NX Controller Rumor [Up5: Original was fake, and thus this is too]

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Some place everything else in this topic comes from: speculation based on inference.

I.E. They look non-functional. There is no visible means for the stick to move, not by any known design or engineering of analog sticks that we know of. They don't appear to be slidable sticks, as on the 3DS, as they appear to be one solid nub on one solid hemi-sphere. Further, the hemi-sphere which would traditional be sunk under the casing in order to pivot is instead a single solid piece fused with the flat ring surrounding it, and thus can not pivot as a "real" stick would. Compare:


Ergo, simplest explanation.

There's a possibility Nintendo has designed some sort of elaborate, convex, sliding nub that sits on top of a hemi-spherical dome for seemingly no reason when they already have perfectly usable designs for analog sticks and sliding pads, but is that the simplest explanation?
This is what I am saying.. like why are those things there they look like they cant fuckin move.

Maybe its more of a unit to test the hybridness but still.
 
Go to the store and buy a sheet of plastic and cut it into an oval and you don't have a wavy 3D printed screen, you have a flat glossy one. Just like in the "leaks".

Not saying this image is real or fake...but yeah. This. If you wanted to manufacture it, the screen (if non-functional!) would probably be the easiest part. If I remember my manufacturing class properly, acrylic is really easy to work with if you have access to a laser cutter. It's actually awesome because of how nice acrylic looks. It was my favorite material because it makes everything look fancier for not much money. To be honest, back in those days, I would have had access to everything necessary to model this. However, I definitely wouldn't have put in the time to do so, so if someone actually did that, props to them.

To reiterate, though, I'm not saying that it's fake. It's just that, if you were to ask me to rank the individual parts in terms of "how easy would it be to model this?," the screen would be my #1. Quick outline in Adobe Illustrator + spend a couple dollars on acrylic + laser cutter.
 
Difference in perspective compared to what? The full image is aligned/deformed to match with the image on the device.

It's the perspective of the in-game camera. The image appears to have been panned on the screen itself as if it was 2D, rather than moving a camera in a 3D environment. When you change your position relative to objects in a 3D space, you get a slightly different perspective on them.
 
I'm gonna be brutally honest with you dude, I'm not gonna go spend any money just to prove that cutting a piece of effing plastic into an oval is easy.

I've said from the very beginning that I'm not saying it IS real or it IS fake. I'm saying that IF it is fake, it is not some kind of ridiculously complicated thing to do that would take months and months to create. It would take someone who can model basic shapes in 3D, with access to a 3D printer, and a sheet of glossy plastic cut into an oval. I am absolutely not going to spend a cent to prove cutting plastic isn't difficult. Sorry.

Find a piece of plastic that you think you can do this with and I will buy it for you. No problem at all.
 
Wii U prototypes used the slide sticks that are on 3ds or something very similar iirc

These are sliding pads:
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There is a zone of clearance around them so they can slide around.

The sticks in this rumored "leaked" controller are not sliding sticks. They are nubs on top of domes, implying that they are sticks. Or, they are some sort of strangely designed sliding nubs on top of hemi-spheres. Can you imagine the overly complex engineering that would require, when Nintendo already has designs for sliding nubs? And why, when they already have designs for sticks?

Half the reason for nubs is space conservation in a mobile design. What is the point of putting nubs on top of hemi-spheres?

Ergo, simplest explanation.
 
One of the things I thought about today is that this can be the perfect controller for those people with disabilities that don't allow them to play like we do. Just customise the button setup as you're confortable with and you're done. It came up to my mind by seeing again what Legend of Grimrock's devs did for a player who needed a special option in the game.
 
That fake phone took months to make. These were both made by different people within days. Nope!

These leaks are based off the patents we got 3 months ago, which should be plenty of time to 3d print something. Someone already brought up that it could be the same mockup for both the white and black version, with the new one being the white one painted over, which would explain why the microphone hole has suddenly gone amiss: it filled up with paint.
 
These leaks are based off the patents we got 3 months ago, which should be plenty of time to 3d print something. Someone already brought up that it could be the same mockup for both the white and black version, with the new one being the white one painted over, which would explain why the microphone hole has suddenly gone amiss: it filled up with paint.

Then why would they leak the super fake looking one first? That doesn't make any sense.
 
#MIGHTBENOWSUPPOTINGTEAMFAKEBUTNOT100%SURE ... it is interesting that neither poster has taken a photo of the back or bottom of the controller, plus there is some suspicious placement of objects such as the WIiU controller, HDMI cable, etc.

Also (in my experience) devs don't generally work from a laptop and a consumer retail Samsung monitor.

Yeah, the lighting really looks like some person's house. The blinds look more like a house or small office.then a big cube farm. The person could have easily cropped out the tree in the background and the MacBook to hide where they are, but seemingly they don't care.

The desk is really beat up and seems like it hasn't been cleaned in a long time and the person doesn't care about sticking drinks on it. I have a desk at work from the 1960s and it's in way better shape.

Other folks have already made fun of the shitty "CONFIDENTIAL" label that was made with a label printer

The other thing that's already been pointed out is how smudged up the controller is on the left-side, while the buttons should be on the right.
 
63 pages, holy shit. Nintendo might not be selling consoles bit it surely spurs some debating around here always!

I think I'm in team fake because of how close this design is to the patent file. Isn't it always the case for design depictions in patent documents to be purposely generic and bland to allow to keep the real design under wraps?

I think they made an elliptic screen just to show the concept better but I HOPE that the final design will be much more ergonomic and comfortable with handles and so on.
 
Just to play devil's advocate-- I could 3D model that thing in about an hour from scratch, and it would take maybe another 6 or 7 hours to print on the 3D printer we have in my office.

The hard part is the screen. It would have to be CNC milled out of some kind of glossy plastic and fit inside the 3D print. Or someone could Photoshop the screen on top of they had reasonable skills.

Doesn't mean it's fake, but the basic shape is simple enough that it could easily be modeled and printed.
 
Then why would they leak the super fake looking one first? That doesn't make any sense.

Because that's how they made that first, then read people's comments and adjusted it to what it is now? They might also have had to adjust the color for the fake screen, since the white could've shined through.
 
People are just hoping against hope that it's fake. The number of mental hoops people are jumping through is insane. I'm certain it's real, but whether or not it's final retail form or not is the only real debate, as far as I'm concerned. People saying it's 3D printed with perfectly cut plexiglass - what exactly would the final goal of a fake this elaborate be? You think someone would go through THAT much effort for the lulz? The extremely high quality manufacturing in 2 different colors and locations should say it all, really.

Should be pretty interesting, it definitely has my attention.
 
#TeamReal from the jump. #TeamFake never learns do they. Poor souls wrong about the esrb smash leaks, Pokemon x & y evolutions etc. TeamFake needs some innovation in their lives
 
You had to use the touch controls and blow into the mic in a few levels. I don't remember there being a workaround for that during solo play. I think the same thing was in Captain Toad, if I'm remembering correctly.

Late response, but I did acknowledge those levels and the Captain Toad stages in the rest of my post; I also pointed out that those levels weren't part of the main campaign (ergo you're not required to complete them in order to progress through the main worlds).
 
Because that's how they made that first, then read people's comments and adjusted it to what it is now? They might also have had to adjust the color for the fake screen, since the white could've shined through.

They adjusted it that fast? At this quality? lol stop.
 
I'm gonna be brutally honest with you dude, I'm not gonna go spend any money just to prove that cutting a piece of effing plastic into an oval is easy.

I've said from the very beginning that I'm not saying it IS real or it IS fake. I'm saying that IF it is fake, it is not some kind of ridiculously complicated thing to do that would take months and months to create. It would take someone who can model basic shapes in 3D, with access to a 3D printer, and a sheet of glossy plastic cut into an oval. I am absolutely not going to spend a cent to prove cutting plastic isn't difficult. Sorry.
And in the hypothetical situation that this is a fake, it's not unreasonable to assume that the person with access to a high end 3D printer might also have access to a CNC glass cutting machine. It would be extremely easy to pop in a quality piece of touchscreen glass and program it to cut out a perfect oval with two circles in it.
 
Some place everything else in this topic comes from: speculation based on inference.

I.E. They look non-functional. There is no visible means for the stick to move, not by any known design or engineering of analog sticks that we know of. They don't appear to be slidable sticks, as on the 3DS, as they appear to be one solid nub on one solid hemi-sphere. Further, the hemi-sphere which would traditional be sunk under the casing in order to pivot is instead a single solid piece fused with the flat ring surrounding it, and thus can not pivot as a "real" stick would. Compare:

Ergo, simplest explanation.

There's a possibility Nintendo has designed some sort of elaborate, convex, sliding nub that sits on top of a hemi-spherical dome for seemingly no reason when they already have perfectly usable designs for analog sticks and sliding pads, but is that the simplest explanation?
It says this in the OP:
- Only the upper 'nubs' of the sticks move. The bottom part is static (kind of like the circle pad, but it moves along the bottom 'sphere'.
 
I'm going to sleep now. I can't wait to see in the morning the 3d print with the perfect screen done by one of so many specialized people around here.

Then I will buy a 3d printer to get myself a new iPhone every year.
 
These leaks are based off the patents we got 3 months ago, which should be plenty of time to 3d print something. Someone already brought up that it could be the same mockup for both the white and black version, with the new one being the white one painted over, which would explain why the microphone hole has suddenly gone amiss: it filled up with paint.

Feels like the conclusion to some murder visual novel.
 
Looks like the "screen' was made with this:

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Look how it looks different in color from the Wii U screen:

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[quote="DeuceGamer, post: 199060152"]My iPhone screen looks different than the Wii U screen though.[/QUOTE]
 
Man for as cool as this could be I can not play games with out my buttons ..
I need my r and l 1s I need my r and l 2s ..

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So does it look real yes will it be kool to look at yeah I'm sure .. will I buy it if any where near 40% if games gonna make me use the controller without physical buttons nope no way ..

But ey best of luck to Nin having another Gen like the wiiU will put them in a Very bad situation
 
Some place everything else in this topic comes from: speculation based on inference.

I.E. They look non-functional. There is no visible means for the stick to move, not by any known design or engineering of analog sticks that we know of. They don't appear to be slidable sticks, as on the 3DS, as they appear to be one solid nub on one solid hemi-sphere. Further, the hemi-sphere which would traditional be sunk under the casing in order to pivot is instead a single solid piece fused with the flat ring surrounding it, and thus can not pivot as a "real" stick would. Compare:


Ergo, simplest explanation.

There's a possibility Nintendo has designed some sort of elaborate, convex, sliding nub that sits on top of a hemi-spherical dome for seemingly no reason when they already have perfectly usable designs for analog sticks and sliding pads, but is that the simplest explanation?

The rumor specifically addresses this. The ball doesn't move as it would in a traditional analog stick, only the top nub. The previous rumor stated that the sticks themselves are haptic in some way so if we were to assume that they need space for the actuators which would be inside of the ball portion and so rumor 2 does partially corroborate this information.
 
Looks like the "screen' was made with this:

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Look how it looks different in color from the Wii U screen:

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LOL, it looks different because it's reflecting a black monitor over most of it's surface, if you notice the far left of the screen is almost the exact same colour as the WiiU screen which is reflecting a wall or ceiling (and is at a completely different angle) There's also a persons silhouette backlit by soft lighting on the right side, which is being reflected in the monitor next to it! the screen looks like glass, or very high quality plastic.
Honestly, I don't know about some peoples ability to discern in this thread.
 
63 pages, holy shit. Nintendo might not be selling consoles bit it surely spurs some debating around here always!

I think I'm in team fake because of how close this design is to the patent file. Isn't it always the case for design depictions in patent documents to be purposely generic and bland to allow to keep the real design under wraps?

I think they made an elliptic screen just to show the concept better but I HOPE that the final design will be much more ergonomic and comfortable with handles and so on.
May I point you to the patents for the SNES PlayStation. When that thing finally showed up, and the patents were discovered, they were exactly the same.
 
It says this in the OP:

To which my reply is the same as the first time:

"There's a possibility Nintendo has designed some sort of elaborate, convex, sliding nub that sits on top of a hemi-spherical dome for seemingly no reason when they already have perfectly usable designs for analog sticks and sliding pads, but is that the simplest explanation?"

and

"The sticks... are... some sort of strangely designed sliding nubs on top of hemi-spheres. Can you imagine the overly complex engineering that would require, when Nintendo already has designs for sliding nubs? And why, when they already have designs for sticks?

Half the reason for nubs is space conservation in a mobile design. What is the point of putting nubs on top of hemi-spheres?"

My point is that, as someone else was arguing, the simplest explanation is usually the best. And in this case, I argue that the simplest explanation is that it's a fake.


The previous rumor stated that the sticks themselves are haptic in some way so if we were to assume that they need space for the actuators which would be inside of the ball portion and so rumor 2 does partially corroborate this information.

The entire ball is required for haptics? Alright, at least it's a plausible argument, although the Steam controller is able to have haptics underneath a flat touch pad. This must be some crazy impressive stick haptics. Although you're not going to feel any touch sensitive haptics given the thick nub. So it could only be rumble and a bit of tension, something I can't see needing a tiny sliding nub on top of a sphere instead of just a regular nub or a regular stick.

I guess I'll remain skeptical for now.
 
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