2 Super 2 Tuesday |OT| I'm Really Feeling (The Bern) (3/15, 3/22, 3/26 Contests)
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Ya, I've been making this argument from the beginning, but I'll say it again:
Thankfully we don't need the majority of Bernie supporters switching to Hillary in order to trounce the republicans.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Hillary hasn't earned my vote. I don't care if that helps another candidate.
I'm not going to vote for someone I don't like just because the internet tells me superscaryHitler Trump will win otherwise. Fear isn't a good reason to vote for someone I personally don't trust.
Basically this. I'm not a party voter, I'm a candidate voter and I live in a state that allows me to be.
I'm not going to vote for someone I don't like just because the internet tells me superscaryHitler Trump will win otherwise. Fear isn't a good reason to vote for someone I personally don't trust.
Basically this. I'm not a party voter, I'm a candidate voter and I live in a state that allows me to be.
Apparently. I need to buy a hat that says Shill because that's all I am!
"I'll let the system handle it, why should I have to vote against someone horrible??"
EatinOlives
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"As terrible and oppressive as people say he will be", meaning you can't tell that on your own?
Black Republican
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only just noticed the #StillBernie hashtag
anyways i dont see him dropping out anytime soon, shouldnt really imo. still got aways to go
anyways i dont see him dropping out anytime soon, shouldnt really imo. still got aways to go
shoplifter
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At the risk of sounding like an asshole, maybe lessons will be learned.
(I assume this means you live in a state that is solidly red or solidly blue)
How do you vote in local elections? Do you split your ballot often?
the only people who would need to learn a lesson are the people who never have (see: Bush)
ie. people who sat out elections and threw away their vote
ie. you
balladofwindfishes
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Oh, there's no risk of sounding like one. Be assured.
Whenever you have to start saying something with "I'm not a..." maybe think for a second about what you're saying.
I don't think he should either, but if he goes super negative at this point instead of healing the rift Bernie supporters are gladly hacking at, it's going to be a bad look for his legacy going forward.
He's an important voice for the left in America and needs to start acting more like a builder than a revolutionary.
EatinOlives
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You do know Sanders himself is saying to vote for the Democrat nominee because we can't have Trump, right? It's not just "the internet"
And Lol at trying to exaggerate "superscaryHitler Trump". We really gonna start doing this "he's not that bad" garbage?
Until a progressive third party has been built up as a viable presidential platform, that's exactly what you're doing.
You said yourself, you've voted green in the last three elections. And where has that gotten you today?
Oh good more mindless arguments for Accelerationism despite the fact that it's a bunk idea. Glad you aren't worried about the terrible things that could happen to women, minorities, LGBT, etc...
WAIT FOR THE PIVOT!
dave is ok
aztek is ok
If he's anything like me he just doesn't vote in elections in which he does not feel adequately informed.
When I voted in 2012 I voted on ballot measures and maybe half of the Local/State elections. I really didn't know anything about any of the Judges running for office and really don't think I had an inclination to.
Hey Hillgaf I just got a memo from the Hilldawg secret underground bunker saying the following:
"Bernie supporters (of whom there are many on the internet) seem to be super sensitive about their candidate eating shit on Tuesday. While we support the right of everyone to vote for their own candidate, we also feel like they should vote in this historic election against the idea of American fascism, isolationism, and xenophobia. In this regard, considering how sensitive they are, please treat them nicer and avoid using logical arguments when talking to them."
Sorry guys, turns out we have to be nicer to Bernie fans going forward.
Wow how completely ironic. Just keep doubling down on your holier than thou arrogance. You're doing a better job burning the bridge than Trump ever could. If only increasing the insults helped your cause.
Please keep talking down to me. I think it's making me want to vote for Hillary more.
"Lessons will be learned" is dangerously close to "why ain't they voting for their best interests".
Some Bernie fans...
"earning" is the wrong way to look at it. Vote pragmatically. Strategically use your vote
I ain't talking to you, I'm parodying this idea of "honey vs. vinegar" that has become a talking point for many Bernie supporters. Sorry if I hit too close to home.
Vote for whoever you want.
Clearly, that has yet to click with third-party voters.
Dash_Riprock
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FunkyMunkey
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if anything a politician's supporters say to you influence your vote one way or another, you honestly didn't give a fuck to begin with and it's okay to admit that. listen to their (the politician's) words
Yeah, I live in Washington (and New York before that) so it's the same deal with me on local elections. The Republicans are more liberal and sometimes the Democrats take it too far with terrible ideas (Gregoire forcing a pointless tunnel ugh).But when it comes to national politics, I still can't in good faith vote for a Republican. I mean, Massachusetts voted for Scott Brown! Mass. has a Republican govenor! These things happen.
Which is why I'm still a little skeptical of the whole "solid red/blue state... vote for whoever" argument because, even in a presidential race where it doesn't really matter, how you vote at the top of the ballot probably influences how you vote down ballot -- I'm not going to vote for Romney, then vote for a bunch of Democrat representatives that are going to try blocking his policies at every turn. In today's polarized electorate, it just doesn't make sense to do so anymore.
balladofwindfishes
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When your political idea has more in common with the Joker than anything in reality, maybe it's time to reevaluate yourself.
shoplifter
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I'm not a democrat, I haven't voted for one in 12 years. I vote for the candidate that most closely aligns with my personal beliefs, not the one that's 'kind of close to my personal beliefs that might be able to win'.
Kite
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It's his right as an American to waste his vote on Bernie or a third party. Let them be. If they were smart they'd see how the Tea Party and Trump took control but they're not that organized or far-thinking.
Leave them alone, their priorities are different. Not everyone cares as much about minorities, the LGBT community and other equal rights like the DNC. There is a disconnect, accept that fact.
Leave them alone, their priorities are different. Not everyone cares as much about minorities, the LGBT community and other equal rights like the DNC. There is a disconnect, accept that fact.
Yes, I am sure minorities, Muslims, immigrants, and the LGBT community really agree and appreciate you helping them be thrown under the bus so you can teach the DNC a "lesson".
Vote your heart in primaries, vote pragmatically in the general. That is how the system works.
I just wish instead of Hillary supporters telling people "You're stupid now step in line stupid and vote Hilary". They'd actually explain why Hilary is a good candidate instead of the only argument I have ever heard which is, "she's not Trump". You'd think that'd be good enough but maybe explain why she's good enough.
Pretty much this. many Bernie supporters are still living in the bubble he has created. As soon as it bursts is when they can see the logic of voting for Hillary. It's why the sooner he drops out the better it will be for them. Unfortunately he sounds ready to carry this to the bitter end, but hopefully the people screaming in his ear will make him realize how stupid he's being for the party and his own ideals and how he's affecting his supporters. He's been a waste of time for a while now and he's only embarrassing himself further by staying in this race when he's miles behind and his fans in the crowd are trying to shoot the front runner to make him look better. With all the damage he's done he better throw his full weight behind Hilary when he finally wakes up.
Dubbedinenglish
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Lets ignore the racists he emboldens, the racists he will appoint to his admin and courts. Let's also forget the coattails far right candidates will ride into office. Yeah fuck those minorities at risk because they didn't vote for Sanders.
Until a third party has become viable in a presidential election, it is. If you want to vote third-party and not have it go to waste, you need to help with the groundwork in building up that party first, starting at the local and state levels. Just showing up to the polls every four years to cast a symbolic vote for the Green Party or whoever else isn't a protest or a declaration of anything, it's nothing.
shoplifter
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Says you.
Which part of my post was incorrect?
If you're more influenced by your hurt feelings than actual policies that directly influence people's lives, then I don't know why the fuck you would support whoever you support.
EatinOlives
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You're mistaken in thinking this is strictly pom-pom-waving Hillary fans trying to shame you into voting for her.
I support Bernie's platform the most and continue to. I voted for him in my state primary. But when the primary season is over and if Hillary gets the nomination, I'm not gonna pretend I'm "sticking it to the establishment" by writing in a candidate or voting Green party. I know what's at stake and I know how elections work. Bernie does too, since he implores us to vote Democrat because the only other outcome is a Republican president.
And I'll listen to THAT as well, not just partake in selective hearing because what he says there is an inconvenient truth.
shoplifter
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NINETY THREE PERCENT
edit: for the record, I'm not butthurt here. I was *never* going to vote for her.
Too be fair, the Tea Party took control by taking advantage of a desperate GOP looking for ways to stem the tide of the future.
The Dems aren't close to that desperate in 2016. The best bet for someone more progressive would be to do what Dems have been doing for the last 20 years, which is trying to move the country to the left a smidgen at a time. The alternative is blowing up the establishment to make the left desperate but there's no need because we're already moving to meet the far left.
Just not fast enough for most people I guess.
No, this isn't something that is an opinion here. It's a fact.
A lot of conservatives voted Perot in 1992. Guess who it helped? Clinton.
A lot of liberals voted Nader in 2000. Who did it help? Bush.
It isn't a matter of opinion on this. It how our electoral process functions today. Not liking it doesn't make it suddenly change.
I have, multiple times across multiple threads. It get tiring so I resort to humor too.
What if someone votes Green across the ticket? Do they have the right to vote Green at the Federal level as well?
Dash_Riprock
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Thank you so much for confirming the Bernie/Ron Paul connection.
I feel so validated.
Come on man, look how deep we're into this race already. It's not that you haven't heard any pro-Hillary arguments -- of which countless have been made -- you're just not interested in hearing them.
shoplifter
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no, they're wasting their damned vote hoping for those federal matching funds. they should just get in line and vote D across the board
\/\/ to be fair, I really don't know what he would accomplish from there. It'd *maybe* give him a platform, but when half the congressional dems don't support it either, that makes it a little difficult.
TheBritishBear
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Honestly, the best case scenario would be if Bernie becomes VP and have the best of both worlds. It would be a huge plus for Clinton and still work towards at least some of Bernie's plan.
Hey! I saw one poster actually make a case. That's progress.
In all honesty the green party should be throwing all their money into local election instead of the general. They might actually get someone into office that way.
Never will happen because he is a terrible pick for VP demographically. You don't double down on two old north-eastern long time politicians. You balance the ticket. It will be someone younger for sure.
Or better yet Bernie stays in the Senate and helps Clinton push legislation through Congress.
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