PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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PLASTICA-MAN
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OP, will Sony release another PS VR version with 4K display and better quality in the aspects?
Psychological Intellect
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damn son
Yes, I would double dip, just as I did for DS2/PS3 to DS2-SOTFS/PS4.
Me_Marcadet
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You're assuming that telltale or indies will spend lot of money in order to target the high end spec of the ps4k with his tiny userbase, instead of just targeting the ps4? That doesn't make any sense.
And as far as I know every telltale games and lot of indies are already being released on pc. Do you blame the pc version when their games doesn't run well on ps4?
The way I see this, the 4.5 guarantees you get the best out of the 4, even faster.
I really hate this. And yet, because of the UHD blu-ray player, I'd probably buy this. Fuck me. I have a 4K TV, I'm a blu-ray collector, and I'm a gamer. It'll probably be my last console from Sony or anyone but goddamnit, I will probably end up buying this like a chump. PC 4 lyfe after that though. Ugh.
Pagusas
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...I hope your joking. Why not just wait for the game to come out THEN buy the system?
PeterLegend
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If Microsoft does the same thing I can see Sony not getting too much backlash.
If the tentative date is Q1 2017, most likely the real date is holiday 2017. Of course MS is the wild card here and I wouldn't be surprised if their plan is fall 2016. Sony does have a habit of being reactionary and leaky for awhile now (psvr anyone). Its possible they are a year behind MS in new hardware and they know it, hence these "leaks" are out there intentionally to downplay MS hardware, to create a sense of "Well I'm already getting PS4K anyway, I know it exists so meh".
In this scenario Sony is rushing to market, hence the Q1 date. The beauty is, Sony has such a lead that you really cant tell if they are behind or ahead. I'm guessing Oculus and MS have a plan for holiday Xbone+ and Sony is reacting with legit leaked "rumors" and indeed are rushing to compete.
Or, If MS is really that far behind, they have an insane uphill battle with Sony. If they dont have an answer for PSVR and PS4K, they are done. Which leads me to believe the former, that MS has jumped the gun on XBO and Sony is playing damage control before anything official has been announced by either party.
timmyp53
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Big Shirtless Ron
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Why wouldn't they? And correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a hypothetical game optimized for the ps4k benefit the og ps4 due to them sharing the same architecture? Granted, the performance would be worse than the hypothetical 4k version, but within the og ps4 standard. I mean, the OP only mentions a 2x increase (whatever that entails), so we won't be seeing a ps4 > ps3 x-gen type of situation.
casual_gamer
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I think MS goes all digital. It's not like they have a presence outside of the US/UK anyway 
Microsoft too
Now Sony just need its own Adam Orth
facetheslayer92
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Well, I'm buying a rig. Sony can suck on my five footer.
So here's what I don't understand (and sorry if I make anyone angry in advance):
Wii U was released in 2012.
NX is supposed to be released this year (if what people are saying/thinking is true).
That is a 4 year gap between consoles (this being a full fledged generation for Nintendo)
PS4 was released in 2013
PS4K (or whatever it is going to be called) supposedly will be released Q1 2017.
That is close to 3.5 years depending on what month it is released.
I don't see the big deal and if it is a big deal why aren't more people getting pissed at Nintendo as well (maybe they are, but I haven't seen it. Also Wii U had little to no third party support so I guess it makes sense if this is what it takes to get third party back).
My point is are we really making a big deal over half a year compared to the Wii U life span and this being just an upgrade, not a new gen? Were people this upset over the new 3ds (I personally don't know, have a vita.
)?
I will buy it day one if these upgrades are legit.
Wii U was released in 2012.
NX is supposed to be released this year (if what people are saying/thinking is true).
That is a 4 year gap between consoles (this being a full fledged generation for Nintendo)
PS4 was released in 2013
PS4K (or whatever it is going to be called) supposedly will be released Q1 2017.
That is close to 3.5 years depending on what month it is released.
I don't see the big deal and if it is a big deal why aren't more people getting pissed at Nintendo as well (maybe they are, but I haven't seen it. Also Wii U had little to no third party support so I guess it makes sense if this is what it takes to get third party back).
My point is are we really making a big deal over half a year compared to the Wii U life span and this being just an upgrade, not a new gen? Were people this upset over the new 3ds (I personally don't know, have a vita.
)?I will buy it day one if these upgrades are legit.
Spyder_Monkey
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Moore's Law
CMojicaAce
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Tbh I wouldn't be surprised of this is the first and last time this happens. I feel like this is being released because the ps4 isn't powerful enough to support VR effectively.
While I don't mind upgrading for a more power ps4, I hope it doesn't become the norm. Consoles should be powerful enough to last the entire generation.
While I don't mind upgrading for a more power ps4, I hope it doesn't become the norm. Consoles should be powerful enough to last the entire generation.
Hexa
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If it launches Q1 2017 then Wii U -> NX will have been about half a year longer than PS4->PS4k. The difference however is that PS4 will likely keep getting games while I doubt Wii U will have much coming to it after NX.
SneakersSO
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MS were the only ones who have actually come out and said this was something they were gonna do. Everything we've gotten from Sony's end has been well-sourced leaks.
PLASTICA-MAN
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PuppetMaster
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And if each iteration is only $399, thats only $1600 for 12 years of gaming hardware. Or $133 per year.
Still vastly better value than PC gaming.
SneakersSO
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Yes. Every game will be a PS4 game. The ones that are running on a regular PS4 will have worse technical performance & settings. PS4K will have better performance & graphical fidelity. It would be a brand new generation otherwise.
its basically goku going from ssj1 to ssj2, different power but same goku
Wait, really? Then the PS4.5 is totally the PS5.
David Ricardo
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Well, if the console is 400 and the PSVR 500, they could sell it altogether for around 800 with a small loss. No way they can sell that for 600. They can't even sell a regular PS4 + PSVR for such a low amount. They would be losing 100+ dolllars per console sold.
I was referring to how do you explain the situation to consumers? PS4 is 300$, PS4k is 400-500$, PSVR is 400-500$. How do you explain to people that you are releasing PS4k so soon because it makes VR much better and you think VR is going to be the shit?
KratosEnergyDrink
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The market for every new console is tiny at first. But developers quickly dropped PS3 & X360 support in favour of the new consoles. The late ports for these systems has been graphical/technical worse than previous entries in most game series. One reason: Early adaptors of new consoles are the ones who spend much money on games.
If PS5(PS4k) is a sales success the situation for PS4 owners is even worse. Same could be said about the new XOne. If PS5 sales are bad it will leave the industry in a weird transition state.
Either way the reasoning behind these move is not clear. People who bought PSVR will pissed if most newer games need the PS5. People who recently bought a PS4 will be pissed. People who bought a PS4 at launch will be pissed, because they expected to play games the best way possible on a console for many years.
Perhaps it was a mixture of different things that made the PS5 happen this early: Fear of the new XOne, fear of NX, push for 4k TVs and VR.
The only good I can see come out of this: Pissed PS4 users will buy not the PS5 but the NX or even the XOne. "Good" not because of N-Fanboyism but it would be good if all three console manufacturers stay healthy.
PS4k games are just PS4 games. That's why the panic in here is odd.
TLOU2 4K Canada.....$90?
Jacksinthe
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I'm laughing my ass off at that pic. What a response.
UHD disc drives read BluRays too. The games will still be BluRays (I think). I can't see them selling 2 different discs per game.
SmokedMeat
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I think it has to do more with their VR device than 4K. This new system will probably run their VR games at a more acceptable level, while the PS4 is absolutely bare minimum.
If they didn't have this VR device I'm willing to bet this wouldn't be happening.
LostDonkey
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Except for the game prices and the yearly online fees. And the 4k TV. And re buying peripherals that won't work on the next model.
Same here.
Me too! Love me some souls. : )
timmyp53
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chromatic9
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Very good question.
Twice the spec means around 280X
Twice the performance of the PS4 GPU means more like a Radeon 290/390 or GTX 970.
When comparing the same family of GPU AMD GCN, twice the spec (which some are posting here) doesn't equate to twice the game performance. 280X is about 70% more. 290/390 GTX 970 gives you a clear 100% more.
Just to say again from last week. Nvidia already have a GPU running at 150W from 2014 called the 970, which can do 4k 30fps at console settings and better than console settings in games like Shadow of Mordor, COD AW, Ryse and so on. At worst you can do very decent settings at 2880x1620 or 3200x1800. Nvidia should be able to get the perf per watt down to around a 100W. If AMD has caught up they can do this at around 150w all in if they go a bit low on the CPU like before but still improve upon the Jaguar notebook spec with their newer stuff which should be enough this time.
This also tie's in with Sony maybe opting for a better CPU and bump up the cost, it may mean much higher watt CPU, maybe a separate unit.
Also I'd assume this is new Radeon tech so comparing old radeon GCN tflops might not work with the new Radeon tech like some are doing in this thread. You can't really compare tfops between NVidia and AMD and you can't really compare tfops with different architecture from the same company either. AMD could easily release something with less than 4.8 tflops but be much more.
Muskieratboi
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Well, it worked for Nintendo!