timmyp53
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Yeah 600 dollars for a ps4/psvr bundle. Must be out your goddamn mind.
Who's the girl in your avatar?
Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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Yeah 600 dollars for a ps4/psvr bundle. Must be out your goddamn mind.
This puzzles me too.
You're not just saying to gamers with a PS4 you're going to get a different performance between the two systems, you're launching a VR headset to market in context of running on two different specs of machines.
I swear to God if all this is true then the most dangerous job in the industry is working for Sonys marketing team. If they get any aspect of the marketing wrong for propositioning a revised PS4 model and VR headset in the same year, they risk turning the market off to both concepts. Let's face it - whatever Vive and the Rift offer better in terms of experience, all eyes are on Sony in relation to selling it to the widest market at this stage in VRs life cycle.
The launch of a PS4K could negatively impact PSVR adoption if you're saying to people - 'For the best results, you'll need a PS4K for PSVR'. I speak purely from my own perspective as a buyer and don't expect all to agree. I can deal mostly with traditional gamers getting a better experience with a PS4K, but if Sony are asking me to fork out another £350 for a headset - I want to know I'm not still getting (comparatively) the lesser of two experiences by not stumping up more for PS4K.
Is that actually a problem? If anything people are more worried about their ROI on their OG systems thanks the existence of this upgraded mid-gen model and uncertainty about what that means for game development going forward for their systems.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
One thing worries about all this that I havent heard mentioned.
There are more than a few PS4 games with an unlocked framerate, whether in game (infamous/KS) or in menus (rocket league). What happens if the hardware is improved?
There are more than a few PS4 games with an unlocked framerate, whether in game (infamous/KS) or in menus (rocket league). What happens if the hardware is improved?
It's happening and will probably not be anywhere near as bad as what you are thinking.
This first one will be called 'PS4K' or 'PS4.5' for easing customers into the thought of console iterations in contrast to the traditional "start from scratch" cycles. There will be games cross-compatible between PS4.5 and PS5 using the same disc.
After the PS5 (once people are used to iterations) it will just be whole-number updates every three years. PS4 -> PS4.5/K -> PS5 -> PS6 -> PS7...
After the PS5 (once people are used to iterations) it will just be whole-number updates every three years. PS4 -> PS4.5/K -> PS5 -> PS6 -> PS7...
Yeah, and it was proposed by Japanese developers because resetting the userbase to 0 instead of growing each generation has become detrimental to growth.
Obliterator
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Its almost a done deal at this point.
There will never be a perfect timing for this. One just has to dive in and change the landscape.
I don't really see the logic behind the 'I'm not part of the early adopters so I won't buy' mindset implied by what I bolded in my last post.
bitbydeath
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Obliterator
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This a big deal people dont think about enough. If you can keep one huge base slowly transitioning between systems like we saw with cross gen this time around it helps devs big time. There is no scary "reset" every 5+ years where your install base is 0
They'll run better.
SolidSnakex
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The problem is that they're still launching a new console that almost undoubtedly cost as much if not more than the PSVR right alongside it. How is that not damaging to it? You're inevitably going to have people who'll decide to go with the 4.5 over the PSVR. You're going to have even more people who question Sony's commitment to the PSVR because of such a move. And as I said earlier, Sony has an absolutely terrible history with supporting side projects. So, Sony is going to be working on an uphill battle for VR support, on an uphill battle for their reputation when it comes to supporting side projects, and on an uphill battle with trying to push upgraded hardware which is something that has never worked for consoles. And they're going to be doing that all at once if they launch the PS4.5 this year.
It just doesn't make sense to me. Especially given how Sony has consistently made the right moves generation. They're leading this generation by a near 2:1 margin, the pressure isn't on them as far as new hardware goes. It would be an unbelievably stupid move on their part.
Sowon from GFriend.
That can easily be eliminated by just having each generation be backwards compatible, without need for a mid-cycle model. Sony already outlined that at the PS4 reveal IIRC.
bitbydeath
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Hopefully they offer a good trade-in incentive.
Sony's history with that has been abysmal.
Obliterator
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So is this thing significantly more powerful or marginally? I realize you may not he able to answer this but was just curious
timmyp53
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Yeah this will definitely be a rough launch and marketing campaign... they have to do everything right.
In any good kdramas?
bitbydeath
Member
This year is pinned as the year for 4K to take off, movies will start being available for 4K this year.
I bet after PS4K is released all early adapters will jump on it and just enjoy better image quality as if the so-called 5-year console cycle was so 2015-ish. All messages talking about backlashes will be recalled with laughs like the youtube videos where current kids react to Windows 95.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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That has its own problems...(coil whine, excessive heat,louder fans)
Its not clear cut a good thing.
anothertech
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"All current owners of PS4 will be allowed to upgrade for just $99"
These are the words I'm waiting for. 4K gaming for a simple upgrade in hardware. I do this monthly on my PC lol. Sign me up.
The exciting part, is now MS and Sony are truly at a standoff...
Who will have the extra shaders and higher TF count this time? Xbox1.5 or PS4K?! I can't see MS allowing Sony to continue having the power edge with a less expensive console this time around. They will be pushing the system specs hard I imagine. But Sony knows this. Will they counter with double the expected specs again?
Hype is raging bros.
These are the words I'm waiting for. 4K gaming for a simple upgrade in hardware. I do this monthly on my PC lol. Sign me up.
The exciting part, is now MS and Sony are truly at a standoff...
Who will have the extra shaders and higher TF count this time? Xbox1.5 or PS4K?! I can't see MS allowing Sony to continue having the power edge with a less expensive console this time around. They will be pushing the system specs hard I imagine. But Sony knows this. Will they counter with double the expected specs again?
Hype is raging bros.
MatrixMan.EXE
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No, it won't.
Glorified G
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They already have a new platform announced to launch this fall with two SKU's in NA, which already has its own questions for consumers. (Do you need a PS4 to use it? Which SKU do you need or don't need?) And now Sony may have another upgraded console ontop of their existing one. What does this say to existing PS4 owners interested in PSVR? Do they fork over $399-$499 for the device only or would they need the new PS4 also for the complete experience? If Sony is upgrading the PS4 will they do the same for PSVR a couple years from now?
PSVR wasn't easy to market to begin with. Being an early adopter is risky enough, this whole thing seems messy and tells me to wait it out.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Big Thread:
2 Questions:
Can developers create a baseline game that would work on every version of the PS4/ XboxOne that would be scalable with a a Day Zero Patch to take advantage of the duct tape and ensuring Forward Compatibility (Think Twilight Princess for GC/Wii but selling only one disc)
Are any of the ports on either console capable of supporting this upgrade externally?(speed and architecture) I know it's failed in the past but the war has changed since then.
2 Questions:
Can developers create a baseline game that would work on every version of the PS4/ XboxOne that would be scalable with a a Day Zero Patch to take advantage of the duct tape and ensuring Forward Compatibility (Think Twilight Princess for GC/Wii but selling only one disc)
Are any of the ports on either console capable of supporting this upgrade externally?(speed and architecture) I know it's failed in the past but the war has changed since then.
I'm expecting this to have a better cooling system in it.
timmyp53
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I know this is a bad example but I feel like if they do that though it'll be similiar to when 7.1 receivers came out. 5.1 setup owners kind of just shrugged. Interest will probably be lower. I think they should emphasize that it'll make 1080p games better and leave the 4k out of it. Enthusiast will already know.
bitbydeath
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If they're really expecting AAA games to reach 4K then significant, that price tag though :-s
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'Wake me when PSVR1.5 gets announced' wouldn't be an unfair conclusion if Sonys attitude to promoting it us 'HERE IS NEW PSVR AND TO GET THE BEST EXPERIENCE YOU'LL NEED PS4.5'
#1 most likely if they keep architecture the same and not mess up stuff, not even patches will be needed for most games. Think it more like upgrading GPU in PC, games do not need patches for that.
#2 No, current consoles don't have [PCIE/USB3.1] ports for that. They have single APU and their full processing is coming only from that.
Obliterator
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Well see that's what I'm still questioning. If they really believe its possible for AAA games be true native 4k on this thing or if there will be upscaling involved
I do wonder when MS and Sony announce their upgraded system they will drop the price for the PS4 and Xbone. I think it would be smart to drop them to $199 and release the new improved consoles for $349. In that way both consoles will reach mainstream price this year for normal people while the new ones will be for those who want the best picture quality and performance
MatrixMan.EXE
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After all we've been through, people are still expecting this to run AAA games, natively, at 4k? Please.
I'm just too skeptical, if Zoetis and his claims as to the price are to be believed. It'll be indie and less graphically intensive games at best.
I'm just too skeptical, if Zoetis and his claims as to the price are to be believed. It'll be indie and less graphically intensive games at best.
timmyp53
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You don't like the soothing sounds of a jet engine on online lobby screens?
bitbydeath
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Probably will be a low adoption rate after the initial enthusiast sales go through.
The gen could be far extended though making this more a PS5 than PS4.5 in terms of life before the next one hits.
bitbydeath
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Yeah, no idea at this point. Don't think any leakers had clarified this.
But then couldn't og PS4 just upscale to 4K?
Upscaling only stretches the existing pixels so I don't see why new hardware would be required for that.
