slavesnyder
Member
Only when iPhone morphs into a service on macbooks.
Can the Xbox become the iPhone?
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DarkConfidant
Member
No.
Maybe if it's games were as quick and easy to make like and iPhone, and if Apple managed, marketed, and manufacturer it.
Basically it would need a better brand, and the trust of the public, and not just American gamers.
iPhones don't sell to the same niche every year.
It's so cool that not only can we predict the future of a hypothetical Xbox, but also the details of pressures Sony would face in response to the hypothetical success of a hypothetical Xbox upgrade.
So, no.
But maybe it can be the next PlayStation.
Maybe if it's games were as quick and easy to make like and iPhone, and if Apple managed, marketed, and manufacturer it.
Basically it would need a better brand, and the trust of the public, and not just American gamers.
iPhones don't sell to the same niche every year.
It's so cool that not only can we predict the future of a hypothetical Xbox, but also the details of pressures Sony would face in response to the hypothetical success of a hypothetical Xbox upgrade.
So, no.
But maybe it can be the next PlayStation.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
What would the point of the Xbox be if they give it incremental upgrades and have games running at varying performance levels? Why would anyone choose that over a PC you can build at your budget and liking? Are they gonna give Xbox exclusives that they'll keep away from PC? Is it just the convenience of having it ready outta the box? It really feels like it'll be a redundant product.
Consoles are normally pretty set, without having to worry about such things.
Consoles are normally pretty set, without having to worry about such things.
VincentMatts
Member
It can but only if they do something about its price. Most people dont pay their iphones 799$. They get a plan and and pay it maybe 150-200$ when they come out. Eventually you can get it for 0$ with plan.
To have to dish out 500-600$ every year id have a problem with.
To have to dish out 500-600$ every year id have a problem with.
AnthonypUK
Member
Just like it was the next water cooler.
DangerMouse
Member
This.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Maybe it could be the next public hand dryer!
AncientDiety
Banned
lol no...phones are seen as a necessity that most people these days have. Xbox not so much.
AnthonypUK
Member
PC ports, always good arent they?
You know what one of the arguments I always use when people start campaining for low prices over specs is that we have yearly phone upgrades and many people do it.
You see how in phones they inlcude the latest technology. I feel if console gaming goes this way it can catch up with PC gaming which would only help both PC and console gaming and all of us.
Maybe not yearly with consoles. Last gen lasted about 10 years which was the longest one to date. So a good top of the line upgrade every 3 years would be good. Technology evolves fast enough that we should have this and it would be good.
That is part of why I saw the MS vision being good, but people seem to hate it. It is one of the things I hate about the gaming community. They can sometimes be so freaking cheap in supporting the hobby they love. The want the best stuff and the cheapest price. Oh well hopefully people can see the good in it more so than only the bad stuff.
You see how in phones they inlcude the latest technology. I feel if console gaming goes this way it can catch up with PC gaming which would only help both PC and console gaming and all of us.
Maybe not yearly with consoles. Last gen lasted about 10 years which was the longest one to date. So a good top of the line upgrade every 3 years would be good. Technology evolves fast enough that we should have this and it would be good.
That is part of why I saw the MS vision being good, but people seem to hate it. It is one of the things I hate about the gaming community. They can sometimes be so freaking cheap in supporting the hobby they love. The want the best stuff and the cheapest price. Oh well hopefully people can see the good in it more so than only the bad stuff.
curiouscharles
Member
games actually written for PC are very reliable.
games lazily ported to PC as an after-thought? still not terrible.
this would be the equivalent of a closed-box PC-like environment - if the hardware is iterative with incremental improvements [similar to iPhone upgrades, as an example, as per this thread], there's all sorts of potential.
i'd totally buy the upgrades, but i'm already an avid PC gamer and love upgrading. ;p
yup, every 3 years would be the sweet spot for most people methinks, although i'd be ready every two.
also agree that the gaming community can be weirdly poisonous and spiteful [esp. w/ regards to consoles], not sure why we can't all want all three console companies to succeed - they all offer different things and one doesn't need to fail for the other to succeed.
formasymphonic
Member
People are used to buy phones every year or two due to heavy subsidisation and that the monthly cost is mentally written off as the costs for calls/texts/data etc. On top of that the phones are always with them and can get heavy day in / day out use leading to wear and tear over the life time usage.
Those aren't behaviours and mindsets that apply to consoles.
I could see MS pushing for Xbox branded hardware in terms of minimum spec PCs and laptops etc, but multiple consoles that they are expecting mass market to buy each year just doesn't seem like it would work to me. (Not on the scale they are hoping for anyway).
Those aren't behaviours and mindsets that apply to consoles.
I could see MS pushing for Xbox branded hardware in terms of minimum spec PCs and laptops etc, but multiple consoles that they are expecting mass market to buy each year just doesn't seem like it would work to me. (Not on the scale they are hoping for anyway).
Funny, because some of my friends have old iPhones and they work quite well on newest iOS.
And the older phones slowing down is nothing new - the advancement in raw speed of the mobile SoCs are huge and you can't expect old ones to keep up.
I think it could work if you tier the pricing. I.E $400, $200, $100 and iterate every 3 years or so. The top end would still be cheaper than most PCs and the other two significantly so.
If you got basically 5 years of compatibility out of each box, it might not be terrible. And there would always be a ton of old games to buy, since they are infinitely backwards compatible.
I think it could work, but would be quite difficult to manage with the developers. They'd need to be pretty strict on performance targets, and there would always be concerns that the new Xbox wasn't playing the games "better enough" or that performance on the old ones was complete trash.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
I think my awful title (I swear it was placeholder!) has some confused. This isn't about the Xbox being as POPULAR as the iPhoneno console in history has approached the level of popularity of the iPhoneI'm simply questioning if they can adapt a similar iPhone/smartphone like release strategy and successfully create a closed marketplace.
It would essentially be a locked off steam machine...which when put that way sounds like a terrible idea! LOL.
It would essentially be a locked off steam machine...which when put that way sounds like a terrible idea! LOL.
yup, every 3 years would be the sweet spot for most people methinks, although i'd be ready every two.
also agree that the gaming community can be weirdly poisonous and spiteful [esp. w/ regards to consoles], not sure why we can't all want all three console companies to succeed - they all offer different things and one doesn't need to fail for the other to succeed.
Not everyone can use logic to defend the hobby they like. they have to use favoritism and other crap.
The annual (or nearly-annual) release is what Microsoft is doing with their Surface - another piece of consumer electronic hardware. And that has been reasonably successful.
So it makes sense that they'd try to push the Xbox in that direction.
And I would buy a new Xbox every two years without hesitation - assuming it did more than simply up the native resolution of AAA titles.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
A phone is a necessity for most people. An Xbox is not.
Microsoft is delusional if they think they can pump out updates every year (or every other year), and not hurt their business from oversaturation.
Microsoft is delusional if they think they can pump out updates every year (or every other year), and not hurt their business from oversaturation.
tiredheadcrab
Member
We shall see. Although in general yeah I think they could. But not every year. Not every 2 years even. Maybe 3 or 4. Whenever they feel tech has gotten better to justify it. However they need the mind share that this isnt a whole new Xbox. MS would need to communicate with the masses that this is just an upgrade to whats already out there right now, just faster. Similar to the iphone 6-6s. Your apps and games will all still be there on the system and run much faster and maybe they system will have better hardware features.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
Like instead of expecting the "Slim" edition, you're getting a better performing edition.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Streaming games as the main source of delivery is a LONG ways off. Can't imagine how bad that would suck for multiplayer games.
And you can keep it. Except at year 3 you have a choice to buy an upgraded model. Basically the same as buying the slim after 2-3 years.
shotgunbob04
Member
The culture around buying a new Apple product is much different from Xbox.
I think most people see a smartphone (the majority of Apple's sales) as an integral part of their life (work, leisure) that needs to be up-to-date, while an Xbox is a console that is supposed to last for 5+ years.
To say it a different way, Apple has conditioned its customers to prepare for a new device every year, whereas Microsoft has only released a new Xbox every 5-8 years.
So Microsoft could try releasing a new console every two years or whatever, but the average person probably won't find that acceptable.
I think for a frequent-release plan to do well would require Microsoft to not use the Xbox name, since people associate Xbox with a more traditional every-five-years type of console.
I think most people see a smartphone (the majority of Apple's sales) as an integral part of their life (work, leisure) that needs to be up-to-date, while an Xbox is a console that is supposed to last for 5+ years.
To say it a different way, Apple has conditioned its customers to prepare for a new device every year, whereas Microsoft has only released a new Xbox every 5-8 years.
So Microsoft could try releasing a new console every two years or whatever, but the average person probably won't find that acceptable.
I think for a frequent-release plan to do well would require Microsoft to not use the Xbox name, since people associate Xbox with a more traditional every-five-years type of console.
Not a chance.
Unlike Apple, xbox
- has no worldwide appeal
- has no QOL value outside of games
- is not an entry point into your social life
- is not portable/ always with you
- therefore isn't seen as a status symbol
- and thus isn't fashionable
Xbox has none of the factors that drives apple's popularity. Outside of a bunch of hardcore gamers, who'se gonna care about upgradeable hardware thats not pc? Seriously.
Unlike Apple, xbox
- has no worldwide appeal
- has no QOL value outside of games
- is not an entry point into your social life
- is not portable/ always with you
- therefore isn't seen as a status symbol
- and thus isn't fashionable
Xbox has none of the factors that drives apple's popularity. Outside of a bunch of hardcore gamers, who'se gonna care about upgradeable hardware thats not pc? Seriously.
rokkerkory
Member
Better question is windows platform going to be more like ios platform
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
What if this is Nintendo's plan too, just with a different spin? What if they both fail miserably?
The irony.
If you'd actually use a shred of logic yourself, you'd see your entire post and theory fall apart because Xbox simply isn't in any position to wield that kind of consumer interest. It's a flawed way of reasoning, filled with what-ifs and wishful thinking. Logic really never entered the equation.
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
Guess this idea isn't so crazy after all...
http://kotaku.com/sources-sony-is-working-on-a-ps4-5-1765723053
Of course it's all speculation...😎
http://kotaku.com/sources-sony-is-working-on-a-ps4-5-1765723053
Of course it's all speculation...😎