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[gwiz210]

As long as all future ps4 games are in some way compatible with my current ps4 then we all good.

 

[Obliterator]

Could just be a bit of an upclock due to better cooling and a smaller die.

I dont get the vibe at all that is what Eurogamer is talking about. They flat out say its an evolved version of the APU in the PS4 and that it offers more GPU power. That does not sound like an up clock to me

 

[KOHIPEET]

This isn't the only, nor the most likely scenario. There are other ways to show a hardware's capabilities. Imo, they'll optimize for the older first and add extra effects to newer one. Similarly how it's done with Nvidia gameworks on PC.

 

[Yoday]

I would be among those that would be angry. Probably angry enough to just bail on this gen and stick with my PC.

Because they never advertise games using the high spec on PC, and PCs definitely never have new hardware released that improves visuals or performance.

Seriously though, console games have been marketed using high end PC footage for years, and moving from consoles to PCs because better hardware is released is backwards as hell. If you're already a PC gamer then it's a mute point, but I constantly see people saying this. If new hardware bothers you then the PC is definitely not the place you want to be.

Some of the short sighted views and knee jerk reactions in these threads have been driving me nuts. MS and Sony have their work cut out for them if they are to adequately explain this new way of things. They really need to consider a very focused and message heavy announcement before E3. If this is an announcement done in a few minutes during an E3 media briefing they are going to create a lot of confusion and be forced to explain this while trying to talk about everything else going on at E3. This needs to be an April or May announcement that allows them enough time to respond to the onslaught of questions and rage that will inevitably happeen.

 

[onQ123]

Not happening with console if you also expect it to be;
A) Smaller than desktop PC case
B) Console priced and not very high end gaming PC priced

 

[zsynqx]

Regardless of what the new system is it will have the same internal architecture of the current PS4 but with just upgraded specs.

This would give consumers two options:

-Buy the cheaper current model and still enjoy all PS4 games.
-Buy the new system that upgrades games slightly(30fps-60fps and so on)

Sony isn't cutting the market in half

But how do we know they won't design the new games first and foremost for the ps4.5, leaving the ps4 version with sub 1080 and so on.

 

[Apathy]

I think it's just option 3. Like when a slim version of s console just got a redesign and a new version of a port was added for example. Like when the 360 got redesigned and a new drive was put in.

 

[Krisprolls]

The number of people that want iterative consoles scares me.

Consoles are basically PCs nowadays. Why not go allin ? Makes sense both for Sony and for the players.

You get nearly the same flexibility than PC but plug and play and with every game optimized for a few closed specs the devs know (unlike on PC).

Basic PS4 owners lose nothing, every game keeps getting optimized for the basic model.

 

[joecanada]

I got into PC knowing there was an upgrade path. I am sitting on my 670 waiting for Pascal because I know Pascal is coming out at some time this year.

With my PS4 I thought that it was going to be the only PS4 that would be released outside of Slim models but not a different spec configuration so I bought one. Had I known that the launch PS4 would be worse specs than one being released perhaps this year I would have waited and purchased this one. Not really some perverse line of thinking. They changed the way things have worked since the inception of consoles after the product was released. I don't see why anyone is puzzled as to why some would be angry over this.

So trade in your old console for a new one. Demand for old consoles will still be high. I am indeed puzzled this is great news as hopefully the old ps4 will lose some value meaning more people can jump in. Meanwhile enthusiasts can go get the new one if they want. It's win, win.
I am always a wait and see so it's fine for me I'll keep my old ps4 see what happens. the majority of posts against this read just like sour grapes. Plus it's probably just a PS4 slim with 4K so who cares. Were you mad when 360 released a wifi version with bigger HD too? Features get added all the time. If a feature was better GPU who cares. If you really care then just sell your ps4 and get it. Otherwise don't.

 

[Hahs]

blah, blah, hooplah....!!!!!.....How much does Sony want for the damn thing?

Come to think of it - I believed Sony planned this from the get-go; The way it's breaking out the chainz makes it seem like even Sony didn't know they were going to make a 4K compatible console - yeah - fuckin' - right, Sony.

From day one they were probably like: "Let's make a base model; get that out for a few years... and then! We make the 4K model!

Well damn-it, I still want one, and freakin' much?!

 

[Obliterator]

Either way we won't have to wait long. EG said they are working on finding out the actual console specs so we shouldn't have to hypothesize for too long.

I wonder who will unveil it first. Kotaku or EG

 

[KOHIPEET]

Either way we won't have to wait long. EG said theybaee working on finding out the actual console specs so we shouldn't have to hypothesize for too long.

I wonder who will unveil it first. Kotaku or EG

So funny Sony isn't even an option. I like these times.

 

[Nocturno999]

Who has a 4K TV? Where is the 4K home video and streaming content?

Who is this device for?

Dont worry, marketers will gladly open our eyes eventually.

A lot of movies werent originally made at such high resolutions so I dont even now how publishers will solve this.

Its appealing that consoles can finally run at 1080 60 FPS (4k not going to happen( but I doubt the graphical jump will be significant at all.

 

[c0de]

Yeah, because probably it's offloaded to a dedicated chip. There are smartphones that can decode 4k and they all run passive. Still impressive that the chip itself was passively cooled but without clock-rates and additional info, this doesn't tell much.

 

[Gunslinger]

Opinion 3 in op makes the most sense to me.

 

[Wishmaster92]

So what ? I already have to buy a new console to play next Naughty Dog game ?


Fuck this.

 

[qa_engineer]

But how do we know they won't design the new games first and foremost for the ps4.5, leaving the ps4 version with sub 1080 and so on.

Because doing so is committing mindshare suicide, theyre essentially digging an early grave for the PS4K if that is the case. If people on a forum have this figured out you would think a company in the business of making money have a firm grasp on this as well.

 

[Obliterator]

So funny Sony isn't even an option. I like these times.

Im assuming their plan is to announce at E3 and Kotaku / EG will likely know the specs long before that

 

[zsynqx]

Because doing so is committing mind share suicide. If people on a forum have this figured out you would think a company in the business of making money have a firm grasp on this as well.

Lol let us hope

 

[888]

Perhaps this is all an April fools joke setup. Unless this is just a plan for a 4k upscaler. I don't see them running with two different consoles power wise.

 

[KOHIPEET]

Im assuming their plan is to announce at E3 and Kotaku / EG will likely know the specs long before that

Yea I assume that too. I just find it funny, how it will be "announced" at e3 that's all.

 

[RoboPlato]

I dont get the vibe at all that is what Eurogamer is talking about. They flat out say its an evolved version of the APU in the PS4 and that it offers more GPU power. That does not sound like an up clock to me

Could be based on a new process. There's a lot of variables up in the air.

Because doing so is committing mindshare suicide, theyre essentially digging an early grave for the PS4K if that is the case. If people on a forum have this figured out you would think a company in the business of making money have a firm grasp on this as well.

Yeah

Remember if they're talking to devs they want to nake sure that the process is emas easy for them as possible and devs don't want more spec targets. An OS level 4k reprojection for 1080p games, slightly more stable framerates, and minor stuff like tweaks to pop in and shadows are what I'm expecting.

 

[Obliterator]

Could be based on a new process. There's a lot of variables up in the air.

Sure but Eurogamer explicitly states there is more power in this GPU. Again could be nothing more than an up clock or something but the way they state it sure makes it sound like an actual new APU

 

[mckmas8808]

Please no. Give me 5-6 year console releases, but with more substantial advancements in tech and performance with each new system, similar to what we've already been getting.

But wouldn't a 7 year console cycle with a mid gen jump at the 4 year mark even better than a 5 year console cycle?

 

[Iztok Mravlja]

Dont worry, marketers will gladly open our eyes eventually.

A lot of movies werent originally made at such high resolutions so I dont even now how publishers will solve this.

Its appealing that consoles can finally run at 1080 60 FPS (4k not going to happen( but I doubt the graphical jump will be significant at all.

This has been said before, but it's important; there's no guarantee developers will use any extra horsepower to boost FPS. It's far more likely they'll push for more fidelity - case in point, the current generation compared to the previous one.

 

[Bl4ckSunsh1n3]

Because they never advertise games using the high spec on PC, and PCs definitely never have new hardware released that improves visuals or performance.

Seriously though, console games have been marketed using high end PC footage for years, and moving from consoles to PCs because better hardware is released is backwards as hell. If you're already a PC gamer then it's a mute point, but I constantly see people saying this. If new hardware bothers you then the PC is definitely not the place you want to be.

Some of the short sighted views and knee jerk reactions in these threads have been driving me nuts. MS and Sony have their work cut out for them if they are to adequately explain this new way of things. They really need to consider a very focused and message heavy announcement before E3. If this is an announcement done in a few minutes during an E3 media briefing they are going to create a lot of confusion and be forced to explain this while trying to talk about everything else going on at E3. This needs to be an April or May announcement that allows them enough time to respond to the onslaught of questions and rage that will inevitably happeen.

If you read my other replies to this you'd see that I am a PC gamer and have been longer than a console gamer. You'll also see why this would make me angry.

It does make sense when you consider what both of them are. You go into PC gaming knowing you'll be upgrading. I also love tinkering with hardware on my own. I've been a PC gamer longer than a console one and if I'm forced to choose one way or the other I'm always going PC.

Consumers buy into consoles in part for the life cycle. They'll be able to play the top games for many years. Most of them won't care about the PS4 upgrade. I'm a snob though so I will be angry if I'm not getting the best performance. Basically, I didn't buy a PS4 day one to have to upgrade in 3 years for a better one. I also didn't buy one to have the lesser experience on Playstation in 3 years.

Beyond that, I'm not paying to upgrade a PC and a console. I can if I want to but, I don't want so I won't. Where does it end? We get the PS4, 3 years later we get the PS 4.5, 3 years later we get the PS5, 3 years later we get the PS5.5? If that's the case then people will have to fully devote their money to Sony hardware because gaming on Playstation will be way more costly than what console users are used to. At that point you can get a better experience on PC for the same cost. The biggest advantage of console gaming over PC gaming is essentially eliminated.

 

[patapuf]

Wasn't this the concensus about what this thing is all along?

I mean, it's what made the most sense to me, I never took any of this 4k gaming for $400 seriously.

Yeah.

It's aparently more than just a scaler ect. since it has a new GPU. but it's not going to be a machine for gaming at 4k either. Not for 400$

We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Nikodemos]

I dont get the vibe at all that is what Eurogamer is talking about. They flat out say its an evolved version of the APU in the PS4 and that it offers more GPU power. That does not sound like an up clock to me

Except there aren't many ways to do that. Sure you could better rejigger some of the stuff around on the die, to take advantage of process and design improvements, but that's as far as you'd get on the GPU side. CPU side you could replace the original Jaguars with Puma cores, since they're the same size, but what this would get you is mostly higher clocks (since Jaguar upclocks very poorly).

What this theoretical PS4 Mk. II would benefit from most is higher clocks for the same heat output, say 2 GHz for the CPU and 1 GHz for the GPU. That's where most of the performance improvements could (again, theoretically) come from, rather than some nebulously-described new technology being added.

But frankly I'm not convinced Sony would go even that far. It's a non-insignificant platform commitment that changes devtime considerably.

 

[Obliterator]

Except there aren't many ways to do that. Sure you could better rejigger some of the stuff around on the die, to take advantage of process and design improvements, but that's as far as you'd get on the GPU side. CPU side you could replace the original Jaguars with Puma cores, since they're the same size, but what this would get you is mostly higher clocks (since Jaguar upclocks very poorly).

What this theoretical PS4 Mk. II would benefit from most is higher clocks for the same heat output, say 2 GHz for the CPU and 1 GHz for the GPU. That's where most of the performance improvements could (again, theoretically) come from, rather than some nebulously-described new technology being added.

You could put an entirely different GPU in it....

Not saying they will but sure you could, and you wouldn't even raise the power draw on it

 

[jett]

So what ? I already have to buy a new console to play next Naughty Dog game ?


Fuck this.

Nah bruh.

But you'll need a new console if you don't want play the next Noddy Dawg game at 900p with a 20fps~ framerate.

 

[Nikodemos]

You could put an entirely different GPU in it....

Not really. Not unless you completely redesign the (highly custom) APU die.

Which there's no way Sony will consider it.

 

[RoboPlato]

Except there aren't many ways to do that. Sure you could better rejigger some of the stuff around on the die, to take advantage of process and design improvements, but that's as far as you'd get on the GPU side. CPU side you could replace the original Jaguars with Puma cores, since they're the same size, but what this would get you is mostly higher clocks (since Jaguar upclocks very poorly).

What this theoretical PS4 Mk. II would benefit from most is higher clocks for the same heat output, say 2 GHz for the CPU and 1 GHz for the GPU. That's where most of the performance improvements could (again, theoretically) come from, rather than some nebulously-described new technology being added.

But frankly I'm not convinced Sony would go even that far. It's a non-insignificant platform commitment that changes devtime considerably.

My exact guess at the max power difference as well.

 

[Obliterator]

Not really. Not unless you completely redesign the (highly custom) APU die.

And the article states that may be exactly whats going on

We can say that with some degree of certainty because PlayStation 4K will almost certainly use an evolved version of the APU technology used in the current console. Once again we will see semi-custom versions of AMD's CPU and GPU technology integrated into a single, console-friendly processor

If it was just an up clock they would say, its an up clock. They go out of their way to say they are designing a new processor

 

[wonderful103]

But wouldn't a 7 year console cycle with a mid gen jump at the 4 year mark even better than a 5 year console cycle?

The concept of cycles/generations as you knew them is now dead

Yeah.

It's aparently more than just a scaler ect. since it has a new GPU. but it's not going to be a machine for gaming at 4k either. Not for 400$

We'll have to wait and see.

It doesn't have to run your typical Aaa game at 4K

 

[onQ123]

Yeah, because probably it's offloaded to a dedicated chip. There are smartphones that can decode 4k and they all run passive. Still impressive that the chip itself was passively cooled but without clock-rates and additional info, this doesn't tell much.

I don't think he is talking about a video.

 

[qa_engineer]

If it is in fact a new APU then it most definitely is a Polaris 11 part with GDDR5 or GDDR5X. No way around it given the small form factor, heat, and tdp requirements. If they release this product a 399.99-449.99 and drop the price of the PS4 standard model then we're in business

 

[CrispyBoar]

I wonder if it would be releasing anytime soon, it would be good for those like myself who have yet to own a PS4.

No one actually thought that they'd be able to play current gen games at 4K right?

I don't. It'll be impossible to, especially given that it would most likely drive up development costs just to have games in Native 4K.

Most publishers will have their developers output most games in Native 1080p/60 FPS instead.

 

[Goodacre0081]

Gamers are used to 5+ years generations this move changes the rules of the game. It might work but it is still a gamble by Sony since it will make a percentage of early adopters disappointed. The question is if these customers will buy the PS5.

i don't really think they are. you might say they are used to it because the last one dragged on for so long and its fresh in our memory.

 

[HonMirin]

blah, blah, hooplah....!!!!!.....How much does Sony want for the damn thing?

Come to think of it - I believed Sony planned this from the get-go; The way it's breaking out the chainz makes it seem like even Sony didn't know they were going to make a 4K compatible console - yeah - fuckin' - right, Sony.

From day one they were probably like: "Let's make a base model; get that out for a few years... and then! We make the 4K model!

Well damn-it, I still want one, and freakin' much?!

I agree with this. Sort of. Certainly they were looking at a mini/slim version for later on in the generation, but perhaps they looked at the smaller hardware and more efficient solutions since the release of the original PS4, and thought there might be a way to implement optimised tech to run 4K.

Either way, I certainly want one. I've been meaning to get another 1, maybe 2 for my place. One of those would be the new model for sure.

 

[c0de]

I don't think he is talking about a video.

ooops, misread VR with Video

 

[The Artisan]

Hmmmm. Not sure how I feel about this.

I don't like it.

I mean, Ps3 was 3D ready through an update. Couldn't the same be done with Ps4 and 4K?

 

[joms5]

They better consider how adding new hardware affects heat and airflow in the case. Wouldn't want a 360 situation all over again.

I'm sure they've done this but you never know.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

I don't like it.

I mean, Ps3 was 3D ready through an update. Couldn't the same be done with Ps4 and 4K?

No. Current PS4 can't support proper 4K at a hardware level. Needs HDMI 2.0

 

[qa_engineer]

They better consider how adding new hardware affects heat and airflow in the case. Wouldn't want a 360 situation all over again.

I'm sure they've done this but you never know.

No way. They're just going to wing it because this isn't a multi billion dollar generating product or anything.

 

[Newboi]

Designing a new processor for a mild console update in the middle of the generation sounds ludicrous! It doesn't make any financial sense for Sony to do that. There's also the issue that any major APU redesign would have to have been decided and planned for several years in advance. I think this will just be a PS4 slim with updated media capabilities.


"Upgraded VR" sounds weird to me too as the framerate requirements are incredibly strict, and must conform to the original iteration of the PS4. The game either has to be designed to run at 45 fps and reprojected to 90fps, run at 60 fps and reprojected to 120 fps, or run at 90 fps straight out (correction for this below). Providing enough of a boost in hardware capability to allow any existing PSVR titles to run at 90fps outright, that didn't before, would require a huge upgrade. The only sensible modification in my eyes would be to bundle the breakout box hardware directly onto the PS4 motherboard.

Edit: It seems the current VR specification is 60 fps re-projected to 120fps, 90 fps outright, or 120 fps outright. sorry for any confusion.

 

[Tagyhag]

A 4K output PS4 was the only reasonable guess. And something that I'd be fine with. You'd have to know jack shit about technology to think you'd be playing Uncharted 4 at 4K natively on it.

Consoles are basically PCs nowadays. Why not go allin ? Makes sense both for Sony and for the players.

You get nearly the same flexibility than PC but plug and play and with every game optimized for a few closed specs the devs know (unlike on PC).

Yeah...Nearly. So many options...

 

[Obliterator]

To those wondering why the console leader would decide to upgrade mid generation, something worth remembering is that Patrick who broke this entire story from Kotaku said that hes been hearing rumblings of a more powerful Xbox for a while now. If Sony knows there is a more powerful Xbox on the way its advantageous for them to keep up

 

[MaDKaT]

Designing a new processor for a mild console update in the middle of the generation sounds ludicrous! It doesn't make any financial sense for Sony to do that. There's also the issue that any major APU redesign would have to have been decided and planned for several years in advance. I think this will just be a PS4 slim with updated media capabilities.


"Upgraded VR" sounds weird to me too as the framerate requirements are incredibly strict, and must confirm to the original iteration of the PS4. The game either has to be designed to run at 45 fps and reprojected to 90fps, run at 60 fps and reprojected to 120 fps, or run at 90 fps straight out. Providing enough of a boost in hardware capability to allow any existing PSVR titles to run at 90fps outright that didn't before would require a huge upgrade. The only sensible modification in my eyes would be to bundle the breakout box hardware directly onto the PS4 motherboard.

60 > 120
120 > 120
and 90 only

The possible upgrade certainly has me reconsidering PSVR. I need details

 

[Goodacre0081]

I keep seeing talk about this new revision will negate the need for the PSVR breakout box. are we gong to see another SKU for that too? it might start to look confusing for the consumers.

PS4
PS4K
PSVR
PSVR (minus the breakoutbox)

I guess one way around that is to discontinue the OG PS4 and eventually the need for the breakout box will die off, leaving one console and headset.

 

[Fisty]

It would only take one word to get me to upgrade to a PS4K

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SATAIII