Bernie Sanders clarifies his statement about ghettos

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Boke1879 said:
A rich black person is more than likely worse off than a poor white person when it comes to certain situations. Look at Thabo from the Atlanta Hawks. It's why when Bernie keeps harping on income equality and tying it to racism just doesn't click with black people.
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Except a) he's mentioned several times, in several venues (including last night!) Many different ways in which racism exists independently of economics, such as police misconduct.

And b) a lot of the times when people use this as a cudgel to attack Bernie they also defend Clinton's record by saying how good Bill's presidency was for African-American incomes, when by the above logic that should be nearly irrelevant.
 
SoulUnison said:
And I have no idea how some people can't read between the lines and see that Sanders has a long, long history of standing up for the "little guy" regardless of race.
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Well it's sort of Bernie's job as a candidate to convey what he means without relying on his listeners to 'read between the lines'. If he can't do that then how do you expect him to compete in the main event?
 
I'm so confused.

Didn't Bernie hire some black folk for his campaign after BLM got up in that ass?

WHERE ARE YOUR PEOPLE BERNIE?
 
Amir0x said:
I am sorry that my belief he needs to drop out before damaging any good he's done for the "Democratic Socialist" cause is painful for you, but once again, you can either debate points I raise, or move on. If you're incapable of doing that, attacking the poster doesn't improve your position.
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I feel it's unnecessary to be passionate about a basic non-statement that applies to any Bernie thread you're in.

Rather than establishing a position you just kinda enter in threads and say "he is done" followed by "with these mistakes do you think he'll ever make it?" Like actually talk about the subject.

If you want to know my position, for example, you can look at my past posts.


LegendofLex said:
Some people have decided that the way to read someone's statement is to chop it up, reordering the way the argument was actually being constructed - as a compounding of factors that disproportionately affect black people and that hasn't had a systemically oppressive effect on white people, beginning with segregation and tracking all the way to multi-generational poverty - in such a way that their whitesplaining side can get riled up.
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That's kinda what I'm feeling. I know that's not the case for most of the people here, but it's kinda crazy to suggest that people of color don't suffer worse circumstances( ie: Police harassment, discrimination etc.) than Whites of the same/any economic level.

To the point where these communities are literally segregated.
 
royalan said:
I'm so confused.

Didn't Bernie hire some black folk for his campaign after BLM got up in that ass?

WHERE ARE YOUR PEOPLE BERNIE?
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Killer Mike is out there lying

Cornell West is shitting on Obama

Nina Simone is trying to make the best out of a bad situation.
 
This guy is the worst offender. He never shuts up about Bernie. He takes apart anything he says and makes it seem like he's as bad as Trump.

royalan said:
I'm so confused.

Didn't Bernie hire some black folk for his campaign after BLM got up in that ass?

WHERE ARE YOUR PEOPLE BERNIE?
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DON LEMON: Senator Sanders, on a personal front, what racial blind spots do you have?

SANDERS: Well, let me just very briefly tell you a story. When I was in one of my first years in Congress, I went to a meeting downtown in Washington, D.C. And I went there with another Congressman, an African-American Congressman. And then we kind of separated during the meeting. And then I saw him out later on. And he was sitting there waiting and I said, well, let's go out and get a cab. How come you didn't go out and get a cab?

He said, no, I don't get cabs in Washington, D.C. This was 20 years ago. Because he was humiliated by the fact that cabdrivers would go past him because he was black. I couldn't believe, you know, you just sit there and you say, this man did not take a cab 20 years ago in Washington, D.C. Tell you another story, I was with young people active in the Black Lives Matter movement. A young lady comes up to me and she says, you don't understand what police do in certain black communities. You don't understand the degree to which we are terrorized, and I'm not just talking about the horrible shootings that we have seen, which have got to end and we've got to hold police officers accountable, I'm just talking about every day activities where police officers are bullying people.

So to answer your question, I would say, and I think it's similar to what the secretary said, when you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto. You don't know what it's like to be poor. You don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car.

And I believe that as a nation in the year 2016, we must be firm in making it clear. We will end institutional racism and reform a broken criminal justice system.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...its_like_to_live_in_a_ghetto_and_be_poor.html
 
213372bu said:
I feel it's unnecessary to be passionate about a basic non-statement that applies to any Bernie thread you're in.

Rather than establishing a position you just kinda enter in threads and say "he is done" followed by "with these mistakes do you think he'll ever make it?" Like actually talk about the subject.

If you want to know my position, for example, you can look at my past posts.

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Don't make me show you the zillion Bernie topics in which I post hundreds (if not thousands at times) of words detailing very nuanced and specific political beliefs in regards to his campaign and what he should do. That's why you should address points: because you'll always be proven wrong otherwise. It's not difficult. Detach the character assassination, focus on the issues.
 
Silver Arrows said:
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I can't have a conversation with you if all you're going to do is reply with memes.
 
Bernie Sanders said:
"What I meant by that is, I think that many white people are not aware of the kinds of pressures and the kind of police oppression that sometimes takes place within the African-American community," Sanders said.
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Many white people are perfectly aware of police oppression towards African American,have no problem with it and seek to dismiss black people's complaints about the matter. (Fox News, Republicans)
 
Amir0x said:
Don't make me show you the zillion Bernie topics in which I post hundreds (if not thousands at times) of words detailing very nuanced and specific political beliefs in regards to his campaign and what he should do. That's why you should address points: because you'll always be proven wrong otherwise. It's not difficult. Detach the character assassination, focus on the issues.
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Great!

Now you can start your first post in this thread addressing the topic!
 
As an outsider looking in, on a scale of 1 - 10 of stupid shit said in this election campaign, I'd say this is a 2 or 3.

This thread would have me believe it's an 8.

It really does seem as soon as Bernie puts a foot wrong there are some who just wanna pile on him.

Oh well.
 
UnemployedVillain said:
What's wrong with what he said?!
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He was an old white guy saying it, which makes people (arguably justifiably) defensive because it conjures up a sense of condescending, sneering dismissal; if it were a black or hispanic guy saying it people would be nodding their heads in agreement. In fact, said person would rapidly come under fire from the right wing media for making such a statement.
 
Here's the thing.

The fact that you (and I mean that in the universal sense) don't have a problem with it doesn't mean the statement isn't a problem for some people. The fact that this is being covered by a few news sites, as well as the blow back on Twitter, means that this is a problem for some people. It's an optics problem when you consider the repudiation Bernie has received in states that are less than 83% white. It fits the narrative that Bernie is out of touch when it comes to racial issues.

So, the way a campaign deals with this is, typically, to try to clarify the issue in question not double down on the "controversial" statement to begin with. You don't always win an argument just by being unequivocally right.
 
SheSaidNo said:
While worded poorly, his comments about white people not knowing poverty are sorta true. White families that make 20,000 live in better neighborhoods than black families making 50,000.
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Just curious, how would Asian address their reverse-minority problem, if at all?
 
soul creator said:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...d_be_poor.html
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Yeah er, it seems like that "ghetto" quote was taken out of context and made to appear far more tone deaf than it was. I can't see anything wrong with what he said when you see the full context. Honestly, I'm at a complete loss.

farmerboy said:
As an outsider looking in, on a scale of 1 - 10 of stupid shit said in this election campaign, I'd say this is a 2 or 3.

This thread would have me believe it's an 8.

It really does seem as soon as Bernie puts a foot wrong there are some who just wanna pile on him.

Oh well.
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I'd even go as far as to say it's a 0, when seeing the full interview. :\
 
King Tubby said:
He was an old white guy saying it, which makes people (arguably justifiably) defensive because it conjures up a sense of condescending, sneering dismissal; if it were a black or hispanic guy were saying it people would be nodding their heads in agreement. In fact, said person would rapidly come under fire from the right wing media for making such a statement.
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You don't spend much time around black or brown people, do you
 
I think the issue with Bernie is that he sold so well his main message that no other additional message gets by. Nothing else sticks. And he just can't stop mixing this main message in everything. I have no doubt that he means well, but he's just not able to communicate well.

His campaign staff should probably forbid him to say the word "poor" for a week, like a rehab.
 
davepoobond said:
no, he's not racist. he's just not explaining any of that in his responses to these issues when they are brought up.

lack of understanding? lack of communication? pushing his platform non-stop because he always links things back to wall street and the economy?

the economy and wall street is not the only ailment of our culture, and he isn't doing a good job of showing he is very knowledgeable about these issues. to the same extent i would argue the same for foreign affairs.

he's had 10 debates and at least 6 months to get up to speed on this stuff. i haven't seen much change in his messaging. this is his job, he's a politician. who am i? why do i feel like i know more about this stuff than he does? he should be impressing me with his knowledge.
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This is a very fair point. Sanders is failing to fully and clearly communicate how and why the structure of the American economy is so core to the issues we are facing (I'd fail too, though, and would make a terrible politician, so it's hard to be too critical of him for that)

I, and probably many other of his supporters, fully agree with the idea that it really is at the core of all the issues America is facing, though.To downplay it or to say that economics aren't the central issues is essentially asking me to rethink my entire understanding of American history, culture, and social structure
 
Massive Duck said:
Oh wow lol. My bad then but from your posts I would have never guessed
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Really? What part of my posts makes you think that I'm white, other than supporting Bernie? Explain clearly how the sentiment that white people don't know what it's like to live in a ghetto or be poor in America isn't one that's been expressed by minorities in public and private for decades.
 
I'm one of the first to say that Bernie can be tone deaf but reading the quote I don't see anything wrong with what he said. It's so fucking clear what he is talking about. Watching the video, how the fuck is this news? Does he now need to qualify every statememt with some? Or imo? Come one. Really?
 
I feel like I'm missing something here. His point isn't that all black people live in ghettos, it's that white people don't live in them, even the poor white people -- they're a component of institutional racism and modern segregation.
 
farmerboy said:
As an outsider looking in, on a scale of 1 - 10 of stupid shit said in this election campaign, I'd say this is a 2 or 3.

This thread would have me believe it's an 8.

It really does seem as soon as Bernie puts a foot wrong there are some who just wanna pile on him.

Oh well.
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A lot of people are conditioned to have visceral reactions to things that sound wrong and insensitive, but aren't necessarily so.
 
Gotdatmoney said:
I'm one of the first to say that Bernie can be tone deaf but reading the quote I don't see anything wrong with what he said. It's so fucking clear what he is talking about. Watching the video, how the fuck is this news? Does he now need to qualify every statememt with some? Or imo? Come one. Really?
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Because he said the words "they don't know what it means to be poor" when referring to white people.

Because some people think he's saying that African Americans turn their communities into ghettos.
 
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