encephalon
Member
The "teenager" confusion might arise from the fact that Japan doesn't view people as adults until 20. But I could be wrong.
Star Ocean 5 character gets less-sexy underwear 'in Fear of Western Criticism'
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Indeed, that translation is a bit wonky all over the place.
Not really confusion. You're a "teen" until 20 in every country.
"teen" and underage are different things.
YoYo Switch
Banned
the screaming unreasonable japanese hate mob are right tho
it's not about seeing panties. it's about the principle of the thing
also, let people enjoy their fake anime panties, you weren't gonna buy it anyway
this is all i post about anymore. it's all I'm passionate about. i just get so mad. why are you trying to kill our boners gaf
it's not about seeing panties. it's about the principle of the thing
also, let people enjoy their fake anime panties, you weren't gonna buy it anyway
this is all i post about anymore. it's all I'm passionate about. i just get so mad. why are you trying to kill our boners gaf
That and the Christmas Cake stigma in Japan for women.
It's almost as funny as the explanation for diamond mage design.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
I'd argue for dropping the third panel and keeping the fourth.
encephalon
Member
Nominally, but often people are referred to as adults when they hit 18.
chaobreaker
Member
What a hill to die on indeed:
Information. You should seek some. It helps.
Well shit, I guess I should have known better than to play the 'ol anime girl age guessing game.
Are highschool cheerleaders not teenagers?! Still, who ever said that probably got the idea from checking teenagers instagram accounts.
texhnolyze
Banned
In my country, people get an ID card and can get a driver license at the age of 17.
encephalon
Member
Values.
I don't see why they had to change ANY version. Especially when Final Fantasy XIV proudly displays skimpy panties all over the place.
The weirdest thing in this kind of change is the absolute lack of consistency.
FlutterPuffs
Member
What a hill to die on indeed:
Information. You should seek some. It helps.
Oh wow 18.
That changes everything.
packy34
Member
I'm talking about violence relative to sexuality. Compared to how both issues are discussed and perceived in the west... No, nobody gives a shit about violence.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Koei Tecmo doesnt consort with foreigners
In the meanwhile enjoy your drive by posting game.
PreyingShark
Member
It'd be something like "Westerners' values are seriously impossible to understand", yeah.
Understandable though. Well not the extreme reaction (and its unfortunate that this is the example used to fight the fight), but in general terms I'd be annoyed if my counties culture products were being modified in the original simply because of different cultural values of other countries.
It seems to me that its one thing to modify localised versions sold in other countries, its something different to have the originals changed because of cultural differences.
I guess this comes with Japan being weak in terms of the game market, hence why you wouldn't seen the level of violence in games trimmed in the US because of foreign concerns.
Can you elaborate on what your point is, I'm genuinely confused
/s?
admiralsandwich
Neo Member
That's actually not entirely true. The minimum allowable age is 13 which basically means sex with someone under is automatically stat rape, otherwise prefectures choose their own. Most select ages around 16-18, much like the United States.
TBH it's ridiculous to alter her panties, but it's also pointless to get upset about the change in my eyes. Then again if I want to see upskirts, I'll just google for em. Don't need em in Star Ocean.
Plus, tity witch is where it's at anyway.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
CertifiedFP
Member
Square just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Star Ocean 5 for either system, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square has alienated an entire market with this move.
Square, publicly apologize and do not consort with foreigners or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Star Ocean 5 for either system, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square has alienated an entire market with this move.
Square, publicly apologize and do not consort with foreigners or you can kiss your business goodbye.
You don't even have to touch violence. Just look at how women generally portrayed in music videos.
It surely changes the "underaged girls" allegation.
Incidentally, Star Ocean 5 goes quite high in the age range, most of its characters are quite a lot older than the average JRPG cast.
encephalon
Member
Violence in games stems from conflict being the centerpiece of most games.
Square Enix just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese otaku culture (I'm an expert), but pantsu and 1000 years old girls who look underaged are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by twerking like Miley Cyrus. If you screw up panties in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Star Ocean V for the PS4, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square Enix has alienated cringey otaku with this move.
Square Enix, publicly apologize and make the panties g-string or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese otaku culture (I'm an expert), but pantsu and 1000 years old girls who look underaged are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by twerking like Miley Cyrus. If you screw up panties in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Star Ocean V for the PS4, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square Enix has alienated cringey otaku with this move.
Square Enix, publicly apologize and make the panties g-string or you can kiss your business goodbye.
You don't think it's understandable to be turned off a product when it's clear the people behind it had so little faith in their work and regard for their fans that they're fully willing to butcher core content just because of the fear of backlash from a minority within a single market?
texhnolyze
Banned
18 is adult.
encephalon
Member
No. But there's two ways to say "foreigner," and they chose the rude one.
"Core content?" "Butcher?" Lol.
The surface area of skin that's covered is slightly more than before.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
+1 vote for that OT title.
Encompasses anyone not born in glorious nippon.
Amauri14
Member
Don't you think that it would have been a better idea to release a modified version of the game for the west. That way they avoid been slaughter by Amazon reviewers.
LOL
I agree with this.
And this one is hilarious.
LOL
I agree with this.
And this one is hilarious.
KirbYuuYuu
Member
I mean it's probably the same reason "They didn't give a shit".
Which I don't really care if it's their answer.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Ok.
Why does that make the sexualzation or sexism not ok to talk about?
TatteredHat
Member
Honestly though if my country's product was changed on the domestic market for fear of backlash from a foreign market I'd be pretty salty too.
I don't think you really know what you're saying here
It's getting really hard to tell if serious or not with theses kind of posts.
Tizoc
Member
But she Looks underaged /kappa
texhnolyze
Banned
What if this is their scheme for a free marketing?
Lots of gaming websites will cover this story.
Lots of gaming websites will cover this story.
SixMachine
Member
Even though this post is tongue in cheek, it is sort of sad that they fear releasing it over here. It was really strange with that Destructoid import review. Their preview for the review already seemed they went at it with a really immature mindset and felt like they just got the game to blast it. They even doubled down on it after the fact when people even on GAF spoke out against the review (the reviewer is also a gaffer). It was really strange that the Christian game site that reviewed DOAX3 seemed to go at it a much more critical and analytical angle than Destructoid, which is basically a mainstream gaming site.
edit: Well I shouldn't say much more analytical, since these things are only one page. But there was a large difference in tone.
chaobreaker
Member
Guess how old she is
If you have to ask then it's over a thousand years old minumum.
Please don't tell me her actual age if it's a spoiler I want to play Xenoblade in the future.
admiralsandwich
Neo Member
People feel REALLY strongly about anime panties, I guess...