• Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!

Brazil is in the Middle of a f***** Outrage right now

Status
Not open for further replies.
I am not in love ... I didn't even voted for Dilma in the first turn, I voted for PSOL.

But I am TERRIFIED of any other option that we are left if Dilma is out.
Specialy if this opens the idea for impeachment of someone who did nothing illegal, even if she didn't do a good job at being a politician this time

I mean ... Lula is still in INVESTIGATION PART at lava jato. Cunha is already investigated proved wrong and DUDE IS STILL THE SECOND IN LINE TO SUBSTITUTE HER AND NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THE FUCKING PRESIDENT OF THE CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES BEING BEYOND INVESTIGATION PART AND STILL ON THE JOB ????
The first in line of substitution is EXACTLY IN THE SAME PLACE AS LULA in lava jato .... except he didn't had 40 years of veja and globo in his ass =P

Don't worry about that. First we must fix the problem we're currently facing in the best way possible. If the next guy elected after Dilma is also corrupt or incompetent, we will need to go ahead and take him out too. It's a long and tiresome battle, but we can't just settle with the situation as it is just because "it could be worse".
 
No I am against impeachment because nothing was PROVEN of Dilma.
When something is PROVEN, they can vote impeachment. You don't impeachment someone just because you don't like how they work. This is NOT how democracy works.

But taking Lula means they will take out Dilma and and soon we have Cunha on power =P

You know this is all PT's fault along with PMDB. You chose poorly and these are the consequences.

Anyway, the market will respond a lot better with Rousseff's resignment or impeachment, things probably would calm down with Temer. Say what you want about him but he is now cleaner than Rousseff. lol

But it CAN'T CALM DOWN !

If this is about corruption it shall not calm down till EVERYONE proved corrupt is in jail =P

And why is Lula receiving 4 judge decisions in one day and Cunha is there with nothing new in months ???

There is some SERIOUS bias on this stuff and biased corruption fight is ... complicated
 
And this country is supposed to host the Olympics in five months?
1408.gif
 
But it CAN'T CALM DOWN !

If this is about corruption it shall not calm down till EVERYONE proved corrupt is in jail =P

And why is Lula receiving 4 judge decisions in one day and Cunha is there with nothing new in months ???

There is some SERIOUS bias on this stuff and biased corruption fight is ... complicated

But everyone hates Cunha.

Anyway, there is still Calheiros and Collor there. Don't ask me why. Everyone should be out.
 
I am not in love ... I didn't even voted for Dilma in the first turn, I voted for PSOL.

But I am TERRIFIED of any other option that we are left if Dilma is out.
Specialy if this opens the idea for impeachment of someone who did nothing illegal, even if she didn't do a good job at being a politician this time

I mean ... Lula is still in INVESTIGATION PART at lava jato. Cunha is already investigated proved wrong and DUDE IS STILL THE SECOND IN LINE TO SUBSTITUTE HER AND NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THE FUCKING PRESIDENT OF THE CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES BEING BEYOND INVESTIGATION PART AND STILL ON THE JOB ????
The first in line of substitution is EXACTLY IN THE SAME PLACE AS LULA in lava jato .... except he didn't had 40 years of veja and globo in his ass =P

SHE ABSOLUTELY DID ILLEGAL THINGS

THINGS WORTHY OF IMPEACHMENT

THAT'S EVEN BEFORE THE WIRETAP CALL WE LEARNED OF YESTERDAY.

"Pedalada Fiscal" is the culmination of PT philosophy. A party that was always the against the law of Fiscal Responsibility;

She absolutely did those things and the Superior Court of Finance (TCU) has already rejected her accounts for the year 2014 (and 15 if Im not mistaken).

Now with the call we learned of, we have even more crimes of responsibility that she is guilty off.

Even without all the crappy management of our economy (more than 80 billions loss in Petrobras alone) and the UNHEARD OF levels of corrpution (PROJECTS IN PETROBRAS HAD A 3-4% BRIBE TO PT AND HIS ALLIES - DONT EVEN KNOW HOW MANY MILLION/BILLIONS IN LOSSES) SHE ABSOLUTELY commited crimes worthy of impeachment.

If after all of this you still think she deserves to stay, you are the worst kind of blind person there is - A WILLING ONE.

IF YOU DONT LIKE WHO COMES AFTER, TOUGH. NO ONE DOES.

BUT SHE DESERVES TO GO. WE WILL DEAL WITH WHO COMES AFTER AFTER SHE AND THEIR DEN OF CRIMINALS GET THE FUCK OUT!!!


Sorry for the caps, but Im tired of hearing this bullshit.
 
SHE ABSOLUTELY DID ILLEGAL THINGS

THINGS WORTHY OF IMPEACHMENT

THAT'S EVEN BEFORE THE WIRETAP CALL WE LEARNED OF YESTERDAY.

"Pedalada Fiscal" is the culmination of PT philosophy. A party that was always the against the law of Fiscal Responsibility;

She absolutely did those things and the Superior Court of Finance (TCU) has already rejected her accounts for the year 2014 (and 15 if Im not mistaken).

Now with the call we learned of, we have even more crimes of responsibility that she is guilty off.

Even without all the crappy management of our economy (more than 80 billions loss in Petrobras alone) and the UNHEARD OF levels of corrpution (PROJECTS IN PETROBRAS HAD A 3-4% BRIBE TO PT AND HIS ALLIES - DONT EVEN KNOW HOW MANY MILLION/BILLIONS IN LOSSES) SHE ABSOLUTELY commited crimes worthy of impeachment.

If after all of this you still think she deserves to stay, you are the worst kind of blind person there is - A WILLING ONE.

IF YOU DONT LIKE WHO COMES AFTER, TOUGH. NO ONE DOES.

BUT SHE DESERVES TO GO. WE WILL DEAL WITH WHO COMES AFTER AFTER SHE AND THEIR DEN OF CRIMINALS GET THE FUCK OUT!!!


Sorry for the caps, but Im tired of hearing this bullshit.

I mean proven.
Received a trial.

People are focusing on putting Lula on a trial before her =P

ACTUAL TRIAL WITH JUDGES, not politicians voting thinking about their parties
 
I don't know the political situation in Brazil so I have to ask, what are the chances that this will become violent? Are there any armed factions that have gotten involved? Anyone calling for revolution? And is it possible for the ruling party to crack down on people in a brutal manner?

I imagine that they would want this over at all costs before the Olympics.
 
And this country is supposed to host the Olympics in five months?


Don't worry guys. Finding a way is our specialty.

SHE ABSOLUTELY DID ILLEGAL THINGS

THINGS WORTHY OF IMPEACHMENT

THAT'S EVEN BEFORE THE WIRETAP CALL WE LEARNED OF YESTERDAY.

"Pedalada Fiscal" is the culmination of PT philosophy. A party that was always the against the law of Fiscal Responsibility;

She absolutely did those things and the Superior Court of Finance (TCU) has already rejected her accounts for the year 2014 (and 15 if Im not mistaken).

Now with the call we learned of, we have even more crimes of responsibility that she is guilty off.

Even without all the crappy management of our economy (more than 80 billions loss in Petrobras alone) and the UNHEARD OF levels of corrpution (PROJECTS IN PETROBRAS HAD A 3-4% BRIBE TO PT AND HIS ALLIES - DONT EVEN KNOW HOW MANY MILLION/BILLIONS IN LOSSES) SHE ABSOLUTELY commited crimes worthy of impeachment.

If after all of this you still think she deserves to stay, you are the worst kind of blind person there is - A WILLING ONE.

IF YOU DONT LIKE WHO COMES AFTER, TOUGH. NO ONE DOES.

BUT SHE DESERVES TO GO. WE WILL DEAL WITH WHO COMES AFTER AFTER SHE AND THEIR DEN OF CRIMINALS GET THE FUCK OUT!!!


Sorry for the caps, but Im tired of hearing this bullshit.

If this was a serious country she would be already out.
 
I don't know the political situation in Brazil so I have to ask, what are the chances that this will become violent? Are there any armed factions that have gotten involved? Anyone calling for revolution? And is it possible for the ruling party to crack down on people in a brutal manner?

I imagine that they would want this over at all costs before the Olympics.

"I am impressed nobody died yet" chances of becoming violent

Skinheads taking pictures with the police during a "anti corruption" parade

cq5VCyw.jpg

(to be fair, skinheads are weird on brazil =P)

People are being beaten for wearing read and "looking like in favor of PT"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF5XvtdT7_Y
 
I mean proven.
Received a trial.

People are focusing on putting Lula on a trial before her =P

ACTUAL TRIAL WITH JUDGES, not politicians voting thinking about their parties

Did you not read what I wrote?

TCU in an "ACTUAL TRIAL WITH JUDGES" has already decided that she did.

TSE is dragging his ass because as always fucking politics.

Well, now she cant run anymore and hopefully the impeachment will come.
 
The lady stays, a deal will be struck with the opposition and everything will go back to business as usual. The politicians maybe corrupt but it's the civil servants and governmental workers who have been at their posts forever are the real crooks. Sadly they will still be there when the politicians have been voted out.
 
Platy must suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. PT steals the fucking country but she is completely in love with them. It's kinda sad.
They behave more like a cult. You have the illuminated, charismatic leader that can do no wrong, that is the only one capable to save all, etc. And you have the followers that will do whatever said cult leader demands, regardless of facts.
And let´s not even talk about the "But what about..." tatic.
 
They behave more like a cult. You have the illuminated, charismatic leader that can do no wrong, that is the only one capable to save all, etc. And you have the followers that will do whatever said cult leader demands, regardless os facts.

I follow a religion and you guys think we can 1) clean Brazil of corruption 2) giving it to Temer and Cunha ?
 
I don't know the political situation in Brazil so I have to ask, what are the chances that this will become violent? Are there any armed factions that have gotten involved? Anyone calling for revolution? And is it possible for the ruling party to crack down on people in a brutal manner?

I imagine that they would want this over at all costs before the Olympics.

Currently, nothing serious like that.

Of course, militants are occasionaly beating each other in some manifestations, but overall, the protests are peaceful. No one died or became severed injured.

There is no revolutionary force, no strong opposition leader, no armed faction, there is nothing like that.

But of course, in a protest with millions of people there are some radical lunatics that would call for a new dictatorship, a revolution, persecution but they are a minority and no one takes them seriously.

The problem is, this government is tiring people's patience. They are giving no fucks to what they do. They don't have shame or any sense of honor of duty. So if they remain in power there is a risk that things might go out of control.
 
I follow a religion and you guys think we can 1) clean Brazil of corruption 2) giving it to Temer and Cunha ?
If you classify your religion as a cult, that´s on you. Or are you saying that PT is your religion?
I'm really confused with what's your point. It has no relevance with what I said.

Are you really implying that people who stand against corruption are doing it just to "give it to Temer and Cunha"? Is this more of the "but, but, what about" tatic?
Again what is your point? That we should do nothing because other politicians are also corrupt?
 
Currently, nothing serious like that.

Of course, militants are occasionaly beating each other in some manifestations, but overall, the protests are peaceful. No one died or became severed injured.

There is no revolutionary force, no strong opposition leader, no armed faction, there is nothing like that.

But of course, in a protest with millions of people there are some radical lunatics that would call for a new dictatorship, a revolution, persecution but they are a minority and no one takes them seriously.

The problem is, this government is tiring people's patience. They are giving no fucks to what they do. They don't have shame or any sense of honor of duty. So if they remain in power there is a risk that things might go out of control.

Exactly. Yesterday, before the release of the audios I was getting this absurd sense of hopelessness from everybody online and offline.

We had just come from the biggest protest in our country's history and he government didnt give a damn. In fact it slapped us in the face by appointing that scumbag to the highest office in the land below President.

Thankfully, the audios came people took to the streets and things are beginning to change I think.

Still have to be watchful tough!
 
No I am against impeachment because nothing was PROVEN of Dilma.
When something is PROVEN, they can vote impeachment. You don't impeachment someone just because you don't like how they work. This is NOT how democracy works.

But taking Lula means they will take out Dilma and and soon we have Cunha on power =P



But it CAN'T CALM DOWN !

If this is about corruption it shall not calm down till EVERYONE proved corrupt is in jail =P

And why is Lula receiving 4 judge decisions in one day and Cunha is there with nothing new in months ???

There is some SERIOUS bias on this stuff and biased corruption fight is ... complicated


Nothing about the definition of democracy says we cant remove the current commander in chief unless he comits a crime, thats what the constitution says.

Removing a president isnt anti-democratic. If the majority of the people want her out thats actually VERY democratic.

Its anti-constitutional.
A country could have a monthly votation to keep the president in office or not, and it would still be a democracy.


EDIT: i should also mention she DID comit crimes. The most recent one being a responsability crime.

Theres absolutely nothing either constitutionally or democratically stopping a impeachment, in fact its the oposite entirely. You should learn what democracy means.

Democracy means the will of the majority, while respecting the minority. The people want her out. Thats democratic.
 
I mean proven.
Received a trial.

People are focusing on putting Lula on a trial before her =P

ACTUAL TRIAL WITH JUDGES, not politicians voting thinking about their parties
That's a pretty arbitrary and personal decision, but so very flawed. It reads like you want an unpolitical trial of the President, and that's (pretty much) impossible here in Brazil, especially in this political scenario. Both sides would use any possible means to influnce and postpone it. Impeachment is a very political process and Dilma doesn't need to be found guilty on criminal charges for it to be legit.

This other idea that the alternative, right now, is worse than PT and because of that we should let them be is very historically prevalent and very noxious for our politics. It's absolute proof that the "complexo de vira lata" is very real to this day.
 
Did you not read what I wrote?
TCU in an "ACTUAL TRIAL WITH JUDGES" has already decided that she did.
TSE is dragging his ass because as always fucking politics.
Well, now she cant run anymore and hopefully the impeachment will come.

TCU doesn't have judges, it has ministers.

Now, if you also go and click on their curricula, you'll notice that only some of them have a background in law. The president is a veterinarian. There is also a guy that attended a business school, an engineer, and a physician (who's also got a law degree). That is because the TCU ain't part of the judiciary branch.

As Ayres Britto once put it, TCU can judge sweet fuckall.

As for the fiscal maneuvers she executed, well... she did use them more than anyone else, yes, but that's about it. Certainly not a new thing, and certainly something that the TCU turned a (deliberate) blind eye to several times before.
 
Nothing about the definition of democracy says we cant remove the current commander in chief unless he comits a crime, thats what the constitution says.

Removing a president isnt anti-democratic. If the majority of the people want her out thats actually VERY democratic.

Its anti-constitutional.
A country could have a monthly votation to keep the president in office or not, and it would still be a democracy.


EDIT: i should also mention she DID comit crimes. The most recent one being a responsability crime.

Theres absolutely nothing either constitutionally or democratically stopping a impeachment, in fact its the oposite entirely. You should learn what democracy means.

Democracy means the will of the majority, while respecting the minority. The people want her out. Thats democratic.


But the majority do not want her out, she DID win the elections, and most certainly a majority is NOT in favour of an impeachment process, that looks more like a coup detat at this point, that is so obviously being orchestrated and pursued as hard as possible by the elites and the media. The goal of all of this shit is not more democracy, it's more oligarchy. Corruption needs to be chased after as much as possible and any politician that is found guilty by a court of law should automatically be removed from office and, if that happens to be the prime minister, then that government should all resign in bulk and there should be new elections. THAT has not happened yet so all you guys can act as angry ad you can, but you are just not right.

And don't get me started in all the horrible people showing up in these protests all the time. Racists, elitists, Jesus freaks and idiots nostalgic for a dictatorship claiming for military coups.

Brazil has many problems, corruption is probably one of the biggest (and, like in my country, Spain, it's more of a cultural issue that permeates the whole society and that it will be very difficult to get rid off) but you seriously do not solve things like this. The real big issue here is the social fracture being created, dividing the people, polarizing the political spectrum and expanding the divide between the rich and the poor.
 
Currently, nothing serious like that.

Of course, militants are occasionaly beating each other in some manifestations, but overall, the protests are peaceful. No one died or became severed injured.

There is no revolutionary force, no strong opposition leader, no armed faction, there is nothing like that.

But of course, in a protest with millions of people there are some radical lunatics that would call for a new dictatorship, a revolution, persecution but they are a minority and no one takes them seriously.

The problem is, this government is tiring people's patience. They are giving no fucks to what they do. They don't have shame or any sense of honor of duty. So if they remain in power there is a risk that things might go out of control.
Bolded is very true. I'm very much a "leftist" and always try to hear all sides and come to a moderate and realist opinion, avoiding extremes and all that. But I'm so very tired of this whole situation, especially with how the government handles the public opinion and accountability, a recent example being the case with minister Mercadante trying to buy (or whatever the hell that was) senador Delcídio; in a "serious nation" THIS ALONE should be ground enough for the President to renounce. Instead Dilma just abandons her most active and trusted minister and doesn't even acknowledge the whole situation.
 
TCU doesn't have judges, it has ministers.

Now, if you also go and click on their curricula, you'll notice that only some of them have a background in law. The president is a veterinarian. There is also a guy that attended a business school, an engineer, and a physician (who's also got a law degree). That is because the TCU ain't part of the judiciary branch.

As Ayres Britto once put it, TCU can judge sweet fuckall.

As for the fiscal maneuvers she executed, well... she did use them more than anyone else, yes, but that's about it. Certainly not a new thing, and certainly something that the TCU turned a (deliberate) blind eye to several times before.
Yep, the TCU just publishes a report. It has no power to take any legal action.
 
But the majority do not want her out, she DID win the elections, and most certainly a majority is NOT in favour of an impeachment process, that looks more like a coup detat at this point, that is so obviously being orchestrated and pursued as hard as possible by the elites and the media. The goal of all of this shit is not more democracy, it's more oligarchy. Corruption needs to be chased after as much as possible and any politician that is found guilty by a court of law should automatically be removed from office and, if that happens to be the prime minister, then that government should all resign in bulk and there should be new elections. THAT has not happened yet so all you guys can act as angry ad you can, but you are just not right.

And don't get me started in all the horrible people showing up in these protests all the time. Racists, elitists, Jesus freaks and idiots nostalgic for a dictatorship claiming for military coups.

Brazil has many problems, corruption is probably one of the biggest (and, like in my country, Spain, it's more of a cultural issue that permeates the whole society and that it will be very difficult to get rid off) but you seriously do not solve things like this. The real big issue here is the social fracture being created, dividing the people, polarizing the political spectrum and expanding the divide between the rich and the poor.


As my brazilian friends would say:



huehuehuehue
 
If only Roberto Justus* would candidate for 2018, then we would be like America and maybe we could be great for the first time.

*The Donald Trump of The Apprentice Brazilian Edition.
 
People defending Dilma, Jesus.

Petrobras was sacked under her nose while acting as the frigging CHAIRMAN and somehow she gets a pass? TCU already concluded she lied regarding the fiscal accounts.

It's also a fact that the stolen money from Petrobras went to fund PT Campaigns which, surprise, included the Presidential elections.

The wiretaps is just the icing of the cake and the latest display of cynical corruption.
 
People defending Dilma, Jesus.

Petrobras was sacked under her nose while acting as the frigging CHAIRMAN and somehow she gets a pass? TCU already concluded she lied regarding the fiscal accounts.

It's also a fact that the stolen money from Petrobras went to fund PT Campaigns which, surprise, included the Presidential elections.

The wiretaps is just the icing of the cake and the latest display of cynical corruption.

Still... not charged of any crime. You could argue of her political responsibility and express your opinion that it is immoral for her to stay in power, very well. The way to force her to do that? IN THE NEXT FREAKING ELECTIONS! If she gets actually found guilty and charged of a crime, however, then i would fully support she being kicked out. No to corruption, yes to justice and democracy. Unless you dint believe in the judicial system and prefer a military one.
 
But the majority do not want her out, she DID win the elections, and most certainly a majority is NOT in favour of an impeachment process, that looks more like a coup detat at this point, that is so obviously being orchestrated and pursued as hard as possible by the elites and the media. The goal of all of this shit is not more democracy, it's more oligarchy. Corruption needs to be chased after as much as possible and any politician that is found guilty by a court of law should automatically be removed from office and, if that happens to be the prime minister, then that government should all resign in bulk and there should be new elections. THAT has not happened yet so all you guys can act as angry ad you can, but you are just not right.

And don't get me started in all the horrible people showing up in these protests all the time. Racists, elitists, Jesus freaks and idiots nostalgic for a dictatorship claiming for military coups.

Brazil has many problems, corruption is probably one of the biggest (and, like in my country, Spain, it's more of a cultural issue that permeates the whole society and that it will be very difficult to get rid off) but you seriously do not solve things like this. The real big issue here is the social fracture being created, dividing the people, polarizing the political spectrum and expanding the divide between the rich and the poor.

Please do tell where did you see that a majority does not want an impeachment process. According to last month polls two different ones show 60% of the population supporting the process. (http://g1.globo.com/politica/notici...vam-governo-dilma-diz-pesquisa-datafolha.html and http://politica.estadao.com.br/noti...avoraveis-ao-impeachment-de-dilma,10000014434). If that doesn't show a majority I don't know what does.
 
Still... not charged of any crime. You could argue of her political responsibility and express your opinion that it is immoral for her to stay in power, very well. The way to force her to do that? IN THE NEXT FREAKING ELECTIONS! If she gets actually found guilty and charged of a crime, however, then i would fully support she being kicked out. No to corruption, yes to justice and democracy. Unless you dint believe in the judicial system and prefer a military one.

That's not how it works, the president doesn't have to be charged or judged at a court of law before an impeachment process begins. It's not a criminal process, it's a purely political process by the Legislative to decide whether she is impeached or not. Of course, the STF (Brazil's version of the SCOTUS) could invalidate that afterwards. It's all checks and balances.
 
Please do tell where did you see that a majority does not want an impeachment process. According to last month polls two different ones show 60% of the population supporting the process. (http://g1.globo.com/politica/notici...vam-governo-dilma-diz-pesquisa-datafolha.html and http://politica.estadao.com.br/noti...avoraveis-ao-impeachment-de-dilma,10000014434). If that doesn't show a majority I don't know what does.

If they are charged if a crime then, of course, I'll support it too! Problem is that hasn't happened but it seems like the opposition just can't wait for these "formalities" of course, there's big business to be made! Let's just flood the news and media with misinformation and make people believe that it is OK to throw out a democratically elected government and destroy any hint for the presumption of innocence. Do that for a couple years and, yeah, you will get 60% to think it is OK to impeach Dilma.
 

I've said "The people who vote have a right to know", that is, make it public. Not use it in court.

Plus, the liberty at stake is... politician's privacy?
You value an already indicted politician's privacy over the public's right to know to the proof he's corrupt?

Withholding information of any elected official admitting to corruption should be the indicatable offense, here.

A government serves it's people, and shouldn't withhold information if they do not pose major security concerns.

sometimes I feel like I've being played by both sides...

Welp, time to stock toilet paper, we are going to be a new Venezuela. Where's Machado?

Safely in Canada, i hope?

fake edit: Damn, not yet.
 
If they are charged if a crime then, of course, I'll support it too! Problem is that hasn't happened but it seems like the opposition just can't wait for these "formalities" of course, there's big business to be made! Let's just flood the news and media with misinformation and make people believe that it is OK to throw out a democratically elected government and destroy any hint for the presumption of innocence. Do that for a couple years and, yeah, you will get 60% to think it is OK to impeach Dilma.

An Impeachment is a political process, there is no need to wait for her to be charged of anything.

Let's not forget that the last impeached president (Collor) was actually found not guilty when he was on trial several years after his impeachment.
 
But the majority do not want her out, she DID win the elections, and most certainly a majority is NOT in favour of an impeachment process, that looks more like a coup detat at this point, that is so obviously being orchestrated and pursued as hard as possible by the elites and the media. The goal of all of this shit is not more democracy, it's more oligarchy. Corruption needs to be chased after as much as possible and any politician that is found guilty by a court of law should automatically be removed from office and, if that happens to be the prime minister, then that government should all resign in bulk and there should be new elections. THAT has not happened yet so all you guys can act as angry ad you can, but you are just not right.

And don't get me started in all the horrible people showing up in these protests all the time. Racists, elitists, Jesus freaks and idiots nostalgic for a dictatorship claiming for military coups.

Brazil has many problems, corruption is probably one of the biggest (and, like in my country, Spain, it's more of a cultural issue that permeates the whole society and that it will be very difficult to get rid off) but you seriously do not solve things like this. The real big issue here is the social fracture being created, dividing the people, polarizing the political spectrum and expanding the divide between the rich and the poor.
I feel the need to quote this, but I don't want to get banned, so I will just say: lol

If my lol is bannable, I'll upgrade it to a lmao just to make it worth the ban.
 
Still... not charged of any crime. You could argue of her political responsibility and express your opinion that it is immoral for her to stay in power, very well. The way to force her to do that? IN THE NEXT FREAKING ELECTIONS! If she gets actually found guilty and charged of a crime, however, then i would fully support she being kicked out.

Here in France, Dilma and his friend would have been put in the street to the hands of the people if you know what I mean. That's how we built one of the first and most solid democracy in the world back in the revolution time. Not thanks to trial and judge and certainly not thanks to the system back then. The people got fed up with the highest heads that spat on my ancestors, we litteraly took their heads. Trial and justice can do more wrong than right, while democracy is always right. Democracy do not put free rapist by mistake nor it condemn innoncents to death sentance. Democracy is not a system, democracy is when the power belong to the people. From what i saw and read, the people are beyond angry and they have all the right in the world to be.

Thank you op for reminding me that there is so much left to do in the world. I feel for the brasilian people and i sincerly hope for all my heart that you will rise from it. You have my support.
 
If they are charged if a crime then, of course, I'll support it too! Problem is that hasn't happened but it seems like the opposition just can't wait for these "formalities" of course, there's big business to be made! Let's just flood the news and media with misinformation and make people believe that it is OK to throw out a democratically elected government and destroy any hint for the presumption of innocence. Do that for a couple years and, yeah, you will get 60% to think it is OK to impeach Dilma.

To put it bluntly, you have no idea what you are talking about, and you are embarrassing yourself.

a "lol" does not help the discussion .... so it is way more bannable than actualy discussing why do you think such post laughable

Every single point on that post has been thoroughly discussed and discredited in this thread and the previous one. A "lol" is a reasonable reaction to a pig-headed, uninformed mischaracterization of the situation.
While I'm at it, platitudes, misdirections, and whatboutisms does not help the discussion either. Would be happy to see you pivot on that.
 
In any serious country this whole government would have ended MONTHS ago....We are a shitty country regarding moral and ethics, we tolerate too much. I find it amazing that some people not only don't worry about all this mess but they still defend these motherfuckers.
 
In any serious country this whole government would have ended MONTHS ago....We are a shitty country regarding moral and ethics, we tolerate too much. I find it amazing that some people not only don't worry about all this mess but they still defend these motherfuckers.

Why blame the brazilians ? President knows the situation of its country better than anything and anyone else, how could you watch for the governement and be concerned about politics when you struggle with the most basic stuff ? Brazilians are not responsible of the situation, poiticians that profit from the poor situation of the country are.
 
I feel the need to quote this, but I don't want to get banned, so I will just say: lol

If my lol is bannable, I'll upgrade it to a lmao just to make it worth the ban.

a "lol" does not help the discussion .... so it is way more bannable than actualy discussing why do you think such post laughable
 
Why blame the brazilians ? President knows the situation of its country better than anything and anyone else, how could you watch for the governement and be concerned about politics when you struggle with the most basic stuff ? Brazilians are not responsible of the situation, poiticians that profit from the poor situation of the country are.

I'm Brazlian, I know what I'm talking about, our people has shitty values and morals. Corruption starts early and even in a small scale you see terrible things happening. I blame the people because they do have access to information and still vote for a bunch of corrupts. C'mon, Renan Calheiros has been reelected so many times and everybody knows he is full of dirt.
 
In any serious country this whole government would have ended MONTHS ago....We are a shitty country regarding moral and ethics, we tolerate too much. I find it amazing that some people not only don't worry about all this mess but they still defend these motherfuckers.

It really is unbelievable. Sometimes I truly feel ashamed to be Brazilian, as much as I love and want the best for my country, its just too hard to defend some of us. These people that treat Lula as the second coming of Jesus Christ desperately need a reality check. The persecution complex they keep bringing up is just stupid, as if people are only pissed off about him and not the entire political class that drains our money with exorbitant taxes and hard work for their own luxuries. The country doesnt need only Lula and Dilma to get the fuck out (that would be a great start) but it needs a complete political overhaul, and that will take a long ass time and people will have to fight for it no doubt. Its the only way though.
 
I feel it would be good to clarify the different ways the President can end up leaving her office before 2018 and the reasons behind them.

The first would be to renounce her position which is an unilateral action on her part.

Second would be with the Superior Electoral Tribunal (TSE) to invalidate her presidential mandate and also of the vice president. There where several different actions going on in this tribunal that were merged into one today regarding this. The main points of this actions involves what was discovered during the Lava Jato operation that illegal money from the Petrolao scandal made its way into the 2014 presidential election. This allegation grows stronger with each new plea bargain done with collaborators detailing even further the corruption scandal.

Third would be via an accusation of a common crime commited by the President. Theoretically if the allegation that Rousseff was acting with the intent of disrupting the investigations done by the Federal Justice, the attourney general could denounce her and it would go to a vote on the house of representatives. If accepted then she gets removed from office for a certain amount of time and theres a trial conducted by the Supreme Court(STF).

Fourth is the Impeachment route which requires the presence of a crime of responsability. The ongoing Impeachment request in Congress considers that her administration has repeatedly broken fiscal law when effectively public banks were giving loans to the government by paying for government expenses without receiving money from the state to conduct these transactions and only being paid at a later date in order to mask the real situation of the state finances. There also is the claim that the President has created new credit lines without the autorization of Congress which is considered forgery, which is grave since it has her own signatures on said papers and responsability can't be offloaded to the actions of her staff. This point is bound to be a problem because the Vice President has been shown to also have done this so if the President is impeached with this as one of the justifications then the VP also have the risk of suffering the same process, even if he did not have the autonomy to go against the government economic directive. Lastly there is the claim that the President as being responsible for the Executive power is not doing her job of keeping things properly under the law by keeping members of her cabinet after new facts discovered show that they have some association with the petrolao scandal. This one gets worse considering that she not only keeps people under investigation in her cabinet she even brought in the former president Lula to be part of her cabinet when not only hes under investigation but when theres an arrest warrant currently being analysed to see if it will be executed or not. If the Impeachment process goes foward in the house of representatives the process then goes to the Senate where she will be removed from office for some time and the trial will be conducted by the senators with the Chief Justice presiding the sessions.

If theres anything wrong with this summary please clarify.
 
They are doing laser projections mapped to the congress building ?

Holy shit how much money does this people have ?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom