PPP Super Tuesday Dem polls - Clinton leads FL & NC, DEAD HEAT(!) OH/ IL/ MO
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And PoliGAF will never forgive you for it
brainchild
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Now THIS is the real news of the day!
DontBeThatGuy
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I hope his concession speech is a good one.
brainchild
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I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw him on the ballot in Minnesota.
I posted about it a few times on PoliGAF sir!
Realisim about the race (Bernie having no chance in the slightest) is unrelated who I personally side with most closely policy wise which is how I voted.
I have zero regrets about my votes. I love political analysis but that's not what I use to base my vote on.
Best name of any candidate. No contest.
brainchild
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Well it's the first time I'm hearing about it.
You've gained +20 respect points in my book for being so objective. Use it wisely
yongeandcollege
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lol
brainchild
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It really is getting out of hand now. They couldn't think of ANY thing else to call it?
The Lamonster
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It's called Mega Tuesday or Super Tuesday 2. The most delegates are up for grabs in one day second only to Super Tuesday. It's really not that crazy of a concept
MY STATE IS SUPER, TOO!
Wafflecakes
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This summer is going to be boring without weekly primaries to keep my occupied.
I am kind of enjoying this.
I am kind of enjoying this.
You should still vote. Delegates are awarded proportionally, so he'll still get some from Florida depending on what the margin is. And the more delegates he has going into the convention, the more leverage he has to influence the party, even when he doesn't get the nomination. The closer the race is, the more pressure Clinton will feel to appease his supporters.
Hey, at least the Veepstakes is coming up - that's always fun!
Daily Trump show should have you covered.
Wafflecakes
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thxnothx
cartoon_soldier
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Hillary will build a bigger delegate lead with these results, so good.
interested to see if NC being a semi-closed primary will help Sanders close that gap some
I know that early voting numbers in Mecklenburg county are up from both 2012 and 2008 but that's including both parties. however Mecklenburg county typically splits 2-1 in favor of democrats so we shall see.
I know that early voting numbers in Mecklenburg county are up from both 2012 and 2008 but that's including both parties. however Mecklenburg county typically splits 2-1 in favor of democrats so we shall see.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Wow. Did he just close a 20 point lead in Ohio down to just 5 in less than a week?
Insane. These fucking republicans posing as Independents need to stay out of our election lol. This is what we get for messing with the Republican elections.
Insane. These fucking republicans posing as Independents need to stay out of our election lol. This is what we get for messing with the Republican elections.
Calamari41
41 > 38
I think he's known from day one that he was never going to win barring a surprise Hillary perp walk. He's in this to get his message out there and fight the ollagocky until he runs out of money, which seems to be something that won't be happening any time soon.
And just a reminder, it's proportionally awarded.
Despite the MSM horserace fodder, Bernie needs lopsided wins here to make inroads into Clinton's large delegate count. Clinton needs to win or keep things close as the front leader. Who's going to do it? Stay tuned!
Abstrusity
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Well, with Sanders' run, we can see a true path to making the US a better place. His ideas have merit, although they need to be smoothed out(fewer assumptions would be nice).
What it looks to me is that, if Hillary wins the general, it'll be by playing up a few of Bernie's ideas, too. This paves the road for a progressive to run next cycle. If Hillary LOSES, the Dems could go further right, or pull back left from the center-right where they unequivocally are, at the moment. Either way, the people that simply won't vote for Hillary generally don't vote very much anyway. If the general polls are to be believe (8 months from the general? Not likely), the race would be close...but then, the Republicans haven't really been attacking Clinton, either. Oh, sure, Benghazi, or e-mails, but how many of those have shown on political ads?
Abstrusity
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A closed primary means that you need to be registered to a party. So I had to register as a Dem (I wasalready registered as a Dem) to vote in the primary elections for Democrats. A registered Independent could not vote in the Democrat primary.
Sanders needs to win by 58% in California, New York, Florida, Pennsylvania, Illinois, and Ohio to even have a chance to win the nomination. He will have to win by a huge amount in whiter states and at at least a tie in the less than white states.
I find it incredibly unlikely for him to pull it off.
I find it incredibly unlikely for him to pull it off.
Those first 3 won't go for Sanders at 58. It's over for him. I'm glad that role Sanders played in bringing progressive ideas to the table, but it time to gear up for Nov. For Obama, Democrats and the American people, the Republicans must not take the white house.
gutter_trash
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Dems should close their primairies for registered Democrats only
Well that's sort of what I was implying. The opinions of Independents and Republicans are surely irrelevant to the FL poll?
No. Pollsters dramatically shifted the weighting of their data sets after Michigan. Same idea as grading on a curve, they drastically increased the curve.
When you see massive shifts that's the reason, they were allocating demographics wrong and adjusted. A real shift in the electorate would show up more gradually.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Why?
In some States they might be interested in independent perspective. increasing amounts of people are remaining unenrolled. If anything, more should become open.
We independents do vote in the general after all.
Sure. He's basically winning (most) of the states Hillary won in the 2008 primary while Hillary is winning the states Obama won. He's winning them generally by less than Hillary beat Obama in them as well, and she's steamrolling him by bigger numbers than Obama beat her by in the rest. He's well behind the pace Hillary lost with in 2008.
Also, I think the fears of Hillary making a big center-right pivot after locking up the nomination are unfounded. The current GOP landscape gives moderates no shelter, Clinton likely already has that group in the tent. She will need to push the party platform left in an effort to subsume the Sanders' coalition, but probably not even as far left as she's been campaigning now.
Nah. Experts on neogaf are the only ones that can figure this out. Sanders is a clueless old man, really.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Honestly i think if Sanders keeps it within 200 it would be an amazing result. Obama won by 166 in 2008.
At the beginning of the campaign we heard Hillarygaf saying she would sweep everything except Vermont.
If Hillary wins, she wins. But the whole Sanders is unelectable and cant win rhetoric is dead. A huge chunk of Americans are tired of a government that doesn't represent them. Voting is how you make your voice heard.
The goal of a party is to appear open and welcoming to independents, in hopes of gaining members and/or creating a healthy base of registered independents who consistently vote for the party. You only get that by letting them participate in the process.
Also, the real secret here is that the big states that really push primaries one way or the other are almost all closed. Florida is a great example. Hillary will likely win tomorrow no matter what Sanders does in the midwest based on a massive win in a high population state with a closed primary. They give the appearance of openness without risking the party being hijacked.
A handful of opens plus the super-delegate system effectively allows the DNC to ensure they get someone elected by registered democrats while presenting themselves as open to all comers. It's political gamesmanship.
Sanders is the second most successful candidate previously declared "unelectable" this primary season, behind Trump who will likely be the GOP nominee and just in front of Ted Cruz.
Not exactly a rousing endorsement of what people vote for when they're tired of a government that doesn't' represent them.
That's a real 'democratic' thing to do.
Actually, really sums up the reason some people don't buy into partisan bullshit.
balladofwindfishes
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To be fair, primaries themselves are not meant to be truly democratic. For 100+ years, both parties just picked their candidate, the primary process is a relatively recent thing.
Although I'm hesitant to the idea, I would probably be cool with the older way of doing it if we had several political parties to choose from and something other than a first past the post system.
boiled goose
good with gravy
These days, it's in their general interest to be or at least seem democratic.
Goro Majima
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Yeah only way I see Sanders winning is in a weird nuclear bomb scenario.
If the Republicans basically steal the nomination away from Trump and then Trump runs as a third party, Sanders could also run as a third party and split the vote four ways. In that scenario I could see him winning maybe since he has a strong pull with independents.
If the Republicans basically steal the nomination away from Trump and then Trump runs as a third party, Sanders could also run as a third party and split the vote four ways. In that scenario I could see him winning maybe since he has a strong pull with independents.
Nope. No dems primary has winner take all.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Not gonna happen, but it would be insane.
Joe Shlabotnik
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It's party candidate selection. If you were to hold, say, completely open primaries in every state to select presidential candidates... you're basically having a general election.
And/or inviting all sorts of gaming / troll voting for the party candidates, which is far less in the spirit of democracy than a closed party primary.
RumblingRosco
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I can see it now: Democrats cheer as Trump announces a 3rd party bid in response to the Republican party giving Kasich the nod despite Trump's overwhelming delegate lead. The Democrats think they have it in the bag with Hilldawg as the nominee, only to find out that Sanders too is going to run as a 3rd party.
The roller-coaster of emotions would be really quite interesting.
balladofwindfishes
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You want the House to pick the president?
RustyNails
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Even if Sanders wins all 5 states tomorrow with 5 to 10 point leads, he will still lose. He needs landslides to fight Clinton's landslides in the south.
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