Were talking about a difference between $50 for Season passes and $400 for a slightly updated Xbox/PS4 just to get extra content that should be in all versions of the game.
Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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Would give a beefy CPU to the system, at least.
Yes, this. I also expect at E3 that MS makes a Elite Keyboard and Mouse for PC gamers. Seeing how the Elite Controller was a hit.
Wishmaster92
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Would be interesting if the Uncharted 4 teaser was running on this ps4k.
1080p+ 60fps/better shaders/ hq textures/ better aa. This is just an example but maybe it's what we should expect from the ps4k and that's fine by me.
1080p+ 60fps/better shaders/ hq textures/ better aa. This is just an example but maybe it's what we should expect from the ps4k and that's fine by me.
nullpoynter
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I can tell you one thing. This could very well have the opposite effect as well. If console manufacturers start upgrading their hardware every 2 or 3 years this will push more people to the PC and Steam. A great many people invest in the consoles because of their stability and the fact that they last 5+ years before the next upgrade. Some people just don't have the disposable income to upgrade more often. If Sony and Microsoft go this route I'm done with consoles. I'll just invest my money into my PC.
here's my view on it, taking the rumor at surface value of two possible options:
a) it's just a ps4 with a 4K scaler. In which case whatever; MS was able to add 1080p over component and HDMI later to the 360 because the connections allowed it. Sony needs to actually add an HDMI2 port to the PS4 to allow it to do 4K gaming, because the HDMI port on it can only do 4K at 30fps.
b) it's some "DS is the third pillar" bullshit and is actually capable of 4K native. This isn't just a .5 increase, this is substantial. You're pushing 4 1080p native screens at once. Release the PS4K at retail - if it does well, then remove restrictions and let developers make PS4K-only games later on. If it bombs, keep the requirement that games are made for PS4 first and can only be made PS4K compatible after they go gold.
This way they also get a console refresh back at the usual 4-5 years and "keep" their userbase from PS4 going forward. Nobody wants to reset their userbase again.
The ONLY way Sony is going to be able to keep parity (ie, the 4K solely just has 4K native mode in games) is if they legally prohibit developers from accessing all that power for 4K and just using it to push an even nicer 1080p image. Otherwise developers will go off into the woods and make PS4K only games (at non 4K resolutions).
My guess leans towards the softlaunch of a new gen, if true. Nobody wants 10 year gens. Nobody wants to get caught out by NX if it's beefy. Development wise though, it's just like devving for PC, so not really that much of a concern. But I seriously would not believe Sony would invest that much money in 4K capable hardware and go "nah, you can't use it. Only allowed to make your current PS4 titles run in 4K. Please ignore all the horsepower behind the curtain, carry on"
a) it's just a ps4 with a 4K scaler. In which case whatever; MS was able to add 1080p over component and HDMI later to the 360 because the connections allowed it. Sony needs to actually add an HDMI2 port to the PS4 to allow it to do 4K gaming, because the HDMI port on it can only do 4K at 30fps.
b) it's some "DS is the third pillar" bullshit and is actually capable of 4K native. This isn't just a .5 increase, this is substantial. You're pushing 4 1080p native screens at once. Release the PS4K at retail - if it does well, then remove restrictions and let developers make PS4K-only games later on. If it bombs, keep the requirement that games are made for PS4 first and can only be made PS4K compatible after they go gold.
This way they also get a console refresh back at the usual 4-5 years and "keep" their userbase from PS4 going forward. Nobody wants to reset their userbase again.
The ONLY way Sony is going to be able to keep parity (ie, the 4K solely just has 4K native mode in games) is if they legally prohibit developers from accessing all that power for 4K and just using it to push an even nicer 1080p image. Otherwise developers will go off into the woods and make PS4K only games (at non 4K resolutions).
My guess leans towards the softlaunch of a new gen, if true. Nobody wants 10 year gens. Nobody wants to get caught out by NX if it's beefy. Development wise though, it's just like devving for PC, so not really that much of a concern. But I seriously would not believe Sony would invest that much money in 4K capable hardware and go "nah, you can't use it. Only allowed to make your current PS4 titles run in 4K. Please ignore all the horsepower behind the curtain, carry on"
-ImaginaryInsider
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Who knows what the answer will be, or if there is one, but being locked into generations just because it's always been that way is a poor reason to do anything.
I suspect the lines between traditional consoles and what Valve is doing will continue to blur, and this definitely feels like a blurring of lines...if it actually happens.
wonderful103
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Nah that's just naughty dog doing what they and many many (most?) other developers do prior to launching their games.
This makes no sense. A more powerful system doesn't hurt you or anyone else as long as both systems continue to play the same games. You have no legit reason to not be okay with it. You have no logical reason to try and stop it from happening or cry about it. It's nothing more than a choice for some people who would like to upgrade. It doesn't affect you.
Ok but why would developers do that and alienate all the ps4 owners? graphical effects/better fps and res sure but content? why? The only people who would benefit from such a thing is Sony and they definitely wouldn't do it so I really don't see the point of your argument.
wonderful103
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I've got some bad news for you. You can't plug a new gpu into your usb plug
Sorc3r3r
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I don't like this rumor one bit.
Call me traditionalist, but when i buy a new hardware i want games properly made for it, i want generational gaps in my console.
Couldn't care less of forward or backward compatibility, my ps4 will not explode when the ps5 will not run ps4 games, it's my discretion to keep my old console and games or trash them all.
I don't want my console resources to be wasted to allow compatibility with a old hardware.
Yeah, I'm pretty disappointed.
Call me traditionalist, but when i buy a new hardware i want games properly made for it, i want generational gaps in my console.
Couldn't care less of forward or backward compatibility, my ps4 will not explode when the ps5 will not run ps4 games, it's my discretion to keep my old console and games or trash them all.
I don't want my console resources to be wasted to allow compatibility with a old hardware.
Yeah, I'm pretty disappointed.
Crimson_Gold
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I don't think the PS4 has an expansion slot
Chû Totoro
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lolololol
So hardcore gaming is better graphics?
Elite controller is something else. Think about it, you'll understand.
Again I'm not against change (that's why I love that Nintendo tries to change the gameplay almost every gen via different controllers) but I'm not sur someone who has a more powerful PC is more hardcore than the one who can just run the game properly. Or else you mean hardcore rich?
SolidSnakex
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I posted a comment form Yoshida in that post in which he notes that people thought you were supposed to hook PSVR up directly to your TV. It's not about being stupid, it's about how easily confused your average consumer can be when it comes to electronics. The reality is that "upgraded" consoles are a rarity in this industry. And when they do happen they've typically been colossal failures. It's going to be confusing. And why would Sony want to get in the middle of confusion when everything is going so well for them right now? The PS4 is tracking ahead of where it was last year. They've got a great lineup of exclusive software. And they're going to be launching PSVR. What benefit is there to releasing a more powerful PS4 right now?
Yep and this is basically already what we have now. Both consoles are already stripped down pc's basically.
I don't really see why Sony shouldn't do it. People who already own a ps4 can decide not to buy it. They'll be able to play every game coming to ps4 just like they do now. Those who want a bit more, well they can pay the extra and get a bit more.
I don't see current ps4 owners suddenly selling their consoles just because there's a new, more powerful system. Just like I don't see people deciding against buying a regular ps4 because of ps4,5. As long as 99% of the games (especially exclusives) are released on both systems, there's nothing Sony can loose on this.
I don't see current ps4 owners suddenly selling their consoles just because there's a new, more powerful system. Just like I don't see people deciding against buying a regular ps4 because of ps4,5. As long as 99% of the games (especially exclusives) are released on both systems, there's nothing Sony can loose on this.
I would be on board with this if they actually operated it like a subsidised phone model...
Say pay a set amount for a fixed two year contract, get the PS4.5 and two years PS+ account. After that you own the machine and can extend PS+ as normal until the next console comes along and rinse/repeat. I'm happy to do it with the my phone and the PS4 plus PS+ sub for two years would and should be a lot cheaper than most phone contracts.
(I pay £25 a month for my phone and another £15-£20 for my sim contract minutes, data etc).
I could easily and happily pay £20 a month for a PS4 and PS+ over a two year period, for example). No up front cost to save for and they guarantee themselves that income for PS+ and locking people into their ecosystem for all that time. £20 to £25 would be around the ballpark. That means a £400 console and two years PS+ plus @£40 plus some interest.
Say pay a set amount for a fixed two year contract, get the PS4.5 and two years PS+ account. After that you own the machine and can extend PS+ as normal until the next console comes along and rinse/repeat. I'm happy to do it with the my phone and the PS4 plus PS+ sub for two years would and should be a lot cheaper than most phone contracts.
(I pay £25 a month for my phone and another £15-£20 for my sim contract minutes, data etc).
I could easily and happily pay £20 a month for a PS4 and PS+ over a two year period, for example). No up front cost to save for and they guarantee themselves that income for PS+ and locking people into their ecosystem for all that time. £20 to £25 would be around the ballpark. That means a £400 console and two years PS+ plus @£40 plus some interest.
Uno Venova
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..Why is it tough? Nothings happened yet.
Nope - I was hoping they might have a more clever solution. Surely they don't expect people who want to upgrade to reinstall and redownload all of their games and updates every time they release a new iteration though?
It doesn't.
Blackleg-sanji1
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You have no legit reason t be A ok with it either because you dont know how it will play out now do you? Am i calling u a sheep or shill or something nope. I respect your decision. You ignored everything i said with that post has nothing to do with it affecting me people calling others out because they're not so on board with this or may never be is funny is all
I pretty much explained exactly why in my first post. Them releasing a upgraded system doesn't do harm to anyone so again I ask you why fight it? I'd like to enjoy their great line up with even better graphics/fps so I would love this and am willing to buy it. If you aren't willing to buy it then you still get to enjoy the same games on your current outdated ps4. Everyone is happy.
How confused can you get if both ps4 play the same games. Argument is silly.
Umm upgraded hardware means games will run better, why wouldn't I be okay with that if I'm willing to pay for it? You aren't even making any logical sense man.
Nope. The PS4 is physically incapable of doing 4K 60fps at the moment. It'd need an HDMI2 port.
It can only do 4K video (which is fine since most 4K content people would be using - movies - is 24fps) and pictures.
Midn1ght
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1080p60fps Max. Unless if Sony plans on charging $1000+ plus for a PS4K
MDSLKTR
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I'd be so down for that, it's time ms comes back to its roots and releases killer hardware
Wat. Sorry but just because there are no games that appeal to you does not mean you can go off and spouting "no games". If you bought a console with no games that appeal to you sell the damn thing and move on.
EdwardTeach
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Definitely not. It is a very crowded market, that they have previously pulled or of.
(I'm very happy with my ms sidewinder mouse, but I don't think they will be coming back)
Blackleg-sanji1
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And im saying for others it would seem like you know what never mind.
OuterLimits
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I will just get back into PC gaming(been 10 years) if this were to happen. I switched to consoles mainly because I was gaming less and wanted something simple. Consoles don't really offer many advantages to me anymore, plus I would probably save money in the long run going back to PC.
What? That is not how it works on PSVR.
PS4 renders a 1080p screen like this one below. That is sent to the PSVR headset where each lenss "unwarps" the image and places it around users eyes in wide FOV. It is a single 1080p120 or 1080p90 feed, depending on a game.
Additionally, Processing Unit takes a copy of that screen, picks video of one eye and crops&uwwarps center area, downscales the stream to 60fps so that TVs can reproduce it, and then sends the feed to TV. Because of that added processing, feed on TV looks like it is a bit laggy [but in headset, all is fine].
If this is literally like iOS and all games work, but going forward we have games that maybe work with some reduced settings on the original PS4 versus the enhanced PS4 then I'm fine with it and I'll be one of the suckers upgrading ASAP.
Those complaining it will drive them to PC don't make sense. This is like the best of PC and iOS coming together in plug and play console form. Those who moan about weak consoles get their beefier unit, those who hate the upgrade cycle have a console that still runs everything fine.
IF it's done right and if they even have the ability to operate a variable PS4 system without causing major compatibility issues with older/new software...
Those complaining it will drive them to PC don't make sense. This is like the best of PC and iOS coming together in plug and play console form. Those who moan about weak consoles get their beefier unit, those who hate the upgrade cycle have a console that still runs everything fine.
IF it's done right and if they even have the ability to operate a variable PS4 system without causing major compatibility issues with older/new software...
JayhawkerStL
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But that was the point of the original post. He said he's not buying a new iterative console because the one he owns has no games. That is perfectly logical.
If the argument was that no one should buy a console because it has no games, it would be ludicrous. But that's not what was being said.
I've seen a number of people in this thread say something like that (going back to PC gaming). Consoles won't offer you an advantage because they update more frequently? You would still do the same thing on PC and upgrade every couple years. I just don't get it.
Neuromancer
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I thought PS4 was keeping pace with the PS2, one of the most successful consoles of all time.
XxRampage07xX
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Hmm I think any confusion Sony can make with their PS4.5 should not be as big as Nintendo and Microsoft did in the past. Why? Take the scenario that this poster made for example:
In the end, the differences between PS4 and PS4.5 are only about "prices" and "power," the terms I believe that are very common and well known for customers who want to buy electronics devices. So yeah, it shouldn't be that hard and complicated for the store clerks tell their customers the obvious "Both consoles will play the same games and the more powerful and expensive console (PS4.5) will run better than the cheaper one (PS4)." In contrast, the same might not apply with "DRM" since the term is much more complicated. It will take much more reading and researching to actually understand what it means and hence it's not surprising why many people are still confused by that DRM thing. I don't really understand the confusion with Wii U though. I thought the name clearly meant the console was a follow-up to the Wii. But, Nintendo could have done a better job at naming their console really.
I agree with you on this though. My guess is that they will announce the PS4.5 console at E3 this year and release it sometime in 2017 (maybe Q1/2017?).
Birgitte2004
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How is this win-win for people who play on consoles because there is no such thing as platform hardware advantage?
The fact that you don't care, or are willing to upgrade constantly, doesn't eliminate this as a real problem, and I wish people would stop being condescending and blowing it off as not a real concern.
The moment Sony or Microsoft do this I will just give up and go-full PC, because they've eliminated one of the largest benefits I get from still using consoles.
Psychological Intellect
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i don't get it either.
JAV Actress
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MatrixMan.EXE
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The salt.
Frozone
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In the long run, you'd save money, keeping the same box, HDD, etc, and only upgrading components instead of entire systems with new hardware all-the-way around. I believe that's what people are saying.
SenkiDala
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Chû Totoro;198677534 said:
Yeah... what is a "hardcore gamer"? A gamer who plays with the best graphics? So someone who play mostly oldish games but at the highest difficulty, finish games at 100%, play every "underground" JRPGs or Jgames is not a hardcore gamer? But a gamer who has a SLI 980Ti to only play LoL or Hearthstones (they are many) is more hardcore? It doesn't mean anything.
Neuromancer
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It's like people saying they'll leave the country is so and so gets elected president. It's mostly bluster. I think what's more important to pay attention to is the underlying emotion- many people are not happy with this idea. Consoles have always been about everyone on an even playing field, more or less, and that's going to change if this is true.
The main advantage of consoles is to have a simple system under the tv that plays games. Everyone will use a controller and no mouse vs controller situations. You can start a party and play all your friends. Having a PS4.5 does not change none of this. It seems the cheap people who don't want to upgrade are pissed at this which is fine. Why not stick with PS4 if all games will be forward compatible and wait till PS5. If you cry about another person having a better version of the game then that's your fault and going PC is pretty much the same thing as someone will have a better PC. Because these generations are so long and it gets stale just look at the PS3/360 generation. I think to have a midgen upgrade system would keep things fresh and at the same time for cheap peiple who refuse to upgrade can carry on and won't get affected.
The cost of a GPU though is often the bulk of a cost of a console. Or even more, just for that one component. You still have to actually have the competence to do such a thing, and keep up with what's compatible with what. It's something that is simply out of the range of the average consumer. The basic cost to get started is still more than a console then any upgrades worth doing are not cheap. Upgrading a console every 3 years is still going to be cheaper and simpler for average end users. Plus it gives them a guaranteed set of games that will work on their platfrom, and no fiddling required.
For the hardcore user the PC space is ideal, let's you choose components to run games at the settings you desire. But for gaming that is NOT the vast majority of use cases. This upgrading console system helps fill the niche of people wanting closer to PC in terms of power while still making it easy and user friendly for them. If this goes ahead then I expect PS5 etc to offer continuous backwards compatible from here on out so the library of games grows exponentially with every gen as it should.
Edit for stupid phone autocorrecting.