege held exclusively for well off white folks.

Some minorities are buying into this as well, unfortunately.

 

[LegendofLex]

So let me get this straight. Don't not vote, don't write in anyone's name, don't vote for Trump(which i would not do anyway), don't vote third party.

"No vote" = "vote for the winner, regardless of relative quality against the other candidate."
"Write-in" = "vote for the winner, regardless of relative quality against the other candidate."
"Vote for third party" = "vote for the winner, regardless of relative quality against the other candidate."*
"Vote against Trump" = "vote against Trump."

*Again, unless this changes in a future election and a third party actually has real support prior to the general. Interestingly, the ones who apparently most hate the political process are also the ones whose failure to participate has led to these third parties being universally weak.

My support for Bernie extends as far as my vote for him has the potential to influence the outcome of the election (that is to say, I'm voting for him in the primaries and will vote for him in the general if he gets the nom); withdrawing from politics if he doesn't get the nom would mean my deliberate denial of an opportunity to serve as a check on some other person's Trump vote (which means if Trump wins I will have contributed to his win, whether that was my intention or not).

When I say "vote for the winner," I mean by not casting a vote or by voting for a non-viable candidate you increase the relative value of others' votes, and are thereby supporting whichever candidate wins regardless of your intentions.

Which of these outcomes do you want to support?

 

[Angelus Errare]

I'm an actual minority. A ton of the people who comprise my social circle are all minorities. The majority of them aren't voting for Hillary. There are a number of reasons for this(go back in my posts in this very thread for some such examples). Many of them were interested in voting for Bernie, because the things he was focused on & proposing spoke directly to them. Now that the media has effectively nominated Hillary Clinton, they really don't care for it.

They don't sound bright tbh. The idea of not voting to me just screams immaturity and reeks of "You didn't pick what I liked so I'm taking my ball and going home." Sorry but I can't take people who cry out for change then decide not to vote at all seriously. Doubly so if they're a minority.