Cybrwzrd
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Fixed that for you.
Hillary:"Where was Bernie when I got healthcare in 93?" Right there, she thanked him
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Fixed that for you.
cheezcake
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Hillary is far too smart to just forget about Bernie's support for HC back then. This is another one of her statements where she full well knows that what she's saying isn't true, but she thinks the immediate optics advantage it gives her is more advantageous than the negative coverage when fact checks happen. But she miscalculated on this one, way too easy for Bernie to prove otherwise in the form if a single photo.
JadedWriter
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Not until she has to beg a room to clap for her.
I didn't even think of that til now. That's utterly brilliant.
I'll vote for Hillary if she gets the nom. (as I more or less don't have a choice) but I sure as hell don't trust her on LGBT issues. Particularly trans ones. There is criticism that can be given.
She's lied on his actual positions quite a bit, to be frank.
SenorArdilla
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They both look so young. Hillary more than Bernie, but still.
adamsappel
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I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I remember Bernie blaming himself for Hillarycare not passing, and apologizing to Bill Clinton. He said he never should have praised it, that his endorsement of it gave conservatives a Socialist boogeyman to point a finger at; that he should have railed against it as not going far enough so they couldn't have labeled it Socialist.
My google-fu isn't strong enough to find my story, since you can imagine the boolean intricacies.
Someone just showed that there's video of her thanking him in 1993:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4536221/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-1993
"I'm grateful congressman Sanders could join us here today"
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4536221/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-1993
"I'm grateful congressman Sanders could join us here today"
It's not like somebody randomly asked her "hey who stood behind you 22 years ago Hillary?" -- she deliberately made this dig to try to get at Bernie.
It's more about her laughable attempts to try to find holes in Bernie's progressive record. That's the funny/pathetic thing here.
SolarPowered
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I can't wait for Bernie to pull out a picture of him chilling with Biggie and Tupac when the California and New York primaries come up. It's gonna make Killer Mike look small time.
Mighty Chin
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I want to hear more of this kind of thinking.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Excuse me, but did you already forget that about two days ago she praised the Reagans for their "quick" response to HIV/AIDS? His years of inactivity on the matter is one of the largest points of contention and pain in the American gay rights movement.
Bernie was there when All Eyez On Me was recorded. He was in the studio man. I swear.
shinra-bansho
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So, I'll bite, was he a co-sponsor or something on the Health Security Act of the 103rd Congress i.e. Hillarycare? Did he help in the push for the bill in some way? Did he expend some amount of whatever political capital he had in some way that impacted him?
In this context, can you explain how it applies? It reads to be a clear argument that she was a pioneer on this issue and he was nowhere to be found, and is just taking it up recently.
See my post above. She thanks the people whose leadership gave to the effort, and names Bernie.
Hoho for breakfast
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I 100% believe in my head and in my heart she's a liar and a fake. This is like exhibit Z now.
It's not too late though.
It's not too late though.
Alright, lets be really clear on this: Bernie was a largely irrelevant barely second term Congressman in 1993. His "support" was meaningless, him standing next to her at a speech is in no way the same as him having any sort of impact on legislation, either its crafting or possible passage.
This was bad research on Hilary's campaign's part, but it doesn't really change the meaning of what she was saying: that she has fought for healthcare reform in the country for a very, very long time, before Bernie was ever a relevant figure.
This was bad research on Hilary's campaign's part, but it doesn't really change the meaning of what she was saying: that she has fought for healthcare reform in the country for a very, very long time, before Bernie was ever a relevant figure.
XGRaViSmOrSX
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Is that why she personally thanked him for his leadership on it both during the pictured speech and with a personal letter?
She literally praised him for trying to increase access to health care. He was a part of the whole process.
Because politicians write 10 of those letters every day. It's a nice way of saying thank you for showing up to my speech, not an actual measure of their importance or effectiveness.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I'm starting to think Bernie may be omnipresent
Vet. Your. Shit.
Seriously, HRC is frontrunner. Any word that comes out of her should've gone through two fact-checkers and three polical strategists, and for the longest time, we thought it did.
And then this comes along. Last week has been rough, man.
Seriously, HRC is frontrunner. Any word that comes out of her should've gone through two fact-checkers and three polical strategists, and for the longest time, we thought it did.
And then this comes along. Last week has been rough, man.
That's not what she said. She asked where he was back then. This isn't a comparison about whose support was more important, or who contributed more. That's getting away from what she *actually said*, which is objectively (based on a note, a photograph, and now a video) untrue. You can say she meant something else, but her actual statement about Bernie is there, including everything that contradicts it.
What is the context? The only source on this story is a single Tweet of a single sentence.
If you can find footage of the actual speech to provide context, I would be glad to watch it.
ugaboga232
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Whatever he did got himself a signed postcard but its a good point if she meant he didn't go far enough back then.
Well, it's a straight-up lie on her part. He has been focused on health-care for a long time....and was literally there with her.
Good Job Bob
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Here is a tweet with a video of both Hillary's recent statement and the vid you are linking: https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/708776725644189697
shinra-bansho
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I'm sure she went to a great many places and talked to a great many people and had a great many people standing behind her at various places while giving speeches.
I'm asking what specifically it was he contributed.
Was he part of writing the bill in some fashion? Was he courting the votes that could have gotten it through the House?
Her campaign has gotten sloppy as shit recently, but the point of the question is, what did he do for health care reform when she was significantly damaged and expended a great deal of White House and personal political capital trying to do something about it way back in 1993.
It's not, "where were you physically when I gave a speech at Dartmouth."
Although on that note it's also worth pointing out a random congressman from Vermont doesn't have the same platform to work from.
Tinfoilhatsron
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Guys you don't get it. She just misspoke again.
If you change Senator Sanders to Nancy Reagan, what she says makes perfect sense.
If you change Senator Sanders to Nancy Reagan, what she says makes perfect sense.
We can judge it based on the tweet, of course.
I don't understand how a rhetorical question about where he was in 1993 and 1994 means that he has a perception problem or is out of touch with reality.
Is there any actual clip of the comments in their entirity?
Actually,not being a rich 1%er on Wall Street, I don't qualify as someone worthy of respect and help, which is why I, as well as many are not choosing to vote her. So there's that, too.
Ziltoidia 9
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I wonder why she felt the need to do this. Is it because he is making a push recently at the states on Tuesday? I'd bet so.
you aren't the only one who thinks that.
Yeah ok, if you think her statement was an actual question as to his physical location, I don't know what to tell you.
yeah that's a bad look, don't know why she keeps hitting herself in the face like this
the auto bailout attack, the nancy reagan comment, and now this..
SlimySnake
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Lol Cersei is having a bad week. Just keep calm my queen and stay the course. You got this.
sixteen-bit
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The response from Bernie:
lmao
I'm not talking about his physical location, and I highly doubt that is what Hillary was talking about. If you think that is what I was referring to, then I don't know what to tell you.
legacyzero
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You haven't seen that expression used pretty commonly in popular culture?
Locker-Room Team Meeting
Running Back: I think we did a pretty good job, we can still win.
Quarterback: I don't know where you were when the oppenents just scored 3 unanswered touchdowns, but we're getting our ass handed to us.
It's not necessarily a way to question someone's literal presence or their motivational support, but their interpretation of prior events.
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