NX Controller Rumor [Up5: Original was fake, and thus this is too]

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I mean, how can one play virtual console with that?
OK, Nintendo doesn't care about VC

There was a youtube video posted not too long ago on cool ways on how VC could work on a controller like this. The major question is how effective this touch screen is with mimicking the feel of real buttons. If they can (somehow) nail that, it will drastically reduce the complaints about the controller and opens up alot of effective possibilities.
 
I mean, the rumors suggest that they aren't taking buttons away, just using digital buttons combined with haptic feedback. So really the difference is going to be heavily dependent on how well the haptic feedback simulates a physical button if true. If it works well, it might be really, really cool since it might even let you do stuff like personally configure button layout on the controller

The alternatives are: 1) they went with a very expensive solution miles ahead of what Apple has in their top end iPhone devices (something you can feel the presence of before you tap it... see buttons raising from the touch screen as researched) or 2) they went with a version of Apple's 3D Touch haptic feedback which feels nothing like having a real button.

In any case the controller looks to be quite expensive again.
 
That kind of kills it for me. It's a beautiful prototype, fake or not, but it's not how I want to play Nintendo games.
I can see the no buttons thing too, because if they implement haptics in an engaging manner, it could be fine. But the d-pad needs to stay. For me, platformers and especially menu navigation are things I need to use the d-pad for. The instantaneous feedback of just clicking up or down instead of having to drag a stick up or down from the middle 6 times is just much better.

Maybe they'll do a pro controller again if this all shakes out to be like this. At least i'd hope so.
They wanted to kill the d-pad as far back as the Gamecube, so it wouldn't be that unprecedented.
That I didn't know, but given the placement of it on that controller, i'm not surprised.
I mean, how can one play virtual console with that?
OK, Nintendo doesn't care about VC
Yeah ;_;
& the Tijuana Brass.
Though the controller could just handle any setup if they use digital buttons. Not that I would ever play precision games with one though.

My thumbs are way too big for digital buttons that I would need to have them always sized really large so I don't accidentally hit 4 of them at the same time.
 
If the thing is real, it must be expensive... Which means we'll end up with a sub XBone power level.
With something like this, Nintendo wouldn't even need to try with big AAA western producers, only some indies would get devkits.
Which seems to be the case... :(
 
Still #TeamFake guys, I'm sorry. The tree detective work is too far fetched to be true and I won't believe it's not been planted by the guy who made it somewhere.

Nope, won't have it. I don't want to ignore another Nintendo console ;_;
 
Now they have to talk and show the damn thing. It would be stupid to let people freak out even more.

But we're talking about a company that find that is it is a good idea to remove buttons, so I don't know what to think.
If they want to target people who aren't hardcore gamers, removing buttons is smart. Me personally, I wouldn't have an issue. Nintendo wouldn't be so dumb they don't support things like the Pro Controller, and there are tons of games that don't need face-buttons. In fact with more and more games using dual-stick control-schemes, facebuttons are starting to feel outdated to me. Triggers/shoulder-buttons, clickable sticks etc can cover most controls you need quickly in the heat of action.
 
The alternatives are: 1) they went with a very expensive solution miles ahead of what Apple has in their top end iPhone devices (something you can feel the presence of before you tap it... see buttons raising from the touch screen as researched) or 2) they went with a version of Apple's 3D Touch haptic feedback which feels nothing like having a real button.

In any case the controller looks to be quite expensive again.

Yeah. That is why it would be beneficial for them for the next-gen portable to also be the controller. With that, there will be more flexibility with pricing. For example, there could be a portable/console combo SKU, a standalone portable/console controller SKU, and a cheaper Console + NX- pro controller SKU.
 
If they want to target people who aren't hardcore gamers, removing buttons is smart. Me personally, I wouldn't have an issue. Nintendo wouldn't be so dumb they don't support things like the Pro Controller, and there are tons of games that don't need face-buttons. In fact with more and more games using dual-stick control-schemes, facebuttons are starting to feel outdated to me. Triggers/shoulder-buttons, clickable sticks etc can cover most controls you need quickly in the heat of action.

Thing is that while it had issue, I liked using the GamePad as it was more than flexible enough for what it needed to do. Touchscreen, potentially one day you could have it multitouch and capacitive, but still useful buttons albeit no analog triggers. This does not add features, it just removes them in favour of a smartphone like interface.
 
Thing is that while it had issue, I liked using the GamePad as it was more than flexible enough for what it needed to do. Touchscreen, potentially one day you could have it multitouch and capacitive, but still useful buttons albeit no analog triggers. This does not add features, it just removes them in favour of a smartphone like interface.
I like the gamepad too but I could see why Nintendo would go more towards a streamlined controller. The hardcore still wanted to use Pro Controller/GCcontroller for most games. Why not still support those and have the 'main' controller be something that looks more inviting to non-gamers that are used to touchscreens?

Like I've said, which big Nintendo franchise absolutely requires face-buttons? Smash, and they're not gonna design a controller based on that alone. 3rd party games? Support Pro Controller. Easy.
 
Ok the Geno leak must be incorrect. Because that states that the NX is incredibly easy to develop for and takes little effort for third parties. Programming for/porting games to ...this.... Cannot possibly be "very easy" since you have to build the control layout yourself. Right?
 
#teamreal

it's one of the most elaborate fakes we have seen in the console/handheld gaming world if it's not. Too much lines up for me. Obviously not final hardware though.

Come, drink the coolaid with us.
 
Ok the Geno leak must be incorrect. Because that states that the NX is incredibly easy to develop for and takes little effort for third parties. Programming for/porting games to ...this.... Cannot possibly be "very easy" since you have to build the control layout yourself. Right?

I love comments like this, nobody knows nothing about how this thing really works. Who is to say there isn't a standard digital button layout that allows it to mimic the inputs available to other consoles? That would require no real work on behalf of the dev to "build a control layout" as this would be literally a standard pad just with digital buttons
 
I hope they realize they're alienating pretty much every traditional gamer in favour of mobile users - who aren't even interested in sitting down in front of a TV to play.

They think they'll cater to both markets with this thing, but they won't. If this is their plan, they'd best stick with handheld only.

I still think there's no way they're this stupid, and I didn't even think Wii U was a bad idea, so yeah.
 
Ok the Geno leak must be incorrect. Because that states that the NX is incredibly easy to develop for and takes little effort for third parties. Programming for/porting games to ...this.... Cannot possibly be "very easy" since you have to build the control layout yourself. Right?

I'm pretty sure that programming in controls is one of the simplest things, maybe barring complex movements like Street Fighter. Even if Nintendo doesn't provide standard control layouts, the work needed should be tiny compared to things like graphical concerns.
 
The real question is if it takes 5 minutes or 10 minutes to get Nintendo Hand Cramps™ using that controller.

#TEAM5min

Yeah, many people will play with claw hands to fit it and be able to use the scroll wheel which is too close to the edge.

I'm #Team7min
 
I love comments like this, nobody knows nothing about how this thing really works. Who is to say there isn't a standard digital button layout that allows it to mimic the inputs available to other consoles? That would require no real work on behalf of the dev to "build a control layout" as this would be literally a standard pad just with digital buttons

Sadly people don't understand that easy to port = console supports engines/dev tools that devs are using with minimal recoding. Input modifications are easy compared to getting the damn thing to compile and run on different hardware.

What? Devs are making games. Why should anyone be inclined to clean up Nintebdo's mess?

How are random pictures on Reddit somehow Nintendo's fault?
 
While I'm on Team Fake, I wonder why no other dev has reached out to the media anonymously to debunk this. I know they are under NDA but if it is not real, it wouldn't be a huge problem saying this (especially anonymously). This fact lends more truth to Team Real.

What? Devs are making games. Why should anyone be inclined to clean up Nintebdo's mess?
 
I hope they acknowledge the damage that can be done if they stay silent. Some people already have a bad opinion on the NX. I must admit I am one of them.
If this is real(and final) and it can do some damage, if it isn't real it doesn't matter. And a good, well-prepared reveal will be better than a rushed "oh crap it leaked okay here it is!" reveal anyway.
 
I've been saying since the Wii U came out that a touch screen is great for adding as many customizable buttons as you want, which can add to the gameplay while not adding too much development time to a game, but on the Gamepad, it was rarely used like that and buttons/panels on the screen often had aesthetics prioritized over functionality, meaning it is tough to press in the heat of the action without looking down at your hands. In a sense, placing a touch screen "button area" around the analog sticks make a lot of sense and if the idea was to additionally expand the borders of the game screen to include that "button area when it's not being utilized, that make for a cool aesthetic. This would make for both easy use of the Gamepad for additional functions, only made possible by a touch screen, as well as keeping the ability in more games for off-TV play. It basically combines the most common uses by both developers utilizing the Wii U Gamepad as well as the most common ways gamers would like to use it. I get what they could be going for with the design.

That being said, it does look a little small, not just to hold but the screen real estate (I know it's likely from a dev kit if real). This could change but it is a bummer, especially if it's not able to retain the same 16:9 aspect ratio uninterrupted by buttons (at least to a significant degree). The other thing is a lack of face buttons is really disappointing and while I don't know how they could have implemented the idea without ruining the aesthetic appeal and crowding the space, I was hoping for something that feels like a better compromise than haptic feedback. Even 4 tiny buttons on each side, the size a DSLite start/select button would have been something, but I suppose no buttons gives them more flexibility and works with more different sized hands. Besides, in combination with clickable scrollwheels, there are all sorts of new possibilities so I won't write it off just yet.

On the more worrying side, I'm concerned of developer response to the non-traditional set up will be considering how much they've rejected it in every generation from Nintendo; from when differences weren't as significant (Gamepad, GCN controller) to layouts that felt like too big a departure (N64 controller, Wii). Even if every button and action can be replicated or improved, the added development time, regardless of how small it might be, is just another excuse for 3rd parties to not bother with it or outright skip the console altogether. And besides the never ending (ughhh, not looking forward to this...) whining about gimmicks being forced that people don't want and a cries by gamers/journalists/developers/publishers for Nintendo to "prove" it's value at every turn (even when 3rd parties will ignore great applications with proven sales and gameplay potential when they do succeed at "proving" it), there is the matter of new controls adding to the cost of the console which likely means cost that is taken away from elsewhere (gamers mainly consider this to be a power compromise). As someone who enjoys Nintendo's innovations but does not enjoy the way they typically are received by others and how little they tend to be used organically, even if they are a success, I worry about this move. I don't even care as much about Nintendo having the most powerful hardware since I think the chips are stacked against them no matter how competitive they are (GCN says hello).

On the bright side, I doubt controller innovations are their big surprise here since I see this more as an evolution of the Gamepad than something meant to be brand new, I think they had to have learned at least that much from the Gamepad's luke warm reception, especially since these are lessons learned going back to the DS's touch screen usage. I would say this ruled out a handheld or a hybrid console but it does look oddly portable, it's both slim and sleek (unlike the gamepad or even the 3DSXL) and it has low profile analog sticks that make it much more easy to place in your pocket. The screen extending into the button area also is one way to maximize the screen size for a portable without making it too big (especially since you need space for the buttons as well which increases the width and thickness). Eyeballing this, it looks to be somewhere between the size of a 3DSXL top screen and a Gamepad (likely closer to the former), while the extra button area makes it even wider.

If this is true, I'm going to have to see more to really form an opinion on whether is is good or bad. This could even go beyond what people think of with consoles and handhelds or even what a hybrid of the two could be. I mean, assume there is some sort of on-board processing so you can play pretty simple games offline like VC but you can connect it to your console by wi-fi, even to the point where you are streaming from it away from home when you are connected to the internet (I remember reading from a dev that worked with Nintendo on the Wii U Gamepad wireless tech that it was technically possible to make an extender and even stream games over the internet if Nintendo wanted to implement that ability. Even if it makes it where you can bring it over to a friends house and have multiple people use their controllers with the console. The patent for the supplemental computing device could mean that processing could take place across multiple devices and across the internet and servers. I guess, it would open up all kinds of possibilities, if this were the case, it would just depend on how much computing power the controller would have on it's own and how much that would cost because having in in the same realm as a handheld (~$200) or a Wii U Gamepad (~$100? Not sure how much it costs to replace one) brings it's own problems regardless of the cool potential functionality. Again, I guess we'll have to just wait and see if this is true and what they have planned. E3 can't come soon enough, but not necessarily due to hype for me but due to concern Nintendo botches another console cycle.
 
I'm pretty bummed about this as of now, nothing beats physical buttons for me and my dislike of the tapping a screen mechanic is one of many things I hate about mobile gaming. Touchscreens have their uses, sure (I like the WiiU Gamepad screen), but the idea of controlling every aspect of every game with 2 sticks and a touch screen seems like something I'll never get used to/fully enjoy.

That said, I'm a nintendo diehard who has owned every console and currently play my WiiU way more than my ps4 or xbox, so......yeah I'm getting this. But I'm definitely not psyched right now.
 
I'm guessing more plastic accessories are indeed incoming. ;^)

Did some quick mocks...

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Great job! I could definitely live with a design like that :)

But we're looking at 2 or maybe 4 physical buttons (2 shoulder buttons and maybe 2 pressable sticks) and I think that's what's scary about this controller.
How would you even play a simple game like NES Super Mario Bros? Run on left shoulder, jump on right shoulder? It would work but feel very awkward. And as an iPhone owner I've already tried and dismissed touch buttons. Touch only work when the games are built from the ground up for those controls, with slide and point and click inputs rather than action buttons, kinda like Infinity Blade.

An adapter like that with physical buttons might work though but where would you put the buttons and still reach the sticks? Tricky.
 
I hope they acknowledge the damage that can be done if they stay silent. Some people already have a bad opinion on the NX. I must admit I am one of them.

Me too. Even if this thing is fake, I'm going to be pretty frustrated if Nintendo waits another 2+ months to say anything. Being a Nintendo fan has been really annoying lately. I kind of wish I just didn't care.
 
I'm starting to think the nubs are stuck on and are removable . Only the top part moves.
 
Now, IF the "no button" thing turns out to be true, I am not sure I want a monster hunter on that . Or a Bayonetta 3. Or a smash. Or a Mario Galaxy...

I have never been so unfaithful about a Nintendo console. I was ready to give Wii a chance, I found WiiU to be a stupid idea but not enough stupid to spoil the fun.

Now this. It alienates them the traditional console gamers (OMG NO BUTTONS!!!) AND I don't see how it would appeal to casual gamers who are already happy with their phone.

There will perhaps be an add-on to that, with buttons on it. Great, more add-ons.

I'm bitter, I want them to communicate, this situation is beyond stupid. The negativity has begun Nintendo. You know, the negativity that made WiiU a failure even before it was released.
 
Me too. Even if this thing is fake, I'm going to be pretty frustrated if Nintendo waits another 2+ months to say anything. Being a Nintendo fan has been really annoying lately. I kind of wish I just didn't care.

Thing is, back in the N64 days, Nintendo was known for being ultra tight-lipped. And, nearly every game was delayed. These days they are much more open.
 
If this is real(and final) and it can do some damage, if it isn't real it doesn't matter. And a good, well-prepared reveal will be better than a rushed "oh crap it leaked okay here it is!" reveal anyway.

A rushed reveal could be the worst thing for them to do, especially with how their mixed messaging with the Wii U really hurt them.

I was someone who maintains that the "is it a console?" Gamepad reveal and the outrage about keeping the Wii U name (or the confusion it could cause) were sort of "fake" controversies drummed up by gamers and game journos, but Nintendo's lack of traditional marketing for the console, their lackluster marketing campaign for the launch, their alienation of 3rd parties out the gate, their lack of communication to gamers and devs in vital circumstance, etc. all that stuff killed the Wii U. In that sense, it's bad that anyone could be confused about whether the Gamepad is a console or a controller since it wasn't clear enough, but how they responded to their mistakes were even worse than the mistakes themselves.

Whatever Nintendo does, I hope they are rock solid with their messaging, since that is something Sony and Mircosoft always manage to do, even when they are feeding people some bullshit promises they don't really intend to keep in the long run.
 
Thing is, back in the N64 days, Nintendo was known for being ultra tight-lipped. And, nearly every game was delayed. These days they are much more open.

I was around during those days, I know how they were.

This is 2016 though, so I don't really care about their lack of communication 20 years ago. I care about how they act now. And, as a fan, it's annoying as hell.
 
If this thing is real I'm pretty sure Nintendo is really doomed now
 
It's really good at simulating the macbook trackpad click. Dunno how well that will apply to traditional buttons, but it's good enough for the trackpad application that people don't believe me when I tell them "No, that's not an actual physical click."

Yes, it feels good, but it is not a replacement for a button just the replacement of what it would feel pressing it.
 
Me too. Even if this thing is fake, I'm going to be pretty frustrated if Nintendo waits another 2+ months to say anything. Being a Nintendo fan has been really annoying lately. I kind of wish I just didn't care.

Well.. If they ever say anything on the matter, it won't be until their fiscal year ends (a week from now) and even then.. I wouldn't be surprised if they remain silent until their Earnings Release that will take place on April 27.

I honestly don't expect to hear anything until the Earnings Release. The only way I can see Nintendo rushing an announcement or official statement about NX is if leaks (rumors) start getting out of hand like actual dev kit pics or specs but even then I'm not holding my breath.
 
I hope they acknowledge the damage that can be done if they stay silent. Some people already have a bad opinion on the NX. I must admit I am one of them.

Yeah but to be honest only the hardcore Nintendo fans care for these leaks. 99.5% of the gamers don't care for these things and are only raising their head, when the console will be official revealed.
 
Ok, what I don't quiet understand:
now we have two "seperate" leakers. Both of these leakers are risking basicly their entire financial life(jobs), reputations and chances to ever get the same job again?
really?
I mean, I'm pretty damn sure Nintendo knows to whom they gave NX dev kits and it can't be that hard to track those leakers down.

who in a right mind would do this? risking everything just for the lolz. and all of that a couple of months before it's official reveal.
THAT makes no sense to me

#teamfake
 
I really hope Nintendo just says something unless stuff like this they like because no matter what good or bad news is publicity for the NX.
 
I was around during those days, I know how they were.

This is 2016 though, so I don't really care about their lack of communication 20 years ago. I care about how they act now. And, as a fan, it's annoying as hell.

How is it annoying? They're going to reveal it at E3. You're not entitled to information just because you're antsy.

Christ what is it with people lately and demanding they fucking know everything immediately? Then they complain on why things take so long because they knew everything months or years before they should have.

Yeah but to be honest only the hardcore Nintendo fans care for these leaks. 99.5% of the gamers don't care for these things and are only raising their head, when the console will be official revealed.

Pretty much. No one gives a shit about unsubstantiated pictures except those that feel as if they have a stake in the console. It's not even trending on Facebook and everything trends on Facebook.
 
Me too. Even if this thing is fake, I'm going to be pretty frustrated if Nintendo waits another 2+ months to say anything. Being a Nintendo fan has been really annoying lately. I kind of wish I just didn't care.

Then don't. Get another console if you haven't already or better yet, a decent PC build for living room gaming. The latter will even provide the benefit of high res Wii emulator gaming.

There are myriads of games out there worth playing. If you get your "traditional mature (hard) core game"-whatever fix elsewhere, you will start to relax and see that Nintendo doesn't have to be at the forefront of console gaming with the biggest, most bad-ass, ultra traditional hard-core gaming box with all the games out there. That's a concept which has been done to death and will be done to death by competent manufactureres, without Nintendo even participating in the race.
 
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