-ImaginaryInsider
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We already accept console revisions with things like bigger hard drives, why not a 4k version that is completely optional?
Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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I'd be shocked if it was native 4k for AAA games. It may have a very high quality upscaler, since 1080>4k is an even scale there could potentially be some techniques that would look better than just a standard upscale, but I can't see native happening if this releases this year.
The fear is that the upgrades go beyond resolution and affect things like frame rate, less developer focus on OGPS4, etc
Well for one, you can easily replace your hard drive with a bigger one without forking over the money for a new console. The same can't be said of improving graphics/performance.
Do you trust developers to not fuck over original PS4 owners? Because I sure as hell don't.
I mean, that would not worry me given that I do not even own a 4K TV to take advantage of that. But everything points to an improvement of performance in games and, sadly, that is too much for me to digest.
I feel so foolish and like my PS4 purchase was a mistake.
SolidSnakex
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Nah, she's just a singer at the moment.
If this thing is significantly more powerful than the PS4, which is what some are suggesting, then it's going to have a negative impact on the standard PS4. There's no real way around it. A bigger harddrive isn't going to change the performance of a game.
George Claw M.D.
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So Cosmic Queso has just been playing coy in other threads, talking about a hypothetical upgraded PS4 before any of these rumors started? Come clean, space cheese!
bitbydeath
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Depends on how much money is involved.
I don't think you'll have much to worry about. If this story is sourced from dev sources they would probably be mentioning being unhappy with more target specs to worry about. I really think that this is just something to be marketed towards those who have 4k displays or just have waited on getting a PS4 with the base PS4 specs being the main target for continued development. It might be a little bit faster in some situations but I doubt it'll be drastic.
IIRC one of the PS2 revisions had some more RAM which improved loading times a bit but the core experience was essentially the same. That's what I expect here.
I don't think money has anything to do with it. At the end of last gen, lots of PS3/360 games had sub-par performance in comparison to PC versions to the point where a few reviews said 'don't buy this on consoles because performance is poor'. Sony and Microsoft allowed that kind of thing happen, and it's pretty obvious that they'd let it happen again.
You presumably bought the PS4 to enjoy playing games. PS4k won't prevent you from doing that, so I'm not sure why you would feel foolish.
Unless you bought the PS4 just to feel neat about having the newest thing, in which case technology in general is going to be really hard on you.
bitbydeath
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Looks to be a complete shift in how generations are handled.
PS5 (or whatever they call it) will likely be made so games work on PS4K and PS5.
PS4 og gets discontinued and PS4K becomes the low end machine of the bunch.
Interesting times ahead if true.
From the reporter whom broke the news:
Likely APU architecture (AMD Polaris releasing mid-2016):
bitbydeath
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PSVR will probably be the biggest affected for PS4 og owners.
Always did wonder why No Mans Sky still hadn't been formally announced for PSVR, this might be why.
Yeah if there is one thing I look forward to regarding those 1.5 consoles it's how the sales and market changes.
Who said this?
I think PS5 will be backward compatibility, there will be cross gen games like any gen, those cross gen games would work on PS4 and PS4K, any PS4K game will work on PS4 forever.
PS5 will be a new gen, there will be PS5 only games that won't work on neither the PS4 and the PS5K.
Later the PS5 gen Sony will release PS5S, again, the same deal.
I think it's just a middle gen upgrade so that the enthusiastic crowd can enjoy PS4 games at higher settings (obviously it's a good money for Sony, they know some of their hardcore fans would buy a second console for this), this upgrade will occur one time each gen, instead of the regular slim you will get something more substantial.
MS indeed are going for yearly upgrades, no more traditional gens for them, but I don't see anything that suggest Sony are doing the same.
-ImaginaryInsider
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Why would it split the developers focus? Most of the developers already develop for PC where they support multiple configurations, this wouldn't even be that... this would be two very similar "non-exotic" architectures, likely with Sony releasing tools to make sure if it runs on one it will run on both.
This PS4K thing would be a slight variation of things we already accept within the console space.
Obliterator
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Yeah this is what I'm expecting. A nice power bump and a really good 4k upscaler
How does this hurt PSVR?
Your PS4 is still the same PS4 that it was before you heard about a new PS4 that can play games in 4K. everyone don't have 4K TVs & even the ones that do every TV in the house isn't 4K so they can just hook the PS4 to the 1080P TV & get a PS4.5 for their 4K TV & if they don't have a 4K TV why are they even complaining in the 1st place?
Obliterator
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E3 reveal seems very likely if test kits and documentation are already out there
I think they should do it in a separate conference before E3 (end of May). I mean, this is an enormous shift for the console industry.
Everything else would be deafened out at the conference otherwise.
edit: Or as someone else pointed out, maybe not before fall time. Iterative updates means that they probably would just announce it closer to release than usual.
2nd edit: Though Sony: If you are reading this... do it in May. At least for this first iteration. You need to clarify the future of consoles simultaneously and let us digest it.
I still don't know how I feel about this. Not incredibly angry like some seem to be, but not excited.
What I'm feeling like is it'd be better if they just wait two years and release a PS5 then, but maybe they're thinking a PS5 so soon would hurt devs more than just a ps4.5.
Thinking bout it, I guess I'd rather this just not exist.
What I'm feeling like is it'd be better if they just wait two years and release a PS5 then, but maybe they're thinking a PS5 so soon would hurt devs more than just a ps4.5.
Thinking bout it, I guess I'd rather this just not exist.
A useless device. Why don't buy a PC if you want a very good HW? PS4 is already good enough , just look at U4. The only reason behind this would be provide a better VR experience but is too late for that ( if they don't want to screw PS4 early adopters).
Anyway we'll see how they will manage this situation: specs, price etc.
CosmicQueso
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Nothing to come clean about, Dr. Claw! From a business perspective, easiest thing to hypothesize following the 4K deluge at CES.
Too early for a new gen... But they have to push 4K and Ultra HD Bluray, Best way to do both is have a console that supports 4K in some way.
But the idea that we will see annual revisions or anything like that is a bit premature. There's no real good business reason to do that. At least not yet.
Sometimes crazy predictions work out, sometimes they don't. Of course, it's all rumor still, so who knows.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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You dont have to buy it right away
A 2016 Update would be nice.
This 900p or lower stuff is just annoying in 2016.
I feel foolish because I did not use the money wisely (my internship's pay
). I am really picky and rarely buy any product out of impulse: spend a lot of time on looking at sales, packs, second hand consoles... But this is entirely out of my hands, completely different from past generations and I hate that. I do not mind slim models (except fat 360, most of them were quite good first models) or, of course, ps4 for a lower price after some years but this... I cannot take it, it even makes me dislike the system.I have the same feeling with mobile phones: They are punishing day one/early adopters because they know these customers will be buying the product no matter what. So at least, I do not want to be in that group.
Gamescom/Paris games week is a better place. E3 is too early if they want to launch the new PS4 this fall.
-ImaginaryInsider
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Past magic pixie dust being involved, true native 4k support is out of the question for a $399 console in 2016. Is a higher resolution and/or 4k upscale with a better framerate really going create an unacceptable difference between a PS4 and PS4k for people outside of folks on GAF? Likely not.
bitbydeath
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All speculation on my part.
It's a massive jump for an iterative approach, PS5 probably wouldn't be worthwhile until 8K comes about and with 4K just getting started this year that would make the next console many years away.
The two system approach would also get around issues such as what PS3 encountered with trying to push a new medium at such a high price tag.
They wouldn't even have to worry about taking such a large loss on each console as the previous version would be much cheaper and still offer the same titles.
Isn't it obvious?
A $399/499 VR Headset releasing in October AND a brand new PS4 itneration in the end of the year (who knows the price, $499 maybe?). Both will be competing with each other indirectly.
"Should I buy the new PS4 or a PSVR?"
David Ricardo
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So, to try to promote ultrahd bluray and 4k, they are going to kill the goose that laid the golden eggs.
So this is the PS3 Blu-ray all over again. Destroy a perfectly good bussiness that makes you a lot of money just to help the gamble you are taking in another segment.
All just at the same time Sony finally got out of the red.
I can't believe Kaz Hirai is Ok with this.
farmerboy
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I just don't get this.
Why are they so eager to pull the trigger on a new revision? They've got the best selling console, with the games about to hit. Why not concentrate on a price cut, and with the games they'll dominate anyway.
Hold out and then hit the market with some extra juice, 4K and all that. A "proper" albeit early PS5.
I just don't get the panic of trying to release something like this, this year for Christ's sake. 4K isn't even that big a deal yet.
Why are they so eager to pull the trigger on a new revision? They've got the best selling console, with the games about to hit. Why not concentrate on a price cut, and with the games they'll dominate anyway.
Hold out and then hit the market with some extra juice, 4K and all that. A "proper" albeit early PS5.
I just don't get the panic of trying to release something like this, this year for Christ's sake. 4K isn't even that big a deal yet.
why do these websites continue with this type of click bait.
do they simply not understand the concept of closed box?
4k output for blueray or video maybe ...
but they wont be updating the compuational grunt of the ps4 at all, vr otherwise.
simply to satify this urge they have to push this story of coinsole merging with PC's in the way of moving to a incremental upgrade policy to the core cpu/gfx platform.
ISN'T EVER HAPPENING - sorry.
and these people get paid to write this stuff ...
do they simply not understand the concept of closed box?
4k output for blueray or video maybe ...
but they wont be updating the compuational grunt of the ps4 at all, vr otherwise.
simply to satify this urge they have to push this story of coinsole merging with PC's in the way of moving to a incremental upgrade policy to the core cpu/gfx platform.
ISN'T EVER HAPPENING - sorry.
and these people get paid to write this stuff ...
CosmicQueso
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Seeing as how smart they have been the last few years, I'd hold off on the doomsday proclamations until they announce that this is really a thing and what it entails.
If it's just a 4K upscaler and the psvr add on box built in then I don't see why anyone would have a problem with it or how it would negatively impact existing owners in any way. But I guess we'll find out. Or not.
foolishoptimist
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I'll want both PSVR and PS4K, but I can't afford both.
Is it a choice between PSVR and improved graphics/performance on UC4, NMS, Knack2?
Maybe I cancel my PSVR pre-order... Maybe not.
But released in different years, and I can manage both.
This makes no sense. How is buying a ps4 a mistake if something more powerful comes out later? Just pretend it doesn't exist if you can't bear the thought of someone having better IQ than the base ps4.
NotSmartEnough
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I think that a significant increase in APU power is unlikely: it's a big investment with no guaranteed return. Make it a big power difference and fragment the market, keep them close together and don't sell enough of the new model. Damned either way.
My guess is that if there is new hardware it will be to support UHD films (sorry Rigby). I reckon they push cheaper silicon with the same performance as per the usual mid-gen slim version, coupled with a UHD BD drive, bigger HDD, new HDMI, and maybe a couple of rear USB3 ports.
My guess is that if there is new hardware it will be to support UHD films (sorry Rigby). I reckon they push cheaper silicon with the same performance as per the usual mid-gen slim version, coupled with a UHD BD drive, bigger HDD, new HDMI, and maybe a couple of rear USB3 ports.
timmyp53
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Are you prepared to eat crow in June?
anothertech
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Some people may be In For a bit of a surprise this E3 ...
Nothing clickbait about it tbh. We already got MS saying the same thing, Nintendo's patents suggest the same thing, now this Sony rumor suggests the exact same thing.
I have trouble even thinking of this as a rumor but more as it's already happening.
4K I dunno about it. I have a hard time believing that part, but an upgrade I do believe.