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[injurai]

It doesn't invalidate the fact that it's still a terrible game.

Found the imperial scum.

 

[Alcotholic]

I was.
I find it strange that people assume that a characters panties are important to me or something like that when I complain and/or choose to not buy games due to changes like this. Its not that I think someone's panties are important or even clothing in general are important. I've done this for many games in the past (FE Fates/Awakening, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Fatal Frame 5, Bravely Default) as well that I was interested or even excited for. Its actually that I'm incredibly disappointed that I won't be buying these games (and now Star Ocean 5). It sucks, because I really want to play it. But I cannot bring myself to support any game that gets content cut or edited from it either post-release or out of fear of how people would react. I feel as if its harmful to the game industry as a whole, and is more about the principle of the thing to me than really the content itself. Its almost never really about the content itself.

But what if they never thought to give the character skimpy underwear? What if they initially designed her with shorts under her skirt? Would you be upset, because the japanese have to meet some sort of standard for fanservice?

As a previous poster stated. Developers make a lot of changes we never hear about. They just happen to mention this one and all the guys who like upskirt shots are upset now.

 

[AESplusF]

I was.
I find it strange that people assume that a characters panties are important to me or something like that when I complain and/or choose to not buy games due to changes like this. Its not that I think someone's panties are important or even clothing in general are important. I've done this for many games in the past (FE Fates/Awakening, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Fatal Frame 5, Bravely Default) as well that I was interested or even excited for. Its actually that I'm incredibly disappointed that I won't be buying these games (and now Star Ocean 5). It sucks, because I really want to play it. But I cannot bring myself to support any game that gets content cut or edited from it either post-release or out of fear of how people would react. I feel as if its harmful to the game industry as a whole, and is more about the principle of the thing to me than really the content itself. Its almost never really about the content itself.

You should still buy the games that you want to buy, you're not making a difference.

You're refusing to support the genre, the game, and the developer for petty reasons.

And you're denying yourself a good time.

 

[Aaron D.]

Sure, actual assholes use the term, but I think it's a valid shorthand for "people who take it too far." Obviously, one needs to explain it beyond that when they use the term, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the term.

No, it's shorthand for people who want to see equality for all race, color, gender-identity & creed...used as a slur by those who want to discredit them in the name of continuing to exploit said groups.

It's an identity-moniker that states your position in shorthand on equality issues.

 

[Volphied]

I was.
I find it strange that people assume that a characters panties are important to me or something like that when I complain and/or choose to not buy games due to changes like this. Its not that I think someone's panties are important or even clothing in general are important. I've done this for many games in the past (FE Fates/Awakening, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Fatal Frame 5, Bravely Default) as well that I was interested or even excited for. Its actually that I'm incredibly disappointed that I won't be buying these games (and now Star Ocean 5). It sucks, because I really want to play it. But I cannot bring myself to support any game that gets content cut or edited from it either post-release or out of fear of how people would react. I feel as if its harmful to the game industry as a whole, and is more about the principle of the thing to me than really the content itself. Its almost never really about the content itself.

I'm pretty sure you've played tons of games that had content changed post release without even knowing it, and enjoyed them.

This ridiculously small edit is not "harmful to the industry", not when the same industry produced before games with much, much more sever editing during localization, and we survived that dark age.

But whatever, your loss. Enjoy your quixotic quest for unedited panties.

 

[PtM]

I grow weary of the games I'm interested in getting edited or censored in ways due to those uncomfortable with such content in the West.

Star Ocean 5 is another game added to the list of games I'm not buying I guess.

How's that sex strike going so far?

 

[Battlechili]

But what if they never thought to give the character skimpy underwear? What if they initially designed her with shorts under her skirt? Would you be upset, because the japanese have to meet some sort of standard for fanservice?

As a previous poster stated. Developers make a lot of changes we never hear about. They just happen to mention this one and all the guys who like upskirt shots are upset now.

I wouldn't be upset at all. If this was how it was to begin with, I'd still be hyped for the game. And if the game changed because the developers thought that changing this would make the game better (and not because of the complaint or fear of complaint from others), I still wouldn't mind. After all, games change during development all the time. Its the reason for changes that interests me.

you know, a lot of games have a lot of things cut in fear of how people will react. we just don't hear about it. you probably shouldn't buy any games then.

I just won't buy any games where I hear of it about it is all.
I'm not going to out a game based on conjecture; that would be unfair.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

No, it's shorthand for people who want to see equality for all race, color, gender-identity & creed...used as a slur by those who want to discredit them in the name of continuing to exploit said groups.

It's an identity-moniker that states your position in shorthand on equality issues.

Sigh. This is why I usually stay out of the reductive "us vs. them" nonsense. Fine, whatever. Do you, man.

 

[Man Called Aerodynamics]

Seems fishy that games like Senran Kagura can come over to the U.S. unscathed, but they felt the need to make this particular change to avoid controversy? No one would have cared about this had the devs not made it an issue themselves.

 

[Puck Beaverton]

The whole point of anime games is to perv on the girls. Why would I even buy this now?

 

[Nyoro SF]

Phew, sudden flurry of Square Enix USA employees in here. Chill guys.

Seems fishy that games like Senran Kagura can come over to the U.S. unscathed, but they felt the need to make this particular change to avoid controversy? No one would have cared about this had the devs not made it an issue themselves.

Senran's "purpose" is very clear-cut, so making changes due to Western feedback would be very foolish

 

[Palculator]

Nope! But that's kind of irrelevant to the

part of DOAX. As a product, it does what it's supposed to do - but since it's indeed a video game, some people are bound to judge it as such.

You're not making any sense. There's more to a game than the pure interactive parts stripped from all surrounding elements like music, graphics, characters and such. The distinction between "game" and "product" is absolutely useless because there is no video game that doesn't have supporting elements to its abstract mechanics.

And I don't think someone who hates fanservice and hasn't played DOAX3 is in any position to judge its quality as a game. That's like asking a celibate nun about sex.

 

[hawk2025]

I was.
I find it strange that people assume that a characters panties are important to me or something like that when I complain and/or choose to not buy games due to changes like this. Its not that I think someone's panties are important or even clothing in general are important. I've done this for many games in the past (FE Fates/Awakening, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Fatal Frame 5, Bravely Default) as well that I was interested or even excited for. Its actually that I'm incredibly disappointed that I won't be buying these games (and now Star Ocean 5). It sucks, because I really want to play it. But I cannot bring myself to support any game that gets content cut or edited from it either post-release or out of fear of how people would react. I feel as if its harmful to the game industry as a whole, and is more about the principle of the thing to me than really the content itself. Its almost never really about the content itself.

That makes no sense, sorry, and still remains a really weird hill to plant your flag on.

 

[Snkfanatic]

The whole point of anime games is to perv on the girls. Why would I even buy this now?

Yeah that's the entire point all right. It's the only reason anyone watches anime or plays "anime games"

 

[Green Mamba]

I just won't buy any games where I hear of it about it is all.

You could just plug your ears and sing "lalalala" whenever changes are brought up and your quest would be just as effective.

 

[Alcotholic]

I wouldn't be upset at all. If this was how it was to begin with, I'd still be hyped for the game. And if the game changed because the developers thought that changing this would make the game better (and not because of the complaint or fear of complaint from others), I still wouldn't mind. After all, games change during development all the time. Its the reason for changes that interests me.

I dont understand

 

[Aaron D.]

Sigh. This is why I usually stay out of the reductive "us vs. them" nonsense. Fine, whatever. Do you, man.

Dismissively blowing off my sentiment doesn't change its reality.

 

[CrispyBoar]

It seems rather silly to me to censor a teenage characters sexy underwear when I can literally boot up Mortal Kombat X and tear a persons head off and bowl with it in full HD.

I mean really.

American culture is fucked up.

Blood & Gore: fine

Nipples and sex: please no

That's exactly what I said earlier.

Japanese 3rd party publishers should just ignore the ridiculous critism from the west altogether & do what they want. It's their games.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Sigh. This is why I usually stay out of the reductive "us vs. them" nonsense. Fine, whatever. Do you, man.

I mean if by "us vs them" you mean sensible people vs a group of bigots then yes it's pretty nonsensical.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

The only thing that bothers me about this is that they should have spent that time fixing her damn face instead

 

[AESplusF]

Dismissively blowing off my sentiment doesn't change its reality.

The fact that you equate your opinion to reality proves that you're not worth arguing with.

 

[Palculator]

The only thing that bothers me about this is that they should have spent that time fixing her damn face instead

Rude!

 

[Alcotholic]

That's exactly what I said earlier.

Japanese 3rd party publishers should just ignore the ridiculous critism from the west altogether & do what they want. It's their games.

I dont think its the sex and nudity as much as sexualizing kids or people who look like kids.
A good example of a sexualized character that (i believe western culture approved of) was Catherine.

 

[DannyDanger]

Too bad they announced this b4 launch, seems like nobody really cared

This game seemed to be getting nothing but good reactions everywhere i looked

 

[Mxrz]

Meanwhile, on MTV, TLC, Disney Channel, Every advertisement ever, and Pornhub. . .

 

[R_thanatos]

Then again, back during the SNES days most people in the West would be blissfully unaware of anything being edited.

Being unaware of something is kinda different.
Times have changed and attitudes should have changed as well

 

[dity]

Yeah that's the entire point all right. It's the only reason anyone watches anime or plays "anime games"

Calm down buster. Even I could sense that was a joke post.

 

[Aaron D.]

The fact that you equate your opinion to reality proves that you're not worth arguing with.

Are you suggesting that SJW isn't a slanderous identity term?

Reality indeed.

 

[Peyotl]

This is just ridiculous.

Its just a little change within a entertainment product in hope to gain a broader audience. It has nothing to do with censorship or compromising "artistic integrity" (I mean its a game for the otaku market).

On a side note: sexism and god-awful representation of women (especially young girls) in Japanese media is not "part of Japanese culture". Its a problem within Japanese society, and many Japanese people also perceive it as such.

 

[Sheriff_Battlesnake]

"All foreigners play are games where you slaughter people indifferently. So they got a lot of nerve to speak up about small things like this in other countries' games"

Hard to argue with that. It's fine if her butt is covered up with blood, though.

Idk. Tried that with Quiet in that blood bath teaser image. No one was pleased.

 

[Palculator]

Idk. Tried that with Quiet in that blood bath teaser image. No one was pleased.

 

[Mechanized]

Fear of Western Criticism regarding her panties, but not her fucking herp a derp dipshit face?

 

[Azuran]

The panties on the "censored" versions are hotter. What a complete backfire.

Put your imagination to use like I do guys.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

I wouldn't be upset at all. If this was how it was to begin with, I'd still be hyped for the game. And if the game changed because the developers thought that changing this would make the game better (and not because of the complaint or fear of complaint from others), I still wouldn't mind. After all, games change during development all the time. Its the reason for changes that interests me. I just won't buy any games where I hear of it about it is all.
I'm not going to out a game based on conjecture; that would be unfair.

Did you watch and like Deadpool? Because that movie happened out of sheer outside pressure. Same which killed the first DP from Xmen Origins. Is that censorship?

SO5 creator made a choice. No one obligated him to do it. It's by definition not censorship. If you don't wanna buy it just because he changed the undergarment you'd barely ever see then it's your loss and you come across as very petty.

 

[Mesoian]

Seems fishy that games like Senran Kagura can come over to the U.S. unscathed, but they felt the need to make this particular change to avoid controversy? No one would have cared about this had the devs not made it an issue themselves.

Senran Kagura knows what it's doing and markets itself to people who want that sort of thing.

SO5 is marketed for everyone, they want it to be a big universally liked and respected release and they want it to make a lot of money, which means they can't fall back on fanservicy gimmicks (even though they still seem to be).

 

[injurai]

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[Alex_Mexico]

I dont think its the sex and nudity as much as sexualizing kids or people who look like kids.
A good example of a sexualized character that (i believe western culture approved of) was Catherine.

Agreed. I could use more anime games with depictions of mature looking adults front and center, not just as secondary or background characters.

I cringe everytime I see a 16-19 year old main character in an anime game. I've grown really tired of that trope.

 

[Volphied]

Fear of Western Criticism regarding her panties, but not her fucking herp a derp dipshit face?

That's because the people that look up the type of panties worn to ogle them never bother to look higher.

 

[CrispyBoar]

Those are some hate filled comments. I can't agree more with this one though.. It's fucking sad that our jacked up western censorship values are now permeating even Japanese releases. It's already bad enough that westerners get Japanese releases with heavy censorship and cut content. Don't ruin it for the Japanese too. This sets a horrible presidence.

Amen.

I dont think its the sex and nudity as much as sexualizing kids or people who look like kids.
A good example of a sexualized character that (i believe western culture approved of) was Catherine.

Well, they're going to have to deal with it. Whatever they like it or not, most Japanese games like that are intended for their main audience (Asians), not for the westerners. We take what's given to us.

If the west doesn't like it, then they should go & make their own games very similar to the ones that Japanese 3rd party publishers are bringing out with their own characters.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

That game has been getting terrible reviews in japan too.. You don't have to be a westerner to find it shit.

I rarely visit Deatructoid but is it standard procedure over there the unironical use of the term "SJW" in their site? I mean wtf... how could that article ever be approved for release? Christ.

 

[Palculator]

I rarely visit Deatructoid but is it standard procedure over there the unironical use of the term "SJW" in their site? I mean wtf... how could that article ever be approved for release? Christ.

That article is sarcasm. At least I don't think anyone would cite Amazon reviews sincerely.

 

[Vincent Grayson]

That's exactly what I said earlier.

Japanese 3rd party publishers should just ignore the ridiculous critism from the west altogether & do what they want. It's their games.

Here's the thing: they are. It's just that the criticism they're ignoring is yours.

 

[dramatis]

I was.
I find it strange that people assume that a characters panties are important to me or something like that when I complain and/or choose to not buy games due to changes like this. Its not that I think someone's panties are important or even clothing in general are important. I've done this for many games in the past (FE Fates/Awakening, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Fatal Frame 5, Bravely Default) as well that I was interested or even excited for. Its actually that I'm incredibly disappointed that I won't be buying these games (and now Star Ocean 5). It sucks, because I really want to play it. But I cannot bring myself to support any game that gets content cut or edited from it either post-release or out of fear of how people would react. I feel as if its harmful to the game industry as a whole, and is more about the principle of the thing to me than really the content itself. Its almost never really about the content itself.

Why is it that we protest against people, companies, organizations for discriminatory views or actions, that is just, but when we criticize the inclusion of sexist material that rewards sexist behavior, it is censorship and harmful?

The product is commercial, its aim is to be greatly profitable. To do that the product has to appeal to the widest audience possible, and the inclusion of panty peeking and male-oriented female character designs are not appealing to the female audience and may also be off-putting to some of the male audience. If the developers, the product makers, adjust the product to reconcile with the market, how is that censorship? Even mainstream Japan is not buying this material, primarily because the developers and publishers have turned their focus onto squeezing the smaller subset of audience that likes these things. By no means is the material being censored for "the Japanese", because only the otaku audience wants it! The market speaks.

I feel the exact opposite of you: that recognizing the problems with these small things being available in the first place is what hinders the ability of many of these otaku-oriented products from reaching wider success. The game industry can only grow with less of such excess weighing it down.

In context of the game, not having bigger panties or even not having the ability to check upskirt does not compromise the artistic value of the product. So what censorship is there?

 

[Soriku]

I grow weary of the games I'm interested in getting edited or censored in ways due to those uncomfortable with such content in the West.

Star Ocean 5 is another game added to the list of games I'm not buying I guess.

Why are you so shallow? Gaijin are impossible.

 

[Alcotholic]

Well, they're going to have to deal with it. Whatever they like it or not, most Japanese games like that are intended for their main audience (Asians), not for the westerners. We take what's given to us.

If the west doesn't like it, then they should go & make their own games very similar to the ones that Japanese 3rd party publishers are bringing out with their own characters.

But they want to appeal to the broadest audience. Think of it this way: would you want to appeal to 300,000 people or to 1,000,000 people?
In the grand scheme of things, if they didnt make the change, its possible no one would have noticed, but if they did make the change and didnt say anything, no one would have noticed. Although they could have gotten criticism if they kept her underwear skimpy and they just wanted to avoid that.

 

[Volphied]

I rarely visit Deatructoid but is it standard procedure over there the unironical use of the term "SJW" in their site? I mean wtf... how could that article ever be approved for release? Christ.

That was done as a response to all the angry comments accusing them of being "SJWs" for not liking DOAX3.

Blame the video game community for unironically using this term.

 

[HGH]

That article is sarcasm. At least I don't think anyone would cite Amazon reviews sincerely.

No, that part was pretty damn sincere considering people still try to spring them up as undeniable evidence that they totally owned those lamers.

 

[Jiraiza]

Yeah that's the entire point all right. It's the only reason anyone watches anime or plays "anime games"

You're not convincing me, Mio. Ha ha.

 

[Alex_Mexico]

Amen.



Well, they're going to have to deal with it. Whatever they like it or not, most Japanese games like that are intended for their main audience (Asians), not for the westerners. We take what's given to us.

If the west doesn't like it, then they should go & make their own games very similar to the ones that Japanese 3rd party publishers are bringing out with their own characters.

Well get used to Japanese catering more to westerners seeing how there's only six PlayStation 4 users in Japan that still buy games while the west can't get enough of it.

This thread is going in circles but to summarize: no one forced them to change it. I never saw anyone even pointing out the panties (positive or negative) before this happened. They chose to do it themselves. It's not censorship but do you know what could be? The fan whining over Mass Effect 3's ending. They pushed the developer to a wall and demanded a change after the fact. How's that for messing with an original vision?

 

[Volphied]

Why are you so shallow? Gaijin are impossible.

That's what you get for consorting with them.